[lilpentecostalgirl (Quarantined)]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

No I marryin my girlfriend. She a Christian AND a Goth. She's also a Jewish so we getting married in a Chapel.

An masterbashion only if you don't eat it. If u eat ur own sperum it goes back into ur balls, so it not a sin at all. My daddy told me that.

You can not be a Christian and a goth! And that looks like you, so your in love with yourself?

[lilpentecostalgirl (Quarantined)]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

Thanx duder but I not need any spellchgecker or any that p*ssy homo sh*t. I dont want to pretty u[p ma words like some sissy fag homo. I wan my riting to be as raw an brutal as possib;le. I want to spell as bad as possible and never check any of it becauise I am kVlt and troo. Troo to my roots, homie. I wouldn be in a black metal band if I wanted to rite like a little sissy girl. I wear leather and spikes an put on black polish to my nails an wear make-up because I a real man.

No you sound like a sissy like a homer! Real men don't have to wear makeup your disgusting!

[Mr Godwin]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

Yes, hasn't the Lord taken care of you in you hour of need Sister Noddy?

Well I would caution you, Pastor BJ. My mother tends to cry easily. You want to be careful about that. You get my meaning? Really a peculiar little creature, she is. She doesn't do it for the sympathy. She just does it, that's what. She's just naturally that way. You want to be careful with her nevertheless. Women are mysterious beings, Pastor BJ, that's what.

But at least she's never had a gender-identity problem. I'll say that much for Noddy. She knows she's a girl. Unlike some of the unsaved trash we know around here. You get my meaning? This part of your post on the cheese woman certainly says it all.

... we would expect Chuckie Cheese relatives would have the poor girl out on the streets selling her body to passerby. Probably black men considering her huge behind. No wonder she likes to pretend she is a man, secularist are so cruel to women ...

Perhaps we could help the cheesy one along in her struggle to accept Jesus. Or perhaps not. Women are mysterious beings, that's what.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

This thread seemed to take a vicious left turn right around the middle of post number one, got enmeshed in idiocy when we hit the Borg (who are fictional, but are symbolic of Godless commies, who are unfortunately all too real), descended to the very lowest depths of Hell with the whole masturbation/mastication discussion, and only now seems to have re-emerged into the daylight by focusing on the salvation of one very deeply troubled she-male.

I thought I might try to turn us toward the original topic, time travel. Now, I don't know how to travel through time. I know that God does know, but I don't expect that he's going to pass the secret on to me, so I can't really say much about the feasibility of time travel. However, the original question was what do we True Christians(TM) think about time travel, and that is a very illuminating question, indeed.

My answer is that I would be all for it. Can you imagine the thrill of listening to Jesus preach the Sermon on the Mount (sure, you'd need to learn Aramaic, but it's gotta be worth it--and you'd know in advance which words you'd need to learn), or witnessing the miracle of the loaves, or walking with Paul as he was blinded by the light, or watching the good King David torture the Ammonite children by sawing off their limbs and burning them alive in brick kilns for the Lord (2 Samuel 12:31), or telling Noah that he should build an Ark about a day before God delivered the instructions? Sure, you and your kids can relive these events at the Landover Bible Theme Park and Red Sea World amusement park (well, maybe not the Noah thing),* but I guess I'm a bit of a traditionalist at heart.

I'd even be happy going back to the 17th Century or so, back to a time when faith was pure and simple and all-encompassing, without all of today's evolutionist, old earth noncreationist, vulgar T-shirt wearing, no witch-burning secularism to stand in the way. Now those were times fit for a Godly man or woman to live in!

Even better, imagine skipping forward 30 or 40 years to see Christ's triumphant return to the Earth (though that would be a pretty short trip, since I'd be raptured right out). Or maybe skipping straight through to the Millenium, where faith will be pure and simple and all-encompassing, without all of today's evolutionist, old earth noncreationist, vulgar T-shirt wearing, secularism to stand in the way--and, of course, no witches around, so no need to burn them. Glory!

* Just a hint, be sure to go on the It's a Flat World ride when you're there. That theme song will stay with you forever.
It's a flat world af-ter all
It's a flat world af-ter all
It's a flat world af-ter all
It's a flat, flat, flat, flat world

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

Brother Ahimaaz, thank you for bringing this thread back to its topic.

Secular science opines that God made the universe out of fabric. It is not stretch-nylon, but instead a fabric woven of space and time. It is (like God) ultimately flexible.

