[Unfalsifiable]

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Well the point of the first cause argument was to reduce the atheist to the same position as the theist, which it does successfully. And that point is there is something we might describe as godly if we ever encountered it.

Christians can then talk about the Bible, or rather, they never needed to do the thought experiment because they had the Bible.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Saying there is a necessary other universe that can transcend time and space that can cause our universe is as unfalsifiable as saying God did it. In fact this universe sounds godly!

That's my point friend; we say God, the atheist says other universes colliding. (But
before you embrace Bayneworld remember an other universe is not that kind of caring, loving God like ours who creates flowers, rabbits and parasitic wasps. It is a subtle game the atheists are playing here friend) We’re stuck trying to prove negatives.

You have to remember an atheist is willfully blinded by his lies friend. He is like a small child throwing a tantrum who when given even the slightest opening will say “it an’t so” even when presented with the strongest proof. Look how atheists twist the proof of a global flood into supporting their evolution theory. That why you must take it to higher plane were the atheist has no wiggle room. Stick with The Bible and TAG friend, it’s the combination atheists fear the most.

[Unfalsifiable]

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Saying there is a necessary other universe that can transcend time and space that can cause our universe is as unfalsifiable as saying God did it. In fact this universe sounds godly!

[Bobby-Joe]

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This is an extremely good post, but I believe there is still room for this logic.

Science states that everything is caused and something cannot come from nothing. Therefore everything we have ever experienced is contingent. So therefore somewhere something must be necessary, and even though that literally points nowhere but "away from science as we know it" it is still a point towards God.

It still think that playing into the atheist game friend. You argue God and they will argue there are plenty of naturalistic explanations for this. Consider the so called Bayneworld theory;

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/bigbang_alternative_010413-3.html

Basically it argues the observable universe are the result of other unobserved universes colliding. In one deft motion the atheist have conjured this “unobservable universe” out of thin air as a counter to our ineffable God. We can argue God, they can argue parallel universe and a Christian is trapped by God’s own wise choice to hide His existence. Neither of side can disprove the other so the atheist is still allowed to spead his evil lies.

The problem is science works under the false assumption that all phenomena has a natural explanation. Not only is this bad science since closes off unnatural sources as an explanation it is also inherently illogical. What scientist fall to accept is the very fact that God can be proved not to exist proves God exists.

The Transcendental Argument for the existence of God (TAG) explains this.

• Logic exists independent of any physical phenomena.
• God as described in The Bible is logical
• Therefore God exists.

The secularists can not explain why the “logic” he uses to explain the universe exists without God creating it. This is not like gravity that happens because of some physical mass, logic just is.

[revrggreen]

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I love my neighbor and want to help him reach heaven too.

The thing that annoys me about most athiests and Christian-haters is how much they quote 'Love thy neighbor' - and tell us this means we should love everyone in the entire World?? Friends, this is nothing but trash!

The Dictionary definition of the word 'neighbor' is this -

Somebody living nearby: somebody who lives next door or close to somebody else

I would ask that these filthy heathens show me the dictionary which gives THEIR ridiculous definition of the word 'neighbor', because we know they cant! When God says 'Love thy neighbor', he means exactly that. Love the person who lives in the house next to yours. 'Love they neighbor' DOES NOT MEAN love everyone in the entire World who ever lived. If it did then the house next door to you would be pretty full.

Obviously this would be ridiculous, as the entire population of the Earth would not fit inside a single house. That is how stupid these athiests really are.

[Unfalsifiable]

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Dear Friend,

Not even the feeblest minds among the atheists would be gulled in by this wheezy old gag. Your argument boils down to:

P1. Things exist.
P2. Every thing has a cause.
C1. Therefore, every thing that exists has a cause.
C2. And each of those causes has a cause.
P3. But that can't go on forever.
QED God.

