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Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Show me where in the bible the word "Hell" is written. If u fail to prove it has ever been said, the god u believe in is not the same as mine.

Isaiah 5:14
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Need more?

[Alexchris2]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I dont even know why people even bother to contradict to this stupid apes who believe the sun is so small. I dont think there are more than 4.000 people in the whole world who really belive that. And if so, with the right education the truth its pretty obvious. Its the world of millions, who have spent their lives studying the universe and proven certain things against the word of a tiny bunch of stupid people who havent got a freaking life

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I dont even know why people even bother to contradict to this stupid apes who believe the sun is so small. I dont think there are more than 4.000 people in the whole world who really belive that. And if so, with the right education the truth its pretty obvious. Its the world of millions, who have spent their lives studying the universe and proven certain things against the word of a tiny bunch of stupid people who havent got a freaking life

If I asked you to look at something 100 yards away you would say no problem. Half a mile away you would still be ok. 5 miles away you would have to concentrate but maybe ok. A thousand miles away, no chance. But you seriously believe you can see something 93 million miles away! Please engage your brain.

[AlexChris3]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

If I asked you to look at something 100 yards away you would say no problem. Half a mile away you would still be ok. 5 miles away you would have to concentrate but maybe ok. A thousand miles away, no chance. But you seriously believe you can see something 93 million miles away! Please engage your brain.

Are you freaking retarded? Get some proper education and then come back here. If the sun was soo close to earth life in ti wouldnt exist freak!
Just imagine yourself in a massive room with absolute darkness, and there is an incredibly bright object miles ago, you would still see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1mGWhLwu64

Come on people get some freaking dance, as you cant get some freaking education!

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Are you freaking retarded? Get some proper education and then come back here. If the sun was soo close to earth life in ti wouldnt exist freak!
Just imagine yourself in a massive room with absolute darkness, and there is an incredibly bright object miles ago, you would still see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1mGWhLwu64

Come on people get some freaking dance, as you cant get some freaking education!

Isn't it amazing how angry people get when they suspect they are wrong? The furthest human eyes can see is probably about 600 miles or so. That is why we can see the stars, moon and Sun because they are within that distance. I live in England, if I stand on a hill can I see Sydney Opera House, NO, and why? because it is too far away!! Can you see it from where you live? I can't even see the Great Wall of China and NASA say it's the only thing that you can see from anywhere on Earth. (another 'scientific' lie).

Jack

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Are you freaking retarded? Get some proper education and then come back here. If the sun was soo close to earth life in ti wouldnt exist freak!
Just imagine yourself in a massive room with absolute darkness, and there is an incredibly bright object miles ago, you would still see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1mGWhLwu64

Come on people get some freaking dance, as you cant get some freaking education!

Typical closed minded person.

Have you ever had a camp fire? Were you able to get closer than 93 million miles? If you got closer, did you cease to exist?

[The Sorcerer]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

A scientist in 1899 claimed the diameter is only 32 miles, some of his points made are very interesting.

''The sun is always somewhere between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, a distance admitted to be less than 3,000 miles; how then can the sun if it be so many thousand miles in diameter, squeece itself into a space of about 3,000 miles only...can a camel ride on a mouse, or a whale rush down the throat of a herring?

What is the diameter of the sun?

32 miles. If the navigator neglects to apply the sun's semi-diameter to his observation at sea, he is 16 nautical miles (nearly) in calculating the position his ship is in. A minute of arc on the sextant represents a nautical mile, and if the semi-diameter be 16 miles, the diameter is of course 32 miles. And as measured by the sextant, the sun's diameter is 32 minutes of arc, that is 32 nautical miles in diameter. If ever dispoof is attempted, it will be a literary curiosity, well worth framing.''

On a spherical world, we can only see the sun from certain parts of it, allowing that the planet tilts 23 degrees and rotates, so we have the two "Tropics" you mention. For the sun to be just 32 miles in diameter, it would have to be very close to the Earth.

From different parts of Earth's orbit ie: one side of the sun and then the other, we can see different stars with telescopic accuracy showing we have moved a great distance. That is how we get the measurement, a parsec, and how we worek out a distance of 186 million miles in diameter as our orbit.

