[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

You a doctor or did God just zap a medical degree straight into your head!

Nope. Just a True Christian™ mother. I know naughty behavior when I see it and yours was a bit too manic to just be naughty.

No you are right, I shouldn't skip my medication

Of course I am, and no, you shouldn't.

Sorry, I do not mean to be rude in reply. But I still can't accept your words because your church says women are too stupid for religious debate and scientific stuff. Doesn't that bother you? You obviously think you are smarter than that or you wouldn't bother posting here.

Son, if you actually had read any of the Holy Bible, you'd know the reason for women to keep quiet in church isn't because they're "too stupid." It's because a woman can't be trusted, being created too curious for our own good. The first woman who offered her opinion was Eve. Her advice brought sin and death into the world. I can't help that I was created with a rebellious streak any more than I can help being born with perfect skin and lovely blonde hair.

Well, I can't explain it as well as this fine pastor who explains just why getting one's theology from a woman is dangerous. He explains the reason your soul is damned to Hell is because Adam listened to theology from a woman. The reason Christ died on the cross to pay the debt of your sins is because a woman's theology damned the world. This isn't a matter of being "stupid" son, it's a matter of eternal life or death. Anyway, watch and learn (and please don't be put off by the insulting title of the video):

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You probably are actually far smarter than these idiotic men Fagan and this other jerk off. And that Papist 'swears hi is not gay but is' fella. You can't possible be as much of a crook either - I find women tend to be far more caring and thoughtful than us men.

These True Christian™ men you talk of are true Ambassadors for Christ. (2 Corinthians 5:20) You would do well to ponder their words carefully.

I was hoping so anyway, so apologies for the joke but point remains. And I pray that your husband never beats you or treats you like an Ox. Hopefully you were not the victim of correctional rape or some other horrific atrocity that offends Jesus.

God bless.

My husband is also a True Christian™ man and never beats me but chooses a Godly spanking as his preferred discipline. For that I am grateful, for he also is an Ambassador of Christ and treats me with all due respect as the weaker vessel I am. (1 Peter 3:7)

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

THIS is the only Bible I can take seriously, not some modern day version.

Put your money where your mouth is. Start quoting from that then, and if you think we are somehow biblically incorrect, show it!

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Yeah, good one. As we can't see when you are online. Anyway, you are again missing the point. This is a Christian forum, we follow the bible. If you want to be relevant, post a relevant scripture. It is very simple, if you do not follow the bible, you are not a Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Vulgate

THIS is the only Bible I can take seriously, not some modern day version. A bit like that Transformers film, all glitzy and new but the 80s original were so much better.

See though because it is written in ancient Greek you need an education to be able to read it at all. So I guess not a single person in NJ has read this. They just have this new fancy English adapted version, and previous to 1600 obviously didn't even bother reading one at all.

It is the nearest thing to an ORIGINAL VERSION the world has to offer. The King James version dates back to the 1600s which was like 500 years ago! So no better than the Koran which just beats it age wise being 700 years or so.

So you are again shown to be incorrect, and your guesswork belies your blunted wit.

True Christians don't feel the need to go around awarding themselves immature and offensive badges like TELL HER ONCE, since BLESSED ARE THE MEEK. Neither would they claim to hate another man or group of men as HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CASTS THE FIRST STONE and of course Jesus says nobody should throw. Not even him which is all telling. Perhaps he is more human than you know. I like to think so but we shall never know until the end of our time here.

TRUE Christians would not go around calling people gay this gay that and selling off their grandma/12yr old child as if they are blocks of gold or something. No this is what ORGANISED GANGS do when they take advantage of positions of power against the weak.

Like Landover Baptism is doing to each and every one of it's followers.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

(Still no answers to the Jesus was Jewish thing then?? OK).

Here is very simple answer. Jesus is not a joo.

And I never quote scriptures this is the territory of hypocrites who think they are perfect, even though NO HUMAN IS BETTER THAN THE NEXT apart from the ones whom Jesus deems worthy. So not you OR I or any of us because we only find out after we die.

That is because you are not a Christian. Because you do not follow the bible, you will end up in hell.

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Yeah, good one. As we can't see when you are online. Anyway, you are again missing the point. This is a Christian forum, we follow the bible. If you want to be relevant, post a relevant scripture. It is very simple, if you do not follow the bible, you are not a Christian.