To which any atheist worth the name would say:

P2 and P3 are contradictory. First, you assert that, yes, everything has a cause. And you have to say that to set up any mystery about why the Universe is here. If we're not in a search for causes, we could simply accept what is on its own brute terms. Then, after you start flowing backwards in the infinite regress of cause and effect, you change your mind and say that there has to be something that is not caused, i.e., that, no, not everything has a cause. And you have to say that, or you never escape from the investigation of natural phenomena. The problem for the profoundly unimpressed atheist is that you're trying to have it both ways.

If there has to be something that is not caused, a start to the whole sheebang, why not let it be the Universe which we all observe, rather than the God who we don't?

Logic is not the Christian's friend. The Bible is. Preach the Bible. The proof of God's existence is that the Bible says He exists. That proof cannot be undermined or talked away. It is self-sufficient and indisputable on its own terms.

Yours in Him,
bab

This is an extremely good post, but I believe there is still room for this logic.

Science states that everything is caused and something cannot come from nothing. Therefore everything we have ever experienced is contingent. So therefore somewhere something must be necessary, and even though that literally points nowhere but "away from science as we know it" it is still a point towards God.

[Bobby-Joe]

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The Bible says quite clearly that witches, freaks and heathens who denounce my God burn in hellfire. This Satanic trash, or 'Garbage people' as I call them, are a lost cause. They deserve NO RESPECT. By Biblical teachings, we should be burning them.

Godly point Reverend Green. We must show these sinners some Christian love and compassion. If it means a tough love act like a burning or a stoning so be it. I love my neighbor and want to help him reach heaven too.

[revrggreen]

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As a member of the clergy, Reverend, I would have thought you would be respectful to all of Mankind, and thus would rise above calling people loosers and trash.

I am respectful of those who earn that respect. Please do not take this as ignorance on my part. You say that I, as a member of the Clergy, must be respectful of ALL OF MANKIND? Surely you are joking? Should I be respectful to Satanists, Goths, Witches, Anti-Christians who advocate Church arson?

I choose to ignore petty ignorant people who choose to question my authority. I have had this for many years, and people who respect me know I am a man of my word. People who don't respect me are usually narrow minded hypocrites and do not deserve my time and energy. Remember only God's elect go to heaven, why should I waste my time on people who spit on my God? Who live their lives by the devil's words.

The Bible says quite clearly that witches, freaks and heathens who denounce my God burn in hellfire. This Satanic trash, or 'Garbage people' as I call them, are a lost cause. They deserve NO RESPECT. By Biblical teachings, we should be burning them.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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Nicely edited, glad to see you are capable of using the backspace key and retyping something.

My friends, you truly have a hardened heart. If Jesus changed your heart, I suggest you submit to him like a wife to a husband and allow Him to work in your life. You can cast blame around, or you can take responsibility for your own filthy lifestyle that Jesus is trying to help you out of; it's your choice.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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Dr. Ernest C. Ville. I have been scouring the internet and I have been unable to find any of your academic papers, I would be appreciative if I could read some of your papers.

My papers are safely sealed inside of Landover's very own vault, to protect them from demonic influences in the world who would like nothing better than to rip my work of edifying Christ to shreds. A pastor will be more than willing to escort you into the Landover Library Vault to read my work, as soon as your Platinum Membership is confirmed...

As a fellow member of the science world I would be very interested in reading what a fellow scientist has to say. Where did you get your PhD from? What University did you graduate from?

Apparently you didn't search very hard All information about me that is available to the Unsaved(tm) public is here.

I have also been unable to find any mention of you on the Christian in Science database. A man like you who is forefronting research into Creation Science should surely be a member of Christians in Science, other men researching the same area as you, such as Ken Ham and Don Batton would be interested in talking to you.

I'm not entirely sure why you'd expect to find my name amongst laymen like those who list themselves on a list of so-called "Christians", when their fruit portrays them as nothing less than liberal America-haters who give True Christians(tm) a bad name.

The fact you have mentioned "Starbucks" in your post shows that you are unable to argue eloquently, scientists stick to the facts, and the facts alone, which you have failed to do.

