[Elmer G. White]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

Oh boy, I am about to put a huge hole in your logic...

This is exciting, and as a Creation Scientist, I am always ready to make an unbiased assessment of this. Obviously, in addition to pure reason, we expect this person to do careful fact-checking of the data (s)he is going to present, as follows:

In 1997, NASA put a man on the moon, which you claim to be fake, and they got footage of it..

Now, I am baffled. Even NASA in their Bible-opposing lewdness do not claim to have sent anyone on the Moon in 1997, nor is there any fake photographic (Daguerreotype or newer) evidence of this around. Obviously, logic did not entail fact-checking for this person. Hint: there are easily accessible documents that you can access with the help of your school's librarian. There are microfilmed newspaper clippings of the year that NASA DID claim to have reached the moon, many encyclopedias mention this if you browse the books (that are arranged in alphabetical order) for "moon". Even some of your schoolbooks on postmodern history might also mention this. So, please do a tiny bit more research and you'll be astonished!

But... (for my True Christian Siblings in Christ™): It is possible that there is a more sinister motive behind the "1997" - it could be a subliminal reference to the false Muslim-Catholic Cult, as there IS a verse 19:97 in the fictional Quran. It is the Surah Maryam 19:97:
So, [O Muhammad], We have only made Qur’an easy in the Arabic language that you may give good tidings thereby to the righteous and warn thereby a hostile people.

A clear reference to the Islamic part of the Papist conspiracy, to have everyone learn Arabic and discard Jesus AND an ulterior, even more devious reference to the Catholics, as "Surah Maryam" means "The Surah of Mary", i.e., Mary worship, Papism, everything Jesus opposes. Eventually this would mean forced sodomy.

Genesis 19:5 (NOT 19:97, that does not exist)
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

I rest my case.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Didymus Much]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

Logic is the thing holding society together....

Counterpoint: the Republican Party

... So, suck on that

Please curb your misogyny, thanks.

[handmaiden]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

Logic is the thing holding society together. So, suck on that

Logic does not hold society together. And you are so bad at this, it's kind of amusing, in an irritating sort of way.

[Iplaytf2]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

Logic is immaterial to those who follow the Bible and look towards eternity with Christ. And no one here is going to run up to you in your backyard while you are gazing through a telescope and bother you in any way.

You've come onto our church-sponsored website where we discuss the Bible and are attempting to disturb our peace. Why are you such a mean-spirited hypocrite?

Logic is the thing holding society together. So, suck on that

[handmaiden]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

Oh boy, I am about to put a huge hole in your logic,[. . .]so, please, do me a favor and please let us observe the moon and the stars at peace, please? Thank you.

Logic is immaterial to those who follow the Bible and look towards eternity with Christ. And no one here is going to run up to you in your backyard while you are gazing through a telescope and bother you in any way.

You've come onto our church-sponsored website where we discuss the Bible and are attempting to disturb our peace. Why are you such a mean-spirited hypocrite?

[Iplaytf2]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

do you people really believe this?



We only see one side of the moon because the moon rotates on its axis at the same rate as it orbits the earth. this is called synchronous rotation. synchronous is a real word even if you don't have the brain power to comprehend it.

the difference between what you have said here and the information provided by scientists is that the scientist have factual evidence to support what they say and you pull sections from a book that's thousands of years old. the scientists also don't say they should kill you for your views, even though they are right and you are wrong.

There are school children who have a better understanding of the universe than you do, one that is supported by math, science and logic. your views are supported by superstition.

FINALLY, Someone who has a brain, thank you for telling him what the moon is

[Iplaytf2]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

http://www.bible-topics.com/Moon-The.html

Scientists would have us believe that the moon is another world, a lifeless orb of dust and rock, orbiting the earth, reflecting sunlight except when the Earth's shadow falls on it. They even claim they have walked on it! These are all lies.

The Bible teaches us that the Moon is a light, not a reflector, and it doesn't float around in space, it's stuck in the sky, which is a solid object called "the firmament".

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

God put the moon there so that He wouldn't get confused as to whether it's day or night. Also, for sinners to look to them for signs, thus giving him a reason to kill them for witchcraft: Jer.10:2, Is.47:13-14, Dt.18:10-12.

Is.47:13-14:

Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

NASA and astronomers are guilty of "stargazing", and will burn in hell: "the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame"

People who worship the moon are guilty of Athiesm:

Job 31:26 If I beheld the sun when it shined, or the moon walking in brightness;
Job 31:28 This also were an iniquity to be punished by the judge: for I should have denied the God that is above.

