[Tzieth]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Hello friend!

Please make your way to the Introduction Forum and tell us all about yourself...we want to get to know you!



Yours in Christ (NOT ARCHIMEDES),

Z. Smyth

Thanks Zechariah

Oh by the way, I got your PM.. When I said "Newton" I was not talking about Isaac Newton lol. I meant Newton as in the guy who I was agreeing with.. The poster lol (No time travel here )

[Tzieth]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Welcome to our forum, Tzieth! The Bible warns us to avoid all pseudo-science, so that's why we stick with Creation science and Flood geology.

1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Please start a thread of your own in the introduction forum and tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

Oh don't get me wrong.. I agree with you on that. What I am saying is that we as Christians must know what is going on in the scientific community in order to combat it.

Here is a likely scenario: You got to witness to a non-believer (not an atheist, just a normal agnostic/undecided.) You begin to tell him about Gods word and he stops you with "Wait a minute.. Evolution was proven in a scientific lab!" (He already has atheistic views implanted into his head due to the educational system.) How do you combat this?

First you must know exactly how this was spun on him. Evolution was indeed proven in a lab and Darwinist championed this with a big "I told you so!!!!"

What took place, was an experiment with fruit-flies. They sped up the life-cycle to watch them evolve and evolve they did to several different variants until they ultimately went sterile and died out. But in the end, they were still "Fruit-flies".

This only proved Micro evolution. One species can become another species within it's own genus. This does not take millions of years as Macro Evolution is said to work. (Macro is one genus becoming another such as Apes becoming Human and it has NEVER been proven and never will be proven as it does not exist.)

We see Micro all the time. Domesticated Wolves became dogs. Modern Razorbacks came from domesticated European pigs. They are now two distinct species, but still pigs. Atheists are using the fruit-fly experiment and spinning it as proof of Macro evolution when it's not.

If you try to witness to a person educated by modern education, he is going to take what you have to say as "Mumbo-Jumbo". If you are able to use the same science to explain to him that Darwinism is the true Mumbo-Jumbo and show him what is an obvious lie, then he will be more susceptible to listen to what you have to say.

A of now, we don't have enough true Christian Scientists out there to challenge the blatant deception.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

*** typical post confusing science and technology ***

Hello friend!

Please make your way to the Introduction Forum and tell us all about yourself...we want to get to know you!



Yours in Christ (NOT ARCHIMEDES),

Z. Smyth

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Newton, I agree with you.

You guys are targeting the wrong science! Radio Carbon Dating is proven. However, it does have it's flaws. Newton Spoke of Hiroshima and Chernobyl. In these places radio carbonating will tell you it happened thousands of years ago. Both Cosmic and solar radiation will also throw it off.

Macro Evolution is what you should be challenging as it is the biggest threat to Christianity.

Christians no longer have the luxury of being ignorant of what goes on in the "scientific community" anymore. You HAVE to understand modern science so that you can keep it honest. Right now Evolution is not only being taught as a "Proven fact" but it is the foundation of several other sciences including, Biology, Anthropology, Paleontology, and now Genetics.

They are able to do this because "The Bible says this or that" is not going to sway non-believers and Newton was not exaggerating when he said Atheists were a huge majority. They are influencing our youth on a scale never before seen since the dawn of Christianity and they are doing it effortlessly by using public education and it gets even worse on the university level where they not only try to brainwash you with evolution, but also socialism. (If we ever become a socialist country, kiss your freedom to worship Christ goodbye.)

Science is no more evil than a firearm or sword. It depends on who is wielding it. Without it, none of you would be writing on this forum. God gave the beasts of the earth and the creatures of the sea certain adaptations to survive in their environments. God gave us no fur, nor scales, nor wings or for that matter anything physical to survive. Just the intellect to problem-solve and fend for ourselves.. This is science.

ALL of the pseudo-facts written by the thread opener would quickly be picked apart by a non-atheist non-believer and thus there goes any chance of winning that non-believer to Christ. Instead another future atheist is born.