Back around the same time, it was worked out that if the sun were made of coal, it would burn itself out in less than five years, so what do you think the sun is made of, remembering that by using a spectroscope attached to a telescope, we can know what it is made of and how it works.

We can see that like the Moon going through phases, so know Mercury and Venus which goes through the same phases are closer to the Sun than we are. Knowing the speed of light and radar waves, bouncing radar waves off of them in 1966 and 1967, we not only found the "Shapiro delay" to be true, but also their distances, which even on our side of the Sun and close to us can be over 30 million miles for Venus and over 65 million miles for Mercury, and the Sun is beyond them so well over 65 million miles away.

We have sent probes to near the Sun so we know it is 93 million miles away, on average, and 864,000 miles in diameter. The Sun rotates, so we can get a redshift and blueshift in it's spectra, which tells us how fast it is rotating, so it's size.

If the Sun were just 32 miles in diameter, it would be a tiny speck in the sky and we would all have frozen to death long ago.

[The Sorcerer]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

The sun is barely 500 miles frm sea level, and exists in the oceans about the sky. There are no indian midgets in the sky.

The waters in the heavens in the bible comes from the fact that Genesis was heavily based on the Egyptian creation story, with the Jews working in Egypt in the lean years back home (they were never slaves) so they knew their stories and their myths.

The Egyptians said that a mountain rose out of the river Nile. The mountain was called a firmament. It not only means heavens, etc. So there were waters above and below the firmament. From this mountain came the first god, Atun, who was both male and female. This explains some of the strange stuff from Genesis 1 and 2.

The ancients thought there was a river in the sky. Get out in the country away from city lights and on a dark night, you can just see the Milky Way, which is a side on view of our Galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars. It looks like a silvery stream.

Do you believe that the Sun orbits our planet? You could try and explain the planet Mercury's retrograde orbit where it appears to move in the opposite direction to the other planets for a time, where actually we see it on the other side of the Sun.

Since we know the Moon makes waves in our seas on Earth, why does the nearby Sun not do the same?

[The Sorcerer]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I asked how you know the distance to the sun. You are claiming it's not an estimate but that you know the precise figure. So have you traveled to the sun and back? My point was to clarify the distinction between fact and estimates (guesses).
I'm open minded and read different theories. Unless you go up into space yourself there is no way of proving the exact size of the sun or location of celestial objects. It appears you base all your faith in what NASA etc tell you without ever questioning anything. I thought atheists were meant to be 'skeptics'?

Hold you fist at arm's length and stick up your thumb. First look at it and behind it with your left eye then your right eye. It appears to have moved, just by the view from the distance between each eye. This is called parallax.

Planets and the Sun were observed from different places on the Earth at the same time and using those known distances between the observers, we could see how much the planets and Sun appeared to have moved.

Cassini did this back in 1672 and found Mars did not come within 35 million miles of us and that Saturn was 900 million miles away, though it is big enough to see with the naked eye.

[Didymus Much]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

...Since we know the Moon makes waves in our seas on Earth...

The moon makes tides, not waves. Different thing.

...why does the nearby Sun not do the same?

It does affect the tides, just to a lesser degree than the moon. re

Please go learn what you're trying (and failing) to teach others about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide

[Elmer G. White]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Hold you fist at arm's length and stick up your thumb. First look at it and behind it with your left eye then your right eye. It appears to have moved, just by the view from the distance between each eye. This is called parallax.

Planets and the Sun were observed from different places on the Earth at the same time and using those known distances between the observers, we could see how much the planets and Sun appeared to have moved.

Cassini did this back in 1672 and found Mars did not come within 35 million miles of us and that Saturn was 900 million miles away, though it is big enough to see with the naked eye.

Miss Sorcerer,

All you have presented above is based on blind faith. This is in contrast to the Bible which is not Blind Faith but it has been thoroughly proven as explained in the verse below:

Psalms 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Your claims are based on personal observations by your senses and measurements conducted by telescopes and probes. Why do you trust these data? Our senses are fallible, our cognitive abilities are degenerated because of the Fall (Genesis 3:6). You must believe these unreliable instruments to have blind faith in your twisted vision of the Universe.

