[Zaiger]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

Miller Urey all this experiment did was show God's power. First when there just amino acids there were no people so nobody could have intelligently designed lab settings for an environment similar to those used in the Miller experiment. So all it did was show that a man could not come close to duplicating god's power.
Ever see something like the miller experiment in nature? No i did not think so because God has created everything he needs for now and for something like the miller experiment to happen you need someone controlling it and your "science" has already shown that there were no people back then so god must have done it.

[wait_what]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

You can also see the Miller-experiment:

http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/miller_urey_experiment.html

There you can see that Amino-acids can be formed from chemical products and once they are there life can be possible.

Amino-acids are the key to life, nut are indeed not life itself.

The Miller Urey experiment was null because it used byproducts of life. Additionally, amino acids while the building blocks of proteins, are not life. Calling amino acids life is like calling metal a car. It is part of a car, but it is unformed and incomplete without the hands of its creator. Who is the creator of life? God.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

You can also see the Miller-experiment:

http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/miller_urey_experiment.html

There you can see that Amino-acids can be formed from chemical products and once they are there life can be possible.

Amino-acids are the key to life, nut are indeed not life itself.

Were you actually present during that experiment or do you believe everything you can find on the Internet?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

You can also see the Miller-experiment:

http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/miller_urey_experiment.html

There you can see that Amino-acids can be formed from chemical products and once they are there life can be possible.

Amino-acids are the key to life, nut are indeed not life itself.

What has any of this got to do with life. Next you'll be trying to claim life is just a collection of chemicals all doing chemical things. Are you mad?

Genesis 1 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


So God creates Man in His own image out of gloop in a lab, according to you?

The word of the Lord is constant and unambiguous in this.

Why would God create Eve from man's rib if there were already male and female people breeding like mokeys?

Genesis 2 18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

You see! Man was alone and needed God to intercede for him. And we all know it went downhill from there because of Eve.

Are you so blind you can't see how much more sensible an explanation this is than clever slime?

[Peter Roy]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

You can also see the Miller-experiment:

http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/miller_urey_experiment.html

There you can see that Amino-acids can be formed from chemical products and once they are there life can be possible.

Amino-acids are the key to life, nut are indeed not life itself.

[wait_what]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

On a Quantum level, particles of matter have been observed to appear from nothing, and then equally and abruptly disappear. In fact it is happening everywhere right now. (everywhere that has matter, of course) your left hand, your computer, your sock etc etc...

I dare you to back this up with citation to a peer reviewed article.

We know that life can arise from non life (amino acids and all that lark)

Define life. Amino acids from a scientific standpoint are not life. Microbiologists and all other biologists except virologists do not even classify viruses as life. Neo-bio-genesis has yet to happen. In the history of the universe it is undocumented and unobserved, and therefore by your own criteria never happened.

So something CAN come from nothing.

Do you even know the First Law of Thermodynamics?

There is so much evidence for the big bang, be it uniform background radiation (CMB essentially the heat left behind by the big bang), the continuing expansion of the universe, the echo of the explosion, be it the Hydrogen and Helium found in space etc etc.

There is evidence of a repulsive force? Then why would there be an observable gravitational constant force, pulling towards each other for every body in the universe? You mean science is contradicting itself?

Not only that, we have evidence that there are OTHER universes.

Once again, I would like to see a peer reviewed article cited here.

The alleged word of a supernatural being that created the Universe in a book written by humans thousands of years ago does not prove anything. A book cannot prove anything, it has to be backed up by external evidence.

The external evidence is all around you. Do you know the statistical probability of a divine creator is greater than that of a single enzyme being able to come into the correct confirmation due to all of the possible positions of its atoms? How about this, the Holy Ghost testifies of the truthfulness of the Bible. Pray and listen. Stop pretending to be smarter than God. You're not. Wanna know how I know? You didn't create the universe; He did.

There is NO external evidence for the existence of a supernatural being - whether you are willing to accept that fact or not.

There is external evidence. There are creatures on this Earth that nature would never select for. If it wasn't for God giving the recipe in the Bible, why would we eat bread? Really. Think about this. What man in prehistoric times had the energy to grind flour. Then he had the brilliance to harvest bacteria. He mixed these two with a proper amount of salt to inhibit overgrowth of non halo-tolerant species. Then he added sugar, water, and mixed. After all this, he let the dough sit at room temperature to rise before baking into a tasty loaf of bread. Now why would a man who has to fight off grizzly bears and his monkey grandfather according to your account do all this instead of hunt/kill/forage. Oh yeah, God told him to!

I eagerly await an infraction/ban by your fascist censor happy mods...

Your time will come.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

……defending my beliefs.

You were talking about observations. Remember?