Theoretically one could bend spacetime around so that one could create a tunnel or tube leading back to a prior location in spacetime.

However, the damned obstructionist physicists seem to think that one could only construct such a tunnel if one could get ahold of "exotic matter" and use it to keep the tunnel from collapsing. Thus time-travel in the secular world may be theoretically possible but in practice impossible.

Of course, with God anything is possible. If God wants to skootch you back to 1 BC to watch the unfolding drama of Jesus then He could do that.

~~ OEJ

[Talitha]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

Getting back to the subject:
What do I think about Time Travel?

I already told you next week, you Homer

[The Black Lion]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

You bitchezzzz,

So what do ya all Bible hump dumpers think about time travel? Is it against the Bible or what?

Assuming the universe is composed of matter - matter being all mediums that are manifest, observable, and/or subject to our perception within the physical realm of definition - and all matter is inherently made of the same material, no matter what form it takes be it photons, energy, force, waves, atoms, heat, gravitation, etc. it is nonetheless a configuration of the same basic material. The differences we perceive in matter being a reflection of out own senses' impressions of reality.

Maintaining this assumption dictates that matter, our physical reality, is an illusion. Matter is constantly in a state of change. Imagine a chair sitting in the corner of a room. That chair, physically speaking, is moving and changing at every moment and it 1000 years maybe that same matter that composed the chair, the room, and the air within the room will compose the physical form of a leopard, a patch of grass, and maybe a portion of a river.

With that being said it stands to reason that the concept of time is illusionary; The result of memory and the limitations of human consciousness. For time to exist as a concrete reality one would have to suppose that the past has a tangible reality of its own which would further dictate that there are infinite copies of every individual, every atoms, down to the very basic component of material manifestation in order to account for every moment of time.

My conclusion is that time travel is impossible because time does not exist as a tangible reality.

[ChuckieGirl666]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

My conclusion is that time travel is impossible because time does not exist as a tangible reality.

WTF...LOL...OMG...LULZZZ.... What an asshat! Dude, you are WAY wrong!

I know time travel lik totally possible, cos I had visit from my futur self. He was way cooler than I am now, an lik totally smart an stuff. Told me I promote to manager of Subway stor I work in 6 year time, how cool is that? Yay! My futur self also punch me hard in the mouth... don know what that was for... tho he said I kno in the futur!

Hows about I tell my futur self to fly back in time till, lik, befor u send that message, an punch u in the mouth too?!! What u think of that then, smartguy??

[ChuckieGirl666]

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[quote=ChuckieGirl666;156038]..I am retardedZZ. /quote]

Hey! I never wrote that! I wrote LVLZZZ .... some asshat changed my LVLZZZ to "I am retarded"

What up with that????



Remember to sign my Petition agains this evil Xtian Nazi dictator asshats that trying to silence my rights to freedorm of speech-
http://www.petitiononline.com/asshats/petition.html

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

My conclusion is that time travel is impossible because time does not exist as a tangible reality.

Considering the construct of the human brain is entirely cause-effect driven, perhaps from an alternative perspective which does not have this limitation can achieve the feat of what, from our perspective, is time travel.

That is the problem with atheists today, the problem is the human mind isn't all that great, that is why we trust in the perfect God.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

The differences we perceive in matter being a reflection of out own senses' impressions of reality.

We perceive differences in different kinds of matter because God make different kinds of matter differently.

Maintaining this assumption dictates that matter, our physical reality, is an illusion.

Why would we maintain such a stupid assumption? And, even if it were true (which it isn't), how would you suggest we act differently? Don't know about you, but I'm not jumping off any tall buildings on the assumption that the ground that would kill me if real really doesn't exist.

Matter is constantly in a state of change.

Some matter never changes. One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. Ecclesiastes 1:4

Imagine a chair sitting in the corner of a room.

Chairs can be sat upon, but I don't see how they can do the sitting.

With that being said it stands to reason that the concept of time is illusionary

You just said that a leopard used to be a chair. You can't make time any more concrete than that. Time is precisely the thing that makes chairs different from leopards.

The result of memory and the limitations of human consciousness.

Memory works only from the future to the past. That means that time has an existence beyond the illusory. Again, your arguments are proving the exact opposite of what you think you are proving.