• You must trust that the photons carrying the messages have not been designed to fool you.
• You must trust that these arcane instruments measure objective reality.
• You must have Faith in the atheist scholars who report these data that they do not aim to fool you.

They do! They are corrupted!

Psalms 53:1
(To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

You must also trust that the Truth™ can be discerned by observation. It cannot. The atheists agree. The string theory states that there are up to 10 extra dimensions that are too small for us to observe. This is proof that the secular physics can never unravel the Truth™. Things are volatile and fuzzy: we cannot know the outcome of physical phenomena. Chaos. What can we find in these extra dimensions.

God in His Trinity. For a brief interval one of the Three that is One that is Jesus Christ was projected onto the three-dimensional Earth with the Firmament (Genesis 1:6). He told us the Truth™ (John 14:11). Because we failed Him from the very beginning (Genesis 3:6), He fools us all the time.

Jeremiah 20:7
O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

Your senses have been deceived, your observations are faulty. Only is Jesus can we find the Truth. This is expressed in the Bible.

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[The Sorcerer]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Miss Sorcerer,

All you have presented above is based on blind faith. This is in contrast to the Bible which is not Blind Faith but it has been thoroughly proven as explained in the verse below:


Elmer

I could not see how to send a reply to your private message.

If science is blind faith and you have the facts of the bible to support you, why will you not debate? Why have I got a warning message for merely quoting astronomy that can factually be proved true. If it is not true, you can use the truth in the bible to prove me wrong.

Or is this just a place where people make sermons on what they THINK is true and no one is allowed to contradict them?

[The Sorcerer]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Miss Sorcerer,

All you have presented above is based on blind faith.

Elmer

I have spent decades studying astronomy and cosmology. What are your qualifications to just tell me I am wrong? Denial as you use is not a form of argument. Neither is a total lack of any knowledge of science.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I have spent decades studying astronomy and cosmology. What are your qualifications to just tell me I am wrong? Denial as you use is not a form of argument. Neither is a total lack of any knowledge of science.

Dear Sorcerer,

You can claim any degree or education on the Interwebs, but you would be surprised to learn that many people claim false credentials online. I know this might come as a surprise to you!

Thus, to avoid fallacies, we should consider the actual content of a text and not the person writing it. Regarding your post above, you failed miserably to do so.

1. By concentrating on my credentials, of which you are also ignorant, you commit the ad hominem or an appeal to person (green in your post). You do not assess the Scripture, only my personality or you ignorance of it.

2. You also commit an appeal to authority by boasting your education (red).

A good education in science includes some basic concepts of the philosophy of science. One part of this is how to avoid these fallacies, of which this direct ad hominem is the most rude and primitive (let's see if you also try out with the indirect one).

I must agree with Jesus regarding your reply:

1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:


Your in Christ,

Elmer

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

The waters in the heavens in the bible comes from the fact that Genesis was heavily based on the Egyptian creation story, with the Jews working in Egypt in the lean years back home (they were never slaves) so they knew their stories and their myths.

The Egyptians said that a mountain rose out of the river Nile. The mountain was called a firmament. It not only means heavens, etc. So there were waters above and below the firmament. From this mountain came the first god, Atun, who was both male and female. This explains some of the strange stuff from Genesis 1 and 2.

The ancients thought there was a river in the sky. Get out in the country away from city lights and on a dark night, you can just see the Milky Way, which is a side on view of our Galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars. It looks like a silvery stream.

Do you believe that the Sun orbits our planet? You could try and explain the planet Mercury's retrograde orbit where it appears to move in the opposite direction to the other planets for a time, where actually we see it on the other side of the Sun.

Since we know the Moon makes waves in our seas on Earth, why does the nearby Sun not do the same?

Friend, you spout a lot of nonsense and not speck backed up by God in Creation.
Tell me, do you ever venture out of your cave during the day to the oceans edge? There are waves during the day, massive ones.