When Mitt Romney brings Biblical Law, atheists, and moon-worshippers in particular, will be executed, with their corpses left out to rot:

Deuteronomy 17:3-6 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

What is the definition of an atheist moon-worshipper? Well, if two people accuse you, you're guilty. Especially keep an eye on Jews, they tend to worship the moon a lot:

2 Kings 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.

Jeremiah 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

Got that? Executed and left to rot.

Psychologists and neuroscientists are liars, insanity is caused by demon possession/punishment from God, sunstroke and moonstroke. Yes, moonlight will drive you crazy - that's why it's called "lunacy". This means that NASA and astronomers, because they look at the moon, are insane and we shouldn't trust a word they say:

Psalms 121:6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.

Matthew 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Apart from making people crazy, the moon also causes plants to grow, just like the sun does:

Deuteronomy 33:14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,

A lunar eclipse is not the earth's shadow falling on the moon, it's God turning off the light to warn as that He's about to punish us:

Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. (Notice that the Moon does not reflect light, as the scientists claim. The moon is a SOURCE of light.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Once again, the moon is a light source, and the stars are small objects which can fall from the sky to the Earth.)

Oh boy, I am about to put a huge hole in your logic, the moon is most certainly a rock, and it is made out of tiny particles of glass and rock, and the moon doesn't make its own light, the sun reflect light of the moon, that makes moon phases. In 1997, NASA put a man on the moon, which you claim to be fake, and they got footage of it.. Also, stargazing isn't a sin, I've been doing astronomy for over 2 years now, and I feel fine, so, please, do me a favor and please let us observe the moon and the stars at peace, please? Thank you.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

...A pagan religion makes more sense than some hook nosed jew parting a whole piffleing sea by himself...

And why should we listen to a racist who doesn't even have a holy book to blame his stupidity on?

[Jedediah]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

So you argue all of these things but ask yourself this, what is the difference between a prophet and a schizophrenic?

It is quite easy to tell the difference, actually. Prophecy comes true.

Deuteronomy 18:21-22
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

But even if the prophet speaks true, and shews great signs and wonders, you still can't be sure that God isn't only testing you.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

This is why you have to be a True Christian™ and have the Holy Spirit guiding your discernment to intelligently discuss these matters.

[Follower_Of_Khorne]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

So you argue all of these things but ask yourself this, what is the difference between a prophet and a schizophrenic? A prophet spoke to "god" and objects around them. A schizophrenic talks to the voices in his head that tell him to smear [toilet-mouth removed] on his dog and talks to his lego collection. Moses talked to a burning bush. Are you sure he didn't just have a red head fetish? Also? A pagan religion makes more sense than some hook nosed jew parting a whole piffleing sea by himself T.T and us putting a man on the moon is stupid? How about some wanna be alcoholic turning water into wine? I remember hearing about an AA meeting where a guy said he wishes he could do that..... And then he died of kidney failure... Kinda like Jesus<3

[John Scopes]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

Yet another fascinating thread. The moon has been a significant driver in evolution. Many creatures breeding cycles are tied to it's phases (often human females menstrual cycles are tied to it) along with the tidal forces exerted upon the earth.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

So of the billions of different rotation speeds the moon could have, by an extreme coincidence it's rotation speeds matches it's rotation around Earth precisely?

Don't you realize you just proved that you are wrong and that God is right?

Also what is the chance of it being EXACTLY the same size as the Sun as confirmed by a solar eclipse?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

We only see one side of the moon because the moon rotates on its axis at the same rate as it orbits the earth.

So of the billions of different rotation speeds the moon could have, by an extreme coincidence it's rotation speeds matches it's rotation around Earth precisely?

Don't you realize you just proved that you are wrong and that God is right?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

What is on landover is not Christianity, it is a twisted perversion of faith used to justify ignorance, racism, hate and violence...
You are not “true Christians” you are the weak-minded filth of society going after anything that is different or anything that opposes your ignorance.

Next time you sign up, you might want to explain what it is that you do consider to be true Christianity, if it's not our faith. Because, of course, the non-Christian has a much better understanding of what Christianity is than we Christians could ever manage.

You demand proof but provide none of your own. Prove there is a god. Prove that the earth and the moon are flat. You “true Christians” have no evidence to support your claims and when evidence for any other view is provided you ignore it or claim it is lies.