For time to exist as a concrete reality one would have to suppose that the past has a tangible reality of its own which would further dictate that there are infinite copies of every individual, every atoms, down to the very basic component of material manifestation in order to account for every moment of time.

Or one copy that simply flows through time. Where are you getting these ridiculous notions? This tripe you're spewing sounds like the kind of drivel that Deepak Chopra spouts.

My conclusion is that time travel is impossible because time does not exist as a tangible reality.

Since you have no idea how to construct a logical argument, nobody cares what your conclusion is. Try again in the future, if you can work out a better argument (and, of course, if the future exists).

Considering the construct of the human brain is entirely cause-effect driven

Not so. The human brain is primarily good-evil driven.

perhaps from an alternative perspective which does not have this limitation can achieve the feat of what, from our perspective, is time travel

perhaps from an alternative perspective pigs have wings, but I'm not believing in it unless you show me some proof, first. If you want to pass your philosophy courses, you're going to have to at least try to make arguments that don't rest on unprovable premises.

That is the problem with atheists today

The problem with athiests, today and yesterday and tomorrow, is that they have rejected God.

the problem is the human mind isn't all that great, that is why we trust in the perfect God.

We trust in the perfect God because He is a perfect God, and he has never steered us wrong before.

So, to summarize, Black Lion draws incorrect conclusions from ludicrous and generally meaningless premises, just like the con man Deepak Chopra, whereas Falso at least reaches the right conclusion, even if his arguments are suspect. Bottom line, a thing isn't true just because somebody says it is true.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

Not so. The human brain is primarily good-evil driven.

Scripture? And, even if the scripture does say that, we are still set up in terms of cause and effect even if it is to be noted as secondary, rather then primary.

perhaps from an alternative perspective pigs have wings, but I'm not believing in it unless you show me some proof, first. If you want to pass your philosophy courses, you're going to have to at least try to make arguments that don't rest on unprovable premises.

Black Lion proposed a conclusion that time travel is impossible, for that to be valid, it must be a tautology, I proved it was not a tautology (ie he says: impossible, i prove: possible) and that is a successful use of logic.

The problem with athiests, today and yesterday and tomorrow, is that they have rejected God.

Amen, they have the problem that human brains aren't all that great at answering the important questions, and because they have rejected God, they get stuck.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

Scripture?

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.... And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:9

Adam and Eve completely ignored the consequences to achieve the knowledge of good and evil, and the effect of that act still shapes our lives today. Anyway, I don't see anything in the Bible about the tree of cause and effect. What's your scriptural basis for saying that man is primarily concerned with cause and effect?

And, even if the scripture does say that, we are still set up in terms of cause and effect even if it is to be noted as secondary, rather then primary.

I never disputed that proposition. Sin without salvation, and you go to Hell. It doesn't get more cause-and-effecty than that. But I don't love the Lord for fire insurance, I love the Lord because He is a good being worthy of my love.

Black Lion proposed a conclusion that time travel is impossible, for that to be valid, it must be a tautology, I proved it was not a tautology (ie he says: impossible, i prove: possible) and that is a successful use of logic.

Black Lion stripped the words time travel of all meaning by proposing that time does not exist. That's not a refutation by demonstration of tautology, it's simply a complete begging of the question. It's like saying there is no difference between good and evil if there is no God--I agree with the proposition, just as I agree that it is not possible to travel through something (like time, if we accept Black Lion's view) that does not exist, but the premise is simply false.

Amen, they have the problem that human brains aren't all that great at answering the important questions, and because they have rejected God, they get stuck.

And yet we True Christians™, and even you, found Jesus. Perhaps you're right, Christians do have superior minds, but I'd say that the Apostles and the Landover Pastors were all human, yet all have had brains that were exquisitely proficient in answering the important questions correctly.

[The Black Lion]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

Note: I would not debate the relevance of Biblical scripture no more than I would attempt to debate the probability of a person of faith to make mountains jump into the sea. Belief in such things stems from blind acceptance and not reason making an actual debate impossible.

Mr. Smith,

Don't know about you, but I'm not jumping off any tall buildings on the assumption that the ground that would kill me if real really doesn't exist.

You misunderstand my position. I am not stating that the laws of physics do not exist. I do not state that matter does not exists nor do I state that matter does not interact with matter. My position is that the shapes and forms that matter takes within the physical reality are temporary configurations that I classify as illusionary because they can change or un-become at any moment, in the context of an Objective Truth. An Objective Truth being something that is and forever will be.