Welcome to our forum, Tzieth! The Bible warns us to avoid all pseudo-science, so that's why we stick with Creation science and Flood geology.

1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Please start a thread of your own in the introduction forum and tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

[Tzieth]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Newton, I agree with you.

You guys are targeting the wrong science! Radio Carbon Dating is proven. However, it does have it's flaws. Newton Spoke of Hiroshima and Chernobyl. In these places radio carbonating will tell you it happened thousands of years ago. Both Cosmic and solar radiation will also throw it off.

Macro Evolution is what you should be challenging as it is the biggest threat to Christianity.

Christians no longer have the luxury of being ignorant of what goes on in the "scientific community" anymore. You HAVE to understand modern science so that you can keep it honest. Right now Evolution is not only being taught as a "Proven fact" but it is the foundation of several other sciences including, Biology, Anthropology, Paleontology, and now Genetics.

They are able to do this because "The Bible says this or that" is not going to sway non-believers and Newton was not exaggerating when he said Atheists were a huge majority. They are influencing our youth on a scale never before seen since the dawn of Christianity and they are doing it effortlessly by using public education and it gets even worse on the university level where they not only try to brainwash you with evolution, but also socialism. (If we ever become a socialist country, kiss your freedom to worship Christ goodbye.)

Science is no more evil than a firearm or sword. It depends on who is wielding it. Without it, none of you would be writing on this forum. God gave the beasts of the earth and the creatures of the sea certain adaptations to survive in their environments. God gave us no fur, nor scales, nor wings or for that matter anything physical to survive. Just the intellect to problem-solve and fend for ourselves.. This is science.

ALL of the pseudo-facts written by the thread opener would quickly be picked apart by a non-atheist non-believer and thus there goes any chance of winning that non-believer to Christ. Instead another future atheist is born.

[Joshua Brooks]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

you are naive.

Are you really that idiotic?

Its not hard to understand for the normal person.

In the typical style of low class foul mouthed atheist punks you resort to insults when you can't back up your wild claims. Every post you've made lately makes the illogical assertion that anyone who doesn't blindly believe in the word of gay secular scientists are somehow stupid and uneducated. What a pompous and self righteous view of the world you have, Fig Newton.

Something about my time here has shown me you are unable to argue your point, instead, you avoid all the stuff that you aren't able to argue against and then make a sarcastic and unsubstantiated comment about something random.

I have not avoided anything. I countered your pitiful arguement. No matter how many golf balls, basketballs, and footballs you pile together it will remain a pile of golf balls, basketballs, and footballs.

If a pile of 300 golf balls, basketballs, and footballs makes water, then a pile of 500 golf balls, basketballs, and footballs will just be more water, not aluminum. The real question is "Are YOU really that idiotic?"

Given what secular science says about light(photons and frequwncies and stuff), tell me how is it that water(which you claim is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons) is clear while lead (which you claim is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons) is opaque?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

I simply revel in the awesome power of Christ, and how His hand is in everything. In the mountains, in the awesome power of volcanoes, in the music of the wind. I marvel at the intricate web of life that we belong to and the menagorie of creatures that His infinite wisdom created. I like to study Gods poetry and the more I learn, the more in awe of Him I become.

You friend are the one who shoves Charles Darwin in front of His Holy Word. What so called "Christians" like you refuse to accept is all of God's glory. Yes He created fluffy bunnies but He also created wolves to eat those bunnies. Those wolves, along with parasitic wasps and urethra dwelling candiru are His creations too and equally deserving of our’ praise.

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My grandmother is headmistress of a school for people with special needs and severe learning disabilities, I'll enquire to see if they have any spaces for you guys. Your brains are obviously very small to not be able to comprehend the magnitude of science.

God is the only thing worthy of my comprehension lady. God, not science sent His only son to die for my sins and will save me from Hell.

