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    Through the Ages

    Hello all,

    Firstly, I wanted to applaud your Church for having the courage to bring your message in front of God and all. If that isn't a testament to the strength of God's Will, then I don't know what is.

    If it's OK, I would like to pose a few questions. My mission leads me to listen to all of God's creations. I would like to very much hear what you all have to say.


    Is man without fault? I believe that all of us can agree that men are not without fault. All you have to do is look at the sins being committed throughout the world by the majority of the world.

    I also believe that we can all agree that King James Bible is the literal Word of God. But my question is more about man than God.

    We can probably agree that the King James Bible was based off Textus Receptus. But since the Bible doesn't say that the pagan German Catholic author of the Textus Receptus was under God's command, we have to assume that he wasn't. How do we know that he wasn't tempted by the devil?

    Also, how can we be sure that a sinner or devil worshiper didn't change a word or phrase of scripture during the thousands of years between the death of our Lord, Jesus Christ, and the King James Bible?
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    Re: Through the Ages

    Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
    We can probably agree that the King James Bible was based off Textus Receptus. But since the Bible doesn't say that the pagan German Catholic author of the Textus Receptus was under God's command, we have to assume that he wasn't. How do we know that he wasn't tempted by the devil?

    Also, how can we be sure that a sinner or devil worshiper didn't change a word or phrase of scripture during the thousands of years between the death of our Lord, Jesus Christ, and the King James Bible?

    How can we be sure? No, it doesn't work that way. The burden of proof is in your court. Show specific places where Erasmus himself did change the wording and cite your sources.
    Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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    • #3
      Re: Through the Ages

      P.S. I know what your moniker means and I'm watching you.
      Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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        I am just posing a question, I am not saying he did change anything without God's approval.

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          Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
          I am just posing a question, I am not saying he did change anything without God's approval.
          And I am answering your question with a question. What was changed by Erasmus? Cite your sources.
          Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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            Nevermind, I thought you could answer my question with an answer.

            I won't bother you guys again.

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              Re: Through the Ages

              Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
              Nevermind, I thought you could answer my question with an answer.

              I won't bother you guys again.
              Fine, but you are the one making extraordinary claims there, snooky.

              Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
              We can probably agree that the King James Bible was based off Textus Receptus. But since the Bible doesn't say that the pagan German Catholic author of the Textus Receptus was under God's command, we have to assume that he wasn't. How do we know that he wasn't tempted by the devil?
              Link to where he was pagan? Link to what he mistranslated. Hit me with the fact that God prevented him from doing it. Come on, MVP, give us the payoff here.
              Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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                Re: Through the Ages

                But either way, I'll answer your question to my question.

                The answer is that we can neither prove or disprove that either Erasmus or any other man wrote their scriptures in accordance to God, the Devil, or their own free-will. Since it's not written in the King James Bible that God instructed them we can not say for certain that it was written by any of them.

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                  Re: Through the Ages

                  Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
                  But either way, I'll answer your question to my question.

                  The answer is that we can neither prove or disprove that either Erasmus or any other man wrote their scriptures in accordance to God, the Devil, or their own free-will. Since it's not written in the King James Bible that God instructed them we can not say for certain that it was written by any of them.
                  Yes, but we can go back through the same manuscripts Erasmus used and objectively say it is a true translation. We can look through the multitude of Greek manuscripts and they only vary around 5% in extreme cases.
                  Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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                    So, 5% of what is in the Bible is NOT the Word of God?

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                      Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
                      So, 5% of what is in the Bible is NOT the Word of God?
                      No, it merely disagrees slightly 5% of the time in the tense or punctuation. There are only a few cases where the entire meaning is changed between Greek manuscripts.

                      It's hardly worth talking about, but you seem interested. Search for the Johannine Comma.
                      Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Through the Ages

                        While I agree that most of the time, the message has stayed relatively the same throughout the ages, I just wanted to point out that those little differences are the work of man and not God.

                        In other words, the King James Bible includes not just the Word of God, but also the mistakes of man.

                        Either way, I can tell you are intelligent enough to make up your own mind, and I certainly don't want to change your opinions. I just wanted to see what you thought. Thanks!

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                          Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
                          While I agree that most of the time, the message has stayed relatively the same throughout the ages, I just wanted to point out that those little differences are the work of man and not God.
                          95% is not "relatively". The differences that exist are rather small, with a few notable exceptions.

                          Originally posted by Smooshsmoosh View Post
                          In other words, the King James Bible includes not just the Word of God, but also the mistakes of man.
                          Wait, you are claiming the Bible is not infallible?
                          Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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                            Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
                            Wait, you are claiming the Bible is not infallible?
                            Maybe they're referring to the various printings of the KJV before the 1769 standardization of the text?

                            In any case those differences were rather minor too, and mostly had to do with spelling and grammar. Though there were a couple of notable exceptions in that case too, such as the Wicked Bible...
                            "Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him." Matthew 21:31-32

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                              Re: Through the Ages

                              All I'm trying to say is that even if there is 1 difference between the Bible and the Word of God, then the Bible is not 100% the Word of God.

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