You state that I don't stick to the facts, when my own research is based exclusively on the 1611 King James Bible. If that's not sticking to the Facts(tm), I have no idea *what* is!

Instead, you have shown your distaste by diverting the topic. The Bible states; "Do not store up treasures on Earth", a 23" plasma screen surely classifies as a treasure, which means you are a materialistic man, rather than doing what a man of your faith would be doing and evangalising.

Are you accusing me of being worldly? My friend, a 23" plasma screen is entirely necessary in my research. Indeed I can see all four legs of insects in incredible detail! I assure you, Landover's Budget Committee had no trouble funding my request, so if you have an issue I suggest you speak with them, once your tithing level has been sufficiently elevated.

[Newton]

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Nicely edited, glad to see you are capable of using the backspace key and retyping something.

[VictoryOS]

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you cannot believe in evolution and still believe in the glory of Christ and worship Him.

I agree with that statement 100%.

[Newton]

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As a member of the clergy, Reverend, I would have thought you would be respectful to all of Mankind, and thus would rise above calling people loosers and trash.

Satanists are beyond repemption. Read "From Witchcraft to Christ", by Doreen Irvine, a perfect example.

Plus, God can save anyone, because He is God and can do anything...Unless you are suggesting that Gods powers are somewhat limited? I should hope not.

A third theory exists - and I believe in it. Jesus said; "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, none may come under the Father, but through Me". 100% agreed. That does not mean to say you cannot believe in evolution and still believe in the glory of Christ and worship Him.

Dr. Ernest C. Ville. I have been scouring the internet and I have been unable to find any of your academic papers, I would be appreciative if I could read some of your papers. As a fellow member of the science world I would be very interested in reading what a fellow scientist has to say. Where did you get your PhD from? What University did you graduate from?
I have also been unable to find any mention of you on the Christian in Science database. A man like you who is forefronting research into Creation Science should surely be a member of Christians in Science, other men researching the same area as you, such as Ken Ham and Don Batton would be interested in talking to you.

The fact you have mentioned "Starbucks" in your post shows that you are unable to argue eloquently, scientists stick to the facts, and the facts alone, which you have failed to do. Instead, you have shown your distaste by diverting the topic. The Bible states; "Do not store up treasures on Earth", a 23" plasma screen surely classifies as a treasure, which means you are a materialistic man, rather than doing what a man of your faith would be doing and evangalising.

[revrggreen]

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Sir, I will have you know that I spat a full mouthful of my Starbucks coffee all over my 23" plasma screen when I saw "Christian" and "Evolution" next to each other. I must request that you be more considerate when posting! when I read the rest of your post and decided that this had to be a joke, right?

Son,

While it may be a 'joke' to those of us who know the TRUTH*, it will give the answer to losers, freaks and similar trash who believe evolution, even though they can't tell us what happened BEFORE the Big Bang.

I am attempting to win the hardest of hearts back to God. It may not be nice, and it may not be an attractive 'theory' to other Christians. But I believe not ALL are past redemption (except maybe Goths, Wiccans, Satanists, Gypsies and the mentally handicapped). If my 'Third Theory' can win more heathens back to God, then I am all for it. I am quite sure they will consider my 'THIRD THEORY' more attractive than the 'Evolution Theory', because it has the answers to several glaring holes in the Evolution Theory with 1000% Bible truths.

Then, I am sure that after a few more months of going to a decent Baptist Church they will realise all that Evolution nonsense was all a pile of Satanic trash, and finally abandon the 'THIRD THEORY', and choose the TRUTH*. Praise Jesus!


* Creation is the ONLY way.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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Sir, I will have you know that I spat a full mouthful of my Starbucks coffee all over my 23" plasma screen when I saw "Christian" and "Evolution" next to each other. I must request that you be more considerate when posting! Why I thought you had been watching some of them new-fangled so-called peer-reviewed "scientific journals" and was already on the phone with Landover Security's Thought-Integrity Enforcers when I read the rest of your post and decided that this had to be a joke, right?