(Still no answers to the Jesus was Jewish thing then?? OK)

You must be getting dumber and dumber as the world turns! LOL I mean this is just obvious isn't it?

You can see when my PHONE is online yes, though as it stays in my pocket most of the day you don't know if I am looking at it or not.

So no, you don't know when I am here unless I say so. And I am quite sure it says NOWHERE in the Bible that True Christians with a daft TM sign REPRESENT JESUS!

Last time I checked he was the SON OF GOD and can easily represent himself. I would never suggest you let a maggot represent you, so why would Jesus let a maggot represent him???

LOLOLOLOL seriously one day you will look back at this conversation and wonder what the hell you were doing for so long before you started agreeing the truth of it


And I never quote scriptures this is the territory of hypocrites who think they are perfect, even though NO HUMAN IS BETTER THAN THE NEXT apart from the ones whom Jesus deems worthy. So not you OR I or any of us because we only find out after we die.

And that is that...

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Son, I say this in Christian Love - you should not be skipping your meds.

You a doctor or did God just zap a medical degree straight into your head! No you are right, I shouldn't skip my medication which is why I have this cup of tea here. It's the only tonic I touch! Just what the doctor ordered.



Sorry, I do not mean to be rude in reply. But I still can't accept your words because your church says women are too stupid for religious debate and scientific stuff. Doesn't that bother you? You obviously think you are smarter than that or you wouldn't bother posting here.

You probably are actually far smarter than these idiotic men Fagan and this other jerk off. And that Papist 'swears hi is not gay but is' fella. You can't possible be as much of a crook either - I find women tend to be far more caring and thoughtful than us men.

I was hoping so anyway, so apologies for the joke but point remains. And I pray that your husband never beats you or treats you like an Ox. Hopefully you were not the victim of correctional rape or some other horrific atrocity that offends Jesus.

God bless.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

I don't like YOU people because of what you represent to this world. Nothing but trouble.

You're mistaken, friend. Mr. Briscoe is a True Christian™ man, and as such represents Christ Himself, in all His Glory!

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2 Corinthians 5:20

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Hello back again!

Yeah, good one. As we can't see when you are online. Anyway, you are again missing the point. This is a Christian forum, we follow the bible. If you want to be relevant, post a relevant scripture. It is very simple, if you do not follow the bible, you are not a Christian.

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

We're still waiting on the evidence you supposedly have.....

I'm having trouble understanding why you bother to preach about Jesus...

Have you ever sat down and challenged your own beliefs?

There is some starters for your search for truth, evidence on the web that could lead you to REAL evidence in the world. Good evidence is only ever found in this way, not just read about. Jacob said he fought God, he told the author of the bible this; so it's third hand information.

God never told you and neither did the Bible that God wrestled Jacob it clearly says he WRESTLED A MAN and then after, Jacob says oh he won so it must have been God lolol. Seriously consider that for a minute.

I am not preaching about Jesus either, I am telling you off because you keep saying to me XXX REPLACE WITH RUBBISH XXX and saying ohh God says this, God does this. YOU are the ones preaching a load of made up nonsense! And I am not talking about the KJB either, for that's just a good read or a storybook with morals included and though provoking scenes for children to discuss at school.

The Bible is a book, so it can never be good or bad. It is just a list of words that some men recorded so we could know of them after their deaths. The only reasons THEY preach through the Bible is because they didn't want to die and be forgotten to history .... And look what they managed those clever guys! Shame they didn't leave a name.

No the bad part which I don't like, is not Jesus, not God, not even followers of anti-Christianity, this mutation of a religion tainted by greedy and evil men such as Mr Fagan and yourself.

I don't like YOU people because of what you represent to this world. Nothing but trouble.

Lastly, I question my own beliefs every single time I make a decision as this is my SPIRITUAL RESPONSIBILITY bearing in mind the huge power I was given at birth, by Jesus being born healthy tall nice looking and clever into a rich famliy. So this is why I bother missioning and helping the needy. Just because I am here and I can, and there are millions of people just like you undoing all that good work and ruining his creation.