[VictoryOS]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Mr. Newton, I'm really not sure why you're so upset with me. You're the one who came in here throwing insults around like confetti. You say you're a Christian and you're not confused, but then you speak out against God's own Word. We're not here to argue or debate, and we're not here to swap insults. We only want what's best for you, which would be to understand the Bible the way God wants. If you have a problem with the Bible, you'll just have to take it up with God Himself. But if you'd like to learn and grow with us, just open your mind! Stop listening to all this science nonsense and place your trust in the Lord.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Reuben is my middle name. Nobody calls me Reuben.

Show me how carbon dating has "disproved" these claims that you tell me about Reuben.

I don't buy into any of this nonsense. I don't care what carbon dating says, or what atheist scientists claim it says. If it contradicts the Bible, then it is wrong. End of discussion.

Besides, why would I want to show you scientific research that contradicts the Bible? You are obviously a bit on the gullible side, and I don't want to show you anything that might weaken your faith or cause you to stumble.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Newton]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

My grandmother is headmistress of a school for people with special needs and severe learning disabilities, I'll enquire to see if they have any spaces for you guys. Your brains are obviously very small to not be able to comprehend the magnitude of science.

Show me how carbon dating has "disproved" these claims that you tell me about Reuben.

Carbon dating proves many things which are beneficial to Christians.

Victory, I have NEVER come across someone who is so umbelievably inane. I have specified countless times that I am a Christian, I am also not confused. If I were confused I would not be able to make sense of what I am typing.

I have read the Bible many times, being a Christian its something you do.

I do not try to make sense of Gods wisdom, that would be foolish. If I understood God then I would be God. Are you that stupid? If you are not, prove it to me.

I simply revel in the awesome power of Christ, and how His hand is in everything. In the mountains, in the awesome power of volcanoes, in the music of the wind. I marvel at the intricate web of life that we belong to and the menagorie of creatures that His infinite wisdom created. I like to study Gods poetry and the more I learn, the more in awe of Him I become.

I have been given an infringement, as apparently I am an atheist. This is a lie, I am a Christian and I do not like being falsely accused. It might be time to go over the 10 Comandments and read about how falsely accusing someone is a sin.

[VictoryOS]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

It always makes me sad to see non-Christians trying to needlessly complicate the Bible. Then they use their own complications to try to discredit the Holy Word of God!

It's the Bible. Read it, breathe it, believe it, live it. That's all there is to it. If you go around trying to make "sense" of God's infinite Wisdom, it's no wonder you're so confused!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Carbon dating supports Christianity!

Wrong. I've seen carbon dating used to "prove" that the Shroud of Turin is only 800 years old. I've seen carbon dating used to "prove" that the global flood never happened. I've seen carbon dating used to "prove" that the Israelites were never captives in Egypt.

All they have proved to me is that carbon dating is false.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Newton]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

"Not wishing to spoil you in your outbursts of Non-understanding................ but:

The Bible is simple to follow and understand. Even for me as a Woman.
If there is something I don't understand I ask a Pastor.

You don't need a knowledge of Physics just the power of Faith.
I am an expert in my own Faith."

I have a far greater understanding of the sciences than you appear to, I'm afraid. I'm also fairly knowledgable of the Bible, perhaps not as knowledgable as you, my friend, but my knowledge is wisdom, which is far greater, I'm afraid.

I don't NEED a knowledge of physics, but as I have said umpteen times before, I enjoy studying Gods hand in the ways of the world.

The Bible is generally simple to follow and understand - but the greater depths of the Bible are as complex as life itself.

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Mr. Brooks, you are naive. AIDS is caused by a virus - the human immunodefficienty virus. The black plague, otherwise known as the bubonic plague was caused, again, by a micro-organism. Radiation can cause cancer, but cancer is not radiation. Cancer cells are formed in our bodies constantly, right now we probably have cancer cells. However, under normal circumstances they are destroyed. Under abnormal circumstances they aren't, and thus you either get a malignant or benign cancer which can then cause death. Cancer is caused by mutations in cells.

The other examples you mentioned were down to Gods hand, not by any terrestrial catastrophe.

Chernobyl was a nuclear disaster and the accident caused widespread radiation, which has killed many people, scourged the land and many babies are born crippled. That is what radiation can do.