……have been observed……so much evidence……we have evidence……backed up by external evidence……evidence……etc. etc.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

I wrote the original post for this thread, so please take a moment to respond. I seriously wish to understand where your confusion lies:

On a Quantum level, particles of matter have been observed to appear from nothing, and then equally and abruptly disappear.

First, this has NOT been observed. It has ONLY been theorized. And since a "theory" is a"guess" then you should say:"On a Quantum level, some people guess that particles of matter appear from nothing, and then they guess that they equally and abruptly disappear." You should then add "All of the people guessing this have been grad students who have just smoked a pound and a half of Marry Jane." Wait, that would apply to most academics, wouldn't it?

Second, it is well documented that this effect is within the margin of error of any instrument ever invented or ever could be invented. This means that even if we tried to observed this pot-induced dream, no solid conclusions could be reached.

Read up before you spew this nonsense!

In fact it is happening everywhere right now. (everywhere that has matter, of course) your left hand, your computer, your sock etc etc...

Maybe YOU walk around thinking your hand has just disappeared and turned into your computer, but MY hand is right where it should be:

1) On the binding of a good KJV Bible;
2) On the hind-quarters of whichever of my seven children are being disobedient at the moment; or
3) Shoving my ex-wife's pie into my mouth;
4) Punching atheists

We know that life can arise from non life (amino acids and all that lark)

Are you INSANE? Google "abiogenesis"and spend 5minute learning something. No one who doesn't read the Bible has ANY idea where life came from. Research before you come here with your "shroom"-induced fantasies.

So something CAN come from nothing.

So because some stoned grad students made some BS up and you don't understand abiogenesis, something can come from nothing? Is this what passes for logic on your planet?

There is so much evidence for the big bang, be it uniform background radiation(CMB essentially the heat left behind by the big bang),

It is "CBR" not "CMB" and since it comes from everywhere, it CAN'T be from a singularity. If it was, it would becoming from a SINGLE POINT IN SPACE. CBR is just evidence of Heaven.

the continuing expansion of the universe,

You mean the different colors of stars? Just because something is a little red or blue doesn't mean it is moving. Besides, scientists believe that every point in the universe is moving away from THE EARTH. Even if this were true, doesn't that PROVE that God made the Earth the center of the universe? (It isn't true, though. Obviously if the Earth were at the center of a Big Bang, it wouldn't be here any more.)

the echo of the explosion

Did you even READ my original post? SOUND CAN'T TRAVEL IN SPACE. There was no "BANG" and there certainly isn't an "ECHO' "ECHO" "ECHO"

be it the Hydrogen and Helium found in space etc etc.

So the MOST COMMON elements in the entire universe are found throughout the universe. So?

Not only that, we have evidence that there are OTHER universes.

Evidence? Evidence? Son, this would have been headline news if we had evidence that we had found Heaven (another universe). Can you provide a SINGLE citation?

The alleged word of a supernatural being that created the Universe in a book written by humans thousands of years ago does not prove anything.

It does if it has always been right, even in matters of science.

A book cannot prove anything, it has to be backed up by external evidence.

It is backed up by Jesus's testamoney and God's Word!

There is NO external evidence for the existence of a supernatural being - whether you are willing to accept that fact or not.

What do you call trees?

[FilthyAtheist]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

So because you're so good at looking at all the evidence you'll be totally aware how much of a fool you're making of yourself. You've done all your research right.

You see you're basing all your anger on a simple assumption that's making a total idiot of you. Let's see if you can work it out.

It's a shame when people try to bluff us that they know what they're talking about as science and assume we know nothing whatever of it because we're dumb Christians. By the way, that's not the assumption that's making you look like an ass.

Anyway, seeing as your science isn't going to burn me in Hell if I don't believe all the bits that contradict the Bible I think I'll stick to letting everyone know how much God hates anything that contradicts Him.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

What on Earth are you talking about? Im a fool because i've done research?

I have expressed no anger, I have not accused anyone of being a fool or a moron or an idiot like you have been. I know what I am talking about, obviously I could stand corrected by a scientist on many things but the things I am speaking of right now can be confirmed by simply looking it up on Google or going to and observing these things yourself with the correct equipment.

You are the one claiming that unless one has direct observation then it is untrue. We KNOW for a FACT that Pluto's orbit is 248 Earth years, yet no human on Earth has or ever will see Pluto complete one full orbit. You are the one implying that scientist are lying and you are also being quite rude at the same time. Are we not civilised people? Are you not capable of arguing without hurling some form of insult at another?

....assume we know nothing whatever of it because we're dumb Christians.

That is not an assumption I have made in this argument. I was simply correcting someone who said something cannot appear from nothing by using Quantum physics as an example, obviously they were not aware of that. Im not saying anyone is dumb here- You are the person who is assuming these things.