But then again I am able to be honest with myself. I don't think any of you could say the same infront of God because you would fill with the shame of a liar and a coward (which I have said you lot are all along).

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Hello back again!

incoherent manic babble

Son, I say this in Christian Love - you should not be skipping your meds.

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Hello back again!

good to see you didn't waste any time. Good good.

So I will start off by negating your first round of irrelevent points as usual, just to clear the way ahead.

1) I said I would SHOW you if you came here to the UK. I can barely reverse a lifetime of stupidity over the internet!!! How dumb are you?

You need to spent time effort and really want to find Jesus. I guess you couldn't care you just like being this big fish in a very small pond (of misled souls).

And if you were to come here and not cower like you are, fearful of the unknown - then I would gladly allow you access to all the evidence you would need. I know you would leave satisfied that your mistakes can quickly be reversed, maybe not 100% healed but you can at the very least atone for all your sins. properly like how Jesus told you not the way you seem to like.

2) I said from the off these three things, so it's about time you understood them properly, you must be trying to get it wrong because it is really easy and I know you are not as dumb as your previous responses suggest.

- Jesus and God GOOD yes I do believe in them both
- King James Bible GOOD yes I do like it but do not BELIEVE IN ITs truth
- Christianity GOOD yes I relate to strong Christian values

But not the ones you seem to think are Christian when they are opposed to the things Jesus said in the Bible.

3) STILL you fail to answer any of my questions which I repeat and repeat, which I can safely now assume ; is because you have no answer for the questions. Your bible can only get you so far when you are discussing current factual reality, to answer the questions I asked would have given you a better platform for your message.

So far your messages are things like animal cruelty being ok and God hates fags etc etc it's all very predictable and very very samey. You are like a clone of about 7000 other religions who all behave in an identical fashion to you, but get nowhere and are far from Godly.

But the evidence I spoke of I can tell you all about now if you like? I know you would like to see, so here are some details:

WORLD IS ROUNDED NOT FLAT -

http://www.smarterthanthat.com/astronomy/top-10-ways-to-know-the-earth-is-not-flat/

Basics are: The moon, that being the way it is, the tides, the seasons, night and day, eclipses of the sun and moon. All of it proves beyond doubt that the Earth is ovular - that is to say it is rounded with a slight bulge through the poles.

SAILING SHIPS ON THE HORIZON

Basics are: When you watch a boat sail away it appears to gradually 'FALL DOWN' below the line of the horizon as do the sun and the moon; which proves the Earth has an absolute gradient and is rounded.

STAR GAZING

Basics are: From timelapse video we can watch the stars appear to CIRCLE around the Earth in the sky. We know that this is because the earth is TURNING on it's axis BECAUSE IT IS ROUND.

SUNDIALS

Basics are: Back before Rolex watches, sundials helped us to tell the time. But if the world was indeed flat and didn't encircle our Sun, then the shadow would only move up and down as the sun would have to on one side of the flat Earth. Proving the world is rounded.

BETTER VISIBILITY AT HEIGHT

Basics are: If you climb a tall building you can see further out, because of the curvature of the Earths surface. Were it even moderately flat then this effect would disappear. Further undeniable proof.

FLYING PLANES AND TIME ZONES

Basics are: Travel abroad yourself, fly from one hemisphere to the other and you will see all you need to as proof.

DUSK AND DAWN

Basics are: If the world was flat then the entire world would get the same days and nights. But if I was stood in Japan at 4am in the dark, and called you in New Jersey (14 hours ahead) it would be 6pm and light. Again undeniable proof of the elipsical nature of the world.

OTHER PLANETS AND GRAVITY

Basics are: Gravity pulls towards the centre in a polar fashion the same way as if you made your own magnet system from lode rocks and string. You can try this with a flat board system to simulate flat Earth, and when you reach the edges all the stuff floats away. BECAUSE GRAVITY REQUIRES A ROUNDED EARTH no less. Proof again.


and that is just ONE thing you said the Bible tells us, the flat cornered earth claptrap.

And whilst it does say corners of the Earth in the bible it is not meant literally!!! Like when Jesus says turn the other cheek he doesn't actually mean you should turn your head to obey him!! Bloody fools for ever thinking this nonsense.

Anything else you would like me to teach you today?

