[Elmer G. White]

Re: other planets do not exist!

...This is just scientific method at work...

Even if it is shown without a doubt that this planet doesn't exist, they are plenty of CONFIRMED exoplanets detected. http://phl.upr.edu/projects/habitabl...atalog/results

I think you are on the verge of reaching a valid point here, due to which I return to post in this thread, albeit it be futile.

Scientific method is exactly as you depicted it. Labile, whimsical, unsupportive. Believe me, I know, once Jesus touched me I first had to unlearn decades of scum, cesspits of false information that indoctrination had forced into me.

Science: labile, whimsical, never steady, uncertain, statistical, probabilities and improbabilities.

God: unchanging, consistent, certain, sure, 100% always.

The "planet" that miraculously disappeared was also once one of the "certain" ones as the secular scholars of Satan reported it. Now it never was "certain" but the rest of them supposedly are until the next re-evaluation of data, until ne next fad. In reality, they were never certain. Uncertainty is built into the godless world view of secular "science".

Certainty is built into the eternity of GOD.

That's the difference. But it is not only a difference between world views, it is THE difference between life infinite and eternal and its opposite.

Choosing GOD is not necessarily easy. It is not always consistent with secular logic, but why should it be?! God laughs at feeble human logic, although it may be a useful rational tool when one seeks Jesus and is still uncertain. Choosing God exposes one to ridicule and persecution and a thorough re-assessment of one's deepest views on the world and "cosmos". A reconsidered view of GOOD and EVIL emerges.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Matthew 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Rationality in the form of "science" can take us to the phenonmenon you described: constant insecurity and re-moulding of not only scientific "truths", such as this vanished "planet", but also regarding human conduct, suitable and abominable deeds, i.e., SIN.

1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Here you can see: FAITH > SCIENCE. Always. And remembering this, all observations suddenly fit very well within the True, Real, Biblical view of the material world.

And yes, the Word IS True:

Jeremiah 36:2
Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.

You may, once again, resort to ridiculing our Faith and the True Emotion of having Jesus Christ within one's heart, always close, always comforting, always awesome in His fearsome glory. You may attempt to hurt us by referring to this emotion by vile homersexual innuendos. That does not really advance your cause, it alienates you further from the possibility of SALVATION, and, I am truly sorry to say, makes it more difficult to pray for you, although I promise I'll keep going no matter what atrocities you might say to us. Because we do this for LOVE. Because what awaits you is fearsome and unnecessary.

II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

It is not really about "planets", is it? Your craving for Jesus must be enormous and you must be aching for His touch.

1st Corinthians 3:20
again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Your point?

Anyway.
Did you really read the article? This is just scientific method at work.

Woo....first they talk about "potentially habitable Planet" and they are all the time unsure of its existance. Oh yes, I know that lying is scientific method at work.

It is quite ridiculous that people who call themself "scientists" base their opinions on something like that, something which existance is totally impossible to prove

2 Chronicles 20:20

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Even the secular scientists has sometimes admit this.

Do you remember news, when they told that they have found potentially habitable Planet with name Gliese 581 g (named after German astronomer, who was Nazi army soldier and many years in USSR prison)?

Now they have to admit that THE PLANET DOES NOT EXIST!!!

This is all fairytale. When do people wake and see that this "science" is Satan's diversion?

John 8: 43-45

Your point?

Anyway.
Did you really read the article? This is just scientific method at work. Simply put '' Most exoplanets are too close to their stars to be seen directly with telescopes, so astronomers find them with indirect clues. In the case of Gliese 581g, they watched for subtle wobbles caused by the gravity of an orbiting planet tugging back and forth on the star in a regular pattern. ''

If you read the article, they were unsure that it existed in the first place, they only had indirect clues. Peer review reinforced the idea that it might not exist '' Critics such as exoplanet expert Eric Ford, then at the University of Florida and now at Penn State, said that Butler's and Vogt's analysis was unconvincing, arguing that the pattern wasn't even clearly there. '' .

They clearly say they had problem to detect that planet in that system due to a phenomenon.

Even if it is shown without a doubt that this planet doesn't exist, they are plenty of COMFIRMED exoplanets detected. http://phl.upr.edu/projects/habitabl...atalog/results

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Even the secular scientists has sometimes admit this.

Do you remember news, when they told that they have found potentially habitable Planet with name Gliese 581 g (named after German astronomer, who was Nazi army soldier and many years in USSR prison)?

Now they have to admit that THE PLANET DOES NOT EXIST!!!

This is all fairytale. When do people wake and see that this "science" is Satan's diversion?

John 8: 43-45

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: other planets do not exist!

There were literally HUNDREDS of religions that pre-date Christianity.

Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Shintoism, Animism, Celtic-Druidic, Native American shamanism, Norse and a host of others.

All of them burning in hell for following false gods over the True one God that created everything about 6000 years ago.