For instance, if you point to a mass of material designated as an oak chair and state that it is an oak chair I can disagree with you. All I would have to do is toss that material into a fire or smash it into pieces. At that point it is no longer a chair. The oak chair exists as an Objective Truth only in concept, but not materially. The designation of matter as a "chair" is a product of the subjective conditioning of our ego. I could also designate it as club and beat people with it.

You just said that a leopard used to be a chair. You can't make time any more concrete than that. Time is precisely the thing that makes chairs different from leopards.

The concept of "past" is based solely in memory. The past is not a tangible reality.

The material that composed an oak chair can be recycled, per say, and come to incorporate the physical form of a leopard, yes. However, it is not time that dictates change from a seemingly inanimate object to a biological organism. It is the deformation and subsequent reformation of matter in this constant moment. Your psyche stores impressions related to the previous material configurations you have sensually experienced. We call these stored impressions memories. However, the previous configuration of said material does not exist as a distinctly separate entity from that very same material in the present moment.

In order for time to exist the oak chair must still exist despite the leopard. A point in time would require a tangible reality distinct from the present moment in order that a person could travel to it. Furthermore, there must be an indefinite amount of copies of that chair in order to account for every single moment in time from the formation of the chair to its deformation.

Or one copy that simply flows through time.

Are you postulating that matter and time are one and the same? In which case, in order to move backwards in this co-called time-matter, the entire spectrum of material reality would have to simultaneously revert to an earlier stage. One individual object could not revert to a previous state without simultaneously drawing everything else around it into a past state with it in a domino effect. This is because its previous material configuration, material composition, and even the previous environments in which it existed would constitute matter that in the present moment is incorporated into different configurations. To reach the identical previous state in time-matter would require the previous identical matter. Recall that matter is in constant flux.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: What do you Bible humpers think about time-travel??

TheBlackLion: "Are you postulating that matter and time are one and the same?"

Physics: Einstein's general field equation unites time and space in a single tensor expression: a metric tensor. (Actually, tensor transformations for spacetime predate Einstein's General Relativity by 15 or 20 years. See Lorentz transformation for some good visualizations.)

Time, like space, is changed by physical conditions like gravity. This is not a philosophical assertion but a well-established experimental fact.

Therefore time is a property of the universe. The universe is not made of matter; it is made of spacetime, which can be described by the equations of general relativity. Your assertion that "time is illusory" is inconsistent with real-world physics.

(It may be that matter will be found to be "nodules" or "vibrational modes" of a dimensional manifold which includes spacetime, in which case the universe may be composed only of that multidimensional manifold, expressed in various forms.)

While your post is thoughtful, what you are describing has no physical significance with respect to time travel. What you are describing is the human mental inability to perceive time on the same footing as we perceive the three spatial dimensions. (Indeed, the equations of tensor transformations also treat the time dimension differently from the three spatial dimensions; if you went to the Lorentz transformations page on Wikipedia you will notice that the change in the time dimension is multiplied by the constant c, for instance.)

The physics which describe the "real" Universe have no difficulty describing time, and can be used to define the physical possibilities of travel through time. The past exists as certainly and as physically as Red Hook, New Jersey exists. We just can't get from here to the past without distorting spacetime in very difficult ways. Read the book Black Holes and Time Warps: Einstein's Outrageous Legacy by physicist Kip Thorne for a good layman's description of just this material.

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Astronomer Gerardus Bouw has described God's position as being located "outside" the Universe, which is to say "outside" spacetime. God may perceive time as a physical dimension just as we perceive, say, distance in the x direction. He can reach back to Gibeah before the fall of the Benjaminites, give a dung-carrier named Japha Biznis a nasty disease, and then reach forward to Jessica Throgmorton, President of Greater New California in 2145, and give her a nasty disease. Just another dimension, God thinks, sighing. A bit of miraculous suffering here, a couple of minor dispensations of grace there.

Interestingly, the Earth itself is motionless with respect to the Throne of God, as Bouw has demonstrated through scriptural analysis.

As far as I know he has not provided equations demonstrating either how the coordinate system of the Throne of God couples with the coordinate system of the Universe, nor how God's will couples with the particles described in the standard description of quantum physics.

No doubt God will help him solve these problems tout de suite, as God is the primary inspiration of physicists everywhere and everywhen.

~~ OEJ