When evidence for our view is provided, you ignore the Bible or say it's a lie.

You want to talk about terrorists? Not all terrorists are Muslim and it is not people who read the quran that are the problem, it is people who twist and pervert its content to justify violence. This is the same thing that many people on landover do.

What is the correct, non-twisted, non-perverted interpretation of the Bible, in your view?

Well, back to the moon.

Cool, have a nice trip.

I am not going to post much scientific evidence on this form because I don’t have any.

Fixed that for you.

For one you have already admitted in your last post that I have math, evidence and science on my side.

But you lose, because God is on ours.

Secondly, There are countless books, websites or people (not to mention photographs and videos of the moon, space, etc.) that can give you all the information needed to prove that the moon and the earth and the sun and all other stars and planets are all round things orbiting around each other in space.

There are countless Christian books, websites and people who can tell you that God is real.

[Disciple_of_Khorne]

Re: Everything you need to know about THE MOON

I’m back . Banning me will not stop me, it takes about 10 minutes to make a new email address and register on this site.

How much did Games Workshop pay you for advertising their products? I'm sure that next disciple of Audi will come in with other fairy tales. Damn commercial bots.

GW doesn't have to pay me anything. I am a fan of the WH40k universe and thought Khorne is a lot like your god (or at least the twisted perversion of god many landover users worship). For one they are both imaginary and two much like your god khorne is responsible for a lot of hate and violence in the 40k universe.

What is on landover is not Christianity, it is a twisted perversion of faith used to justify ignorance, racism, hate and violence. A lot like chaos in the 40k universe, seeping into the mind and corrupting the weak.

You are not “true Christians” you are the weak-minded filth of society going after anything that is different or anything that opposes your ignorance.

Don’t believe me?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=16785&page=2

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=736012#post736012

Thank you for the insults, you're simply proving that you have nothing to back up your lies, the only way you convince people is through intimidation. Well, I won't back down mister internet tough guy.

So you have math, evidence and logic for your claim that the moon by pure happenstance spins exactly at the right speed to make your claims sound somewhat right? Why didn't you post any of that evidence or logic? Or are your opinions simply based on what you heard from your public school teacher? Or are you one of those idiots who reads a textbook and then accepts everything in there literally? Even though the author is a fallible human, who probably only wrote it so he could keep the populace stupid and increase the strength of the reigning elite. You know that makes you no better than the fundamentalist terrorists who literally believe everything the quran says, right?

Well, back to the moon. Here's some math and logic for you:
Suppose the moon and the earth were spinning balls (which they obviously aren't) then the following parameters would be true:
Possible different speeds of the moon's rotation: infinite.
Possible speeds of the earth's rotation: infinite.
Chance of them exactly matching: 1 out of infinity squared or in other words 0

Please explain that smartypants.

I want to thank you Follower. Your jaw dropping stupidity has brought me more laughter than some comedians. The things you say are so ironic I wonder if you a serious. In fact I wondered if you people believed this “the moon is a flat disk, stuck in the sky” crap at all. But now I can see you really are that stupid.

You want to talk about intimidation? Burning in hell for an eternity if you do not believe what you do is not intimidation? Genocide for different beliefs is not intimidation or worse? The irony. All YOU have is intimidation and superstition, what I have is the power of math, science and logic. The power of knowledge

You demand proof but provide none of your own. Prove there is a god. Prove that the earth and the moon are flat. You “true Christians” have no evidence to support your claims and when evidence for any other view is provided you ignore it or claim it is lies. The lies come from you people. You read a book that is thousands of years old take it all literally and believe everything in it. Sound familiar? (Scroll up to last quote)

You want to talk about terrorists? Not all terrorists are Muslim and it is not people who read the quran that are the problem, it is people who twist and pervert its content to justify violence. This is the same thing that many people on landover do. If you don’t believe me look at the links above. The only difference between you and these “fundamentalist terrorists” is they act and you just sit around spewing that putrid sorry ass excuse for religion all over these forums.

Well, back to the moon. I am not going to post much scientific evidence on this form because I don’t need to. For one you have already admitted in your last post that I have math, evidence and science on my side. Secondly, There are countless books, websites or people (not to mention photographs and videos of the moon, space, etc.) that can give you all the information needed to prove that the moon and the earth and the sun and all other stars and planets are all round things orbiting around each other in space. If you want to know more about a specific area of science I can try (I say try because there may be no hope left for someone as brain damaged as you are) to help explain it to you or provide a source of information that can.