[Bill R. Briscoe]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

We're still waiting on the evidence you supposedly have that completely negates the Bible and proves what Jesus "actually taught".

I'm having trouble understanding why you bother to preach about Jesus in the first place. You say you want to spread the love of Jesus around the world and that this is good work (something found in the Bible), then you say the Bible is rubbish and that some of the Koran should be mixed in there also. Do you know how ridiculous this sounds? That somehow preaching the love of Jesus Christ involves using the Koran?

Not only that, but you seem to think that teaching only the parts of Jesus' lessons that fit your own view of what is right/wrong is what is important. Why even bother using Jesus at all if it's your own moral compass you fly by? Don't you think this misrepresentation of Jesus is blasphemy in itself? I know you believe in blasphemy, you've used the term more than once.

Have you ever sat down and challenged your own beliefs? Every time you go off on one of your anger filled name calling posts, we True Christians™ think "I could ask him the very same question!"

One thing is for sure: Both of us want the same goal. To share the Truth® about Jesus to the world, and pray that they cleanse themselves of their sins and bask in the Glory of our Savior. The main difference is, we have an actual book that guides our every step that many people in this community follow to the letter, and you have your own brain that only you follow and try to force on others. That seems a bit selfish to me, but I'm not God. That's up to him to decide come judgment day.

I do know what the Word of God says about that, but you don't seem to hold the Bible in very high regard, so I will stop quoting it. I pray that you spend some time reflecting on your own beliefs, so that you too may see the beacon of hope that we at Landover provide for those who are lost without the true Word of Jesus.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

6 - 0 to common sense

Jesus says, follow all of the bible or burn in hell. Jesus wins again.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

work calls and by that I mean Christian work which is unpaid where I help those less fortunate than myself

I guess it's not really urgent, right?

[CommonSensei]

Re: Animals do not feel pain.

Summary of the first page of this thread:



Animals don't feel pain according to Dr lane Craig. But if you read the first 3 lines of the article it clearly states "But even though animals like dogs, cats, and horses experience pain, nevertheless the evidence is that they do not experience level (3), the awareness that they are in pain".

So yes they do experience pain, though without Level 3 would fail to be able to describe it. And let's be fair glass windows on cars in the road do not feel pain but that's no excuse to go smashing them all.

Also you do not need self awareness to experience pain. You may not know it is pain, or that you are you in pain - but you would still ache and feel it burn, and this would lower your mood and up your stress intake levels.

Then he goes on to say:

"Now that we know this we can use animals without guilt" and posted a picture of a cat that he had previously tortured. Poor thing looked beyond help.

So he uses the words of a scientist, to back up HIS version of the Bible so he can torture an animal "guilt-free". He then tries to tell everybody else to follow his example and ruthlessly attacks any naysayers.

I think that is 1 - 0 Common sense. Top goal too! Lol


So now you have watched Jack affront Jesus about 10 times in that first 5 minute post. Let's continue:

Pastor Ezekiel then interjects with WHO CARES ITS JUST ANIMALS and that the Holocaust is a hoax. Priceless. Lukeasekman suggests retard baiting fights, and a guy named ex-papist who begins his profile by saying "I am an ex mary hailer" which I think we all know means he is gay. Hmmm but he also hates gays. Priceless once more.

I nearly lost count from the quick fire scoring, but that is now....

6 - 0 to common sense;

So without needing to elaborate further - it is clear from your words and from mine on this forum.

You lot are no more good Christians than you are good thinkers. On either foil you surpass the barrier of stupidity, failing massively to impact on your own point and in the process, destroyed the credibility of your forum.

People can all see this and all believe it, whether or not they tell you so you can be sure that they all know deep down.

Your a phoney, and phoney people are like lost car keys.

They always get uncovered in the end, and then everybody goes "OH MY GOD IT WAS THERE ALL ALONG HOW STUPID MUST I BE TO HAVE MISSED IT".



Heheh I laugh but only because you guys don't understand a loving approach, just hate and bully tactics. first time I tried to come to you in peace you called me a gay something or other. So you don't respond to peer talking - just bullying.

Typically you think YOU are God, worshipping your own self as a false idol. Work was good thanks Jesus was pleased, he isn't a stranger to controversy so he knows what's going down here.

God help you all.