Hiroshima, and of course, Nagasaki were two more disasters, this time caused by nuclear bombs rather than a nuclear power station. Similar effects are observed.

Are you really that idiotic?

So, no, its not always radiation, but it can be.

I said I would not bore you with the details, therefore we do not need to discuss it.

The examples of balls are mentioned are spherical in shape. Glue several basketballs and footballs together and you get something that isn't spherical, thats not too hard is it for you to understand? I can't "prove" atoms, by definition, its a theory, but I can be 99.9999999999999999999999999% certain that they exist.

Water and lead are not the same thing, obviously. Although the building blocks of water and lead are the same, the way they are put together forms something new.

In the same way I used the wood analogy. Get some peices of wood exactly the same shape and size and glue them together in one way and you get a cube shaped box. Or you could glue them together another way and you get an oblong shaped box. They aren't the same thing, but made of the same thing. Its not hard to understand for the normal person.

Something about my time here has shown me you are unable to argue your point, instead, you avoid all the stuff that you aren't able to argue against and then make a sarcastic and unsubstantiated comment about something random.

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I am unable to see the problems in atomic theory. The books of the Bible vary in their age, from around 6000 years old to 1500 years old. Now, I could write a book down and claim it was that old too. To prove that it isn't, and that the book of Genesis is 6000 years old or whatever, we could carbon date them. My book would be shown to be brand new, Genesis would be shown to be 6000 years old.

Carbon dating supports Christianity! There is NOTHING sacriligious about it at all.

Translation: You can believe in both if you have the slightest bit of intelligence within you.

[Joshua Brooks]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

Radiation can be MEASURED with equipment invented by scientists, but we have known about radiation and known its existed before the equipment was developed. Besides, tell victims of Chernobyl or Hiroshima and other such related disasters involving a lot of radiation, that it does not exist.

Oh, so now whenever God smites a sinful people with afflictions that they rightly deserved it is attributed to "radiation"? I guess the Black Plague, the AIDS, cancer, the Great Flood, the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah, death of every first born in Egypt, and every time Jesus has felt the urge to smite someone within the pages of the Holy Bible KJV 1611 it was all "radiation", right?

A ridiculous concept would be dark sucker theory. I won't bore you with the details, but that is a ridiculous concept.

I'd rather not discuss the theory of the inherent nature of negroidial homosexuality. It really isn't all that ridiculous once you see their women.

Right, how to explain this...Lets put it into a bigger perspective. Electrons are golf balls, protons are basketballs and neutrons are footballs. If you have a single basketball and it is glued to a golf ball you can no longer call it a basketball or a golfball. Its something new.

If you have 6 basketballs, 6 footballs and 12 golfballs glued together, you have something new. Its now much bigger, and so it will be much harder to kick a long distance, it won't be able to fit through small gaps. Whilst they are made up of the same things, when you add them together they form different things which have different properties.

No, it's just a bigger cluster of balls. Your failed attempt to explain the unexplainable has only demonstrated the smaller objects can fit in places that larger objects cannot. When are you going to accept the fact that just because some homosexual scientist tells you something it isn't necessarily true? Water is a light weight clear liquid. Lead is a heavy opaque solid. But they are the made of the same stuff? Riiiiight

Remember, keep an open mind.

Translation: Be willing to believe in the wild theories of man, but not in the Holy Word of the God who created EVERYTHING.

[Talitha]

Re: The Atomic Foundations of Science Debunked

I'm not sure of the exact prodedure.
As I said, I'm not sure of the exact procedure,
I'm not a partical physicist.
these are used for mathmatical analysis of the images, and that is far beyond my scope.
I admit the forces are totally dependant on Jesus Christ.
not something I even try to understand.
Dark matter and energy is not something I am willing to tackle until you have a sound knowledge of physics.
I would no way call myself and expert

Not wishing to spoil you in your outbursts of Non-understanding................ but:

The Bible is simple to follow and understand. Even for me as a Woman.
If there is something I don't understand I ask a Pastor.

You don't need a knowledge of Physics just the power of Faith.
I am an expert in my own Faith.