GLORY!

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

To name "planets" as gods and to worship them, devoting one's life to their study and doing whatever they command, is very offensive to me.

In your study of Greek culture and society you seem to have missed the—I must say rather obvious—point that "Christian" comes from the Greek word Christ. According to their grammar the noun takes an ending according to case giving us Christos so anyway, how come the Greeks had a word for "Christ" in their language all ready for describing Jesus?

The New Testament was not translated into Greek, it was written Greek and it was not necessary to invent any new words.

Yet even knowing what The Christ meant (they had a word for it) and being able to identify Jesus as The Christ they mocked him with idols and planets and temple orgies and a range of other activities (such as their made-up "science" and "philosophies" and obligatory stints as temple prostitutes from which not even the nobility were excused).

Now a busy seaport is a great place for social experiments. Many different nationalities are available. Satan must like being glorified simultaneously with so many tongues and weird ptactices and bizarre theories about the sky, or about Hades or the best way to get intoxicated and Ephesus would be a good example of that.

ACTS 19
1a–b And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus:
18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
KJV .. context

These are the books of so-called "Greek learning" which are all either idolatrous or atheistic and which in either case celebrate demons. Did you notice in verse 20 that mightily grew the word of God and prevailed? It didn't fizzle out. It prevailed. And before long ALL the Greek schools of "philosophy" were shut down for good and their vain deceits were extinguished.

One such vain deceit is the planetolatry which, to our cost, has re-emerged not only in the minds of neo-Pythagoreans (whith their idiotic triangles cooked up in the 6th century BC) but throughout the gutter press with horoscopes and astrological predictions and promotion of good dates to try your luck down at the local dockyard. They think Jesus doesn't know, or doesn't care or even approves!! but when Jesus returns He will be attending to all such wretches just as, by Grace, He dealt with those dreadful books, all those years ago.

COLOSSIANS 2
6–7 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9–10a For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him
20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
KJV .. context

Would you like to be rooted? No longer tossed about, disconsolate in an ocean beyond your comprehension? Jesus brings that very fulfilment so that you may be complete. Come to Him today.

First of all, there was many religions before christianity.

There were literally HUNDREDS of religions that pre-date Christianity.

Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Shintoism, Animism, Celtic-Druidic, Native American shamanism, Norse and a host of others. Judaism encompassed a small percentage of the world's population when the Jesus myth happened.

The reason alot of astronomical object have greeks name is because Greek astronomy is characterized from the start by seeking a rational, physical explanation for celestial phenomena, they discovered what we call today stars, asteroids, constellations and planets. Indeed, bronze age robe wearing men had a better understanding than you of our universe, which says alot.

Christós not word/name that defines Jesus at all. It was simply given to Jesus as a Title. It's simply a translation of the Hebrew equivalent for Messiah in a Christian context. Christós is clearly translated to ' anointed ' , which definition is : To anoint is to pour or smear with perfumed oil, milk, water, melted butter or other substances, a process employed ritually by many religions.. Many other religions before Christianity made us of anointment, such as ancient egypt.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Since Christians did not exist when the Greeks named the planets, I don't think they were named "just to offend us Christians".

To name "planets" as gods and to worship them, devoting one's life to their study and doing whatever they command, is very offensive to me.

In your study of Greek culture and society you seem to have missed the—I must say rather obvious—point that "Christian" comes from the Greek word Christ. According to their grammar the noun takes an ending according to case giving us Christos so anyway, how come the Greeks had a word for "Christ" in their language all ready for describing Jesus?

The New Testament was not translated into Greek, it was written Greek and it was not necessary to invent any new words.

Yet even knowing what The Christ meant (they had a word for it) and being able to identify Jesus as The Christ they mocked him with idols and planets and temple orgies and a range of other activities (such as their made-up "science" and "philosophies" and obligatory stints as temple prostitutes from which not even the nobility were excused).

Now a busy seaport is a great place for social experiments. Many different nationalities are available. Satan must like being glorified simultaneously with so many tongues and weird ptactices and bizarre theories about the sky, or about Hades or the best way to get intoxicated and Ephesus would be a good example of that.

ACTS 19
1a–b And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus:
18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
KJV .. context

These are the books of so-called "Greek learning" which are all either idolatrous or atheistic and which in either case celebrate demons. Did you notice in verse 20 that mightily grew the word of God and prevailed? It didn't fizzle out. It prevailed. And before long ALL the Greek schools of "philosophy" were shut down for good and their vain deceits were extinguished.

One such vain deceit is the planetolatry which, to our cost, has re-emerged not only in the minds of neo-Pythagoreans (whith their idiotic triangles cooked up in the 6th century BC) but throughout the gutter press with horoscopes and astrological predictions and promotion of good dates to try your luck down at the local dockyard. They think Jesus doesn't know, or doesn't care or even approves!! but when Jesus returns He will be attending to all such wretches just as, by Grace, He dealt with those dreadful books, all those years ago.