Assumption: A thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof: "they made certain assumptions about the market". Religion in a nutshell....

But what exactly am I assuming that I have no evidence for? If you would care to enlighten me?

Secular scientists love to talk about Occam's Razor in support of their non-Biblical "theories." However, what could be more simple of an answer than to admit "God did it; the Bible is right"?

This is what separates True Science™ from the profane false sciences.

Did I just read that right? Was that a joke?

Your answer to scientific fact is to be lazy and assume the Bible is right - The very thing that has stunted mankind's knowledge of reality for thousands of years?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

Drivel.

So because you're so good at looking at all the evidence you'll be totally aware how much of a fool you're making of yourself. You've done all your research right.

You see you're basing all your anger on a simple assumption that's making a total idiot of you. Let's see if you can work it out.

It's a shame when people try to bluff us that they know what they're talking about as science and assume we know nothing whatever of it because we're dumb Christians. By the way, that's not the assumption that's making you look like an ass.

Anyway, seeing as your science isn't going to burn me in Hell if I don't believe all the bits that contradict the Bible I think I'll stick to letting everyone know how much God hates anything that contradicts Him.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

[Jedediah]

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Secular scientists love to talk about Occam's Razor in support of their non-Biblical "theories." However, what could be more simple of an answer than to admit "God did it; the Bible is right"?

This is what separates True Science(tm) from the profane false sciences.

I Timothy 6:20-21
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

[FilthyAtheist]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is, idiot?

It's sarcasm and I am simply expressing the fact that I have already received a infraction for defending my beliefs. No need to call anyone an idiot here. Or did you forget what these people have labeled you?

Is it not breaking your foul atheist heart to see this idiot making you all look so bad?

Hey! Atheist berk! Did you find out about quantum levels and all that from

a. direct observation of phenomena via measurements made by yourself or
b. by reading about it in a book or listening to other people who read it in a book?

Good grief!

From talking to good friends who specify in the field, from reading books that study the subject and have done direct observation of the phenomena.

But wait, it must all be one giant conspiracy that the government supports to mislead people and turn them into science believing Atheists to stop heaven from becoming overcrowded!
And of course, the supernova that I will be able to witness from Scotland in a few weeks time is also a lie! Why would it only be view able from the northern Hemisphere?? Why because nobody likes the place, of course! And everyone knows that people from the northern Hemisphere are stupid, so no-one would believe them even if they said they saw it!!

My goodness, is there no end to your peoples desperateness?


Science itself lends itself to truth, as nothing is accepted unless it has been thoroughly tested in practise. Without evidence, anything a scientist might say is worth zero. Unless of course they're a theoretical scientist, in which case it is based around other known truths.

Generally, a scientist will do what they do because they have a passion for it. So, it is not in their best interests to falsify what they say, as it could damage their reputation as a scientist, and then their ability to perform further examinations.

Ultimately, it is up to the individual to decide what they believe or disbelieve - regardless of whether it is backed up by evidence or not.

You can see these things yourself if you have the money/equipment/contacts etc etc.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is, idiot?

Is it not breaking your foul atheist heart to see this idiot making you all look so bad?

Hey! Atheist berk! Did you find out about quantum levels and all that from

a. direct observation of phenomena via measurements made by yourself or
b. by reading about it in a book or listening to other people who read it in a book?

Good grief!

[Didymus Much]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

...I eagerly await an infraction/ban by your fascist censor happy mods...

Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is, idiot?

[FilthyAtheist]

Re: PROOF: The Big Bang Is A Fake Story!!

The Big Bang theory is just as silly as a childrens storybook. How can nothingness explode into this universe?

1. If there is nothing, nothing can explode.
2. The logicality of nothingness exploding into a fully functional world, is just as logical as a junkyard exploding for no reason and out of the explosion comes a fully operational Boing 747. Thats not gonna happen. Big Bang is just a waste of time even in discussion.

The Lord made our world. Simple fact.

On a Quantum level, particles of matter have been observed to appear from nothing, and then equally and abruptly disappear. In fact it is happening everywhere right now. (everywhere that has matter, of course) your left hand, your computer, your sock etc etc...


We know that life can arise from non life (amino acids and all that lark)

So something CAN come from nothing.


There is so much evidence for the big bang, be it uniform background radiation (CMB essentially the heat left behind by the big bang), the continuing expansion of the universe, the echo of the explosion, be it the Hydrogen and Helium found in space etc etc.

Not only that, we have evidence that there are OTHER universes.

The alleged word of a supernatural being that created the Universe in a book written by humans thousands of years ago does not prove anything. A book cannot prove anything, it has to be backed up by external evidence.

There is NO external evidence for the existence of a supernatural being - whether you are willing to accept that fact or not.

I eagerly await an infraction/ban by your fascist censor happy mods...