COLOSSIANS 2
6–7 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9–10a For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him
20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
KJV .. context

Would you like to be rooted? No longer tossed about, disconsolate in an ocean beyond your comprehension? Jesus brings that very fulfilment so that you may be complete. Come to Him today.

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Wut?

Also, yes, you can praise Jesus' name without making it sound homoerotical. Hahahaha

[Didymus Much]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I think you guys are pervert...

Wasn't there someone here just the other day claiming that only perverts see perversion everywhere they go?

...I just believe there is other ways, more proper ways, to praise Jesus' name.

Aside from the Bible?

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Clean your mind and fall down on your knees in front of The Lord!!!

I think you guys are pervert. I just believe there is other ways, more proper ways, to praise Jesus' name.

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Finaly. That sounds very homoerotical.

Now stop there boy!
Don't You mix your filthy thoughts with a speech where a True Christian is trying to teach you about Jesus!!!

Why are you here, if you throw away the possibility to praise God eternally standing and singing hymns in white clothes in front of His Throne!

Do you really want to go to Hell?

Clean your mind and fall down on your knees in front of The Lord!!!

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Dear Boy,

How nice of you to continue providing us with excellent examples of fallacious arguments.

This time it is the indirect ad hominem or the tu quoque.

Instead of answering the post of Brother Alphonse, you simply accuse him of the same thinking pattern that you exhibit. Actually, Brother Alphonse's potential misgivings (which, I can ensure you, are inexistent) are not at all relevant (even if they did exist which they don't) regarding your potential deficiencies.

The tu quoque is the fallacy of the school yard:

Little boy #1: You should not believe all you read.
Little boy #2: No. You should not believe it. You are stupid. (<- Tu quoque is here)

Of course, there are lots and lots of proof for Biblical accuracy (as an example, I refer you to a thread I commented on recently) for those who look and contemplate without previous indoctrination and prejudice.

Still, this discussion is not very promising. I think the state of your soul has been so corrupted by the secular fallacy that rational arguments do not find their way through your defenses. I think I can serve your case better by prayer.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Alright, let's debunk the link your shared.

1 and 3. Eyewitness testimony and fulfilled prophecies : There's no proofs for alot of things that happened in the bible ( Flood, god's destruction, miracles, in general all supernatural events ). But in your words, the bible have many biblical accuracies, but there's alot of inaccuracies in the bible too. Such as many contradictions . Many failed prophecies . Many flaws in '' biblical science '' .

2: Personal experiences doesn't make something fact or real.

4: That's a statement out of ignorance. There was many religions before christianity, such as Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Shintoism, Animism, Celtic-Druidic, Native American shamanism, Norse, ect. Also, not everyone was illiterate in bronze age.

5: Evolution is a scientific theory which has been tested and verified many times under the rigourous trial of the scientific method. A simple way to defeat your strawman argument is to use your own words : The bible has many contradictions, failed biblical prophecies and flaws in biblical science, should we trust it? You're right, we can't prove how a god was created or if he always existed. But there's also no scientific evidences and empirical evidences that he exists.

Finaly.

But after Jesus takes you in His arms and enters you forcibly and fills you with His mighty essence, all the above becomes secondary to His presence and His Word!

That sounds very homoerotical.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: other planets do not exist!

You know, I could say the same to you: Don't just blindly believe everything you read.

Dear Boy,

How nice of you to continue providing us with excellent examples of fallacious arguments.

This time it is the indirect ad hominem or the tu quoque.

Instead of answering the post of Brother Alphonse, you simply accuse him of the same thinking pattern that you exhibit. Actually, Brother Alphonse's potential misgivings (which, I can ensure you, are inexistent) are not at all relevant (even if they did exist which they don't) regarding your potential deficiencies.

The tu quoque is the fallacy of the school yard:

Little boy #1: You should not believe all you read.
Little boy #2: No. You should not believe it. You are stupid. (<- Tu quoque is here)

Of course, there are lots and lots of proof for Biblical accuracy (as an example, I refer you to a thread I commented on recently) for those who look and contemplate without previous indoctrination and prejudice.

Still, this discussion is not very promising. I think the state of your soul has been so corrupted by the secular fallacy that rational arguments do not find their way through your defenses. I think I can serve your case better by prayer.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I know, you can't see how blind you are. You should once try to think for yourself and not just blindly believe everything you read. That is why Jesus made you come to this forum. You have been fooled by these secular lies for so long, but now you are starting to see the light.

GLORY!

You know, I could say the same to you: Don't just blindly believe everything you read.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Oh the irony.

I know, you can't see how blind you are. You should once try to think for yourself and not just blindly believe everything you read. That is why Jesus made you come to this forum. You have been fooled by these secular lies for so long, but now you are starting to see the light.

GLORY!