[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Where did the races come from?

So by your saying you can have X amount of change within a species but no more than that X amount?

I said nothing of the sort.

You're ridiculous, macro-evolution is just many micro-eolution over a long period of time.

No, microevolution and macroevolution are completely different things.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Where did the races come from?

Evolution does not even say that extinction must take million or thousands of years. Only evolution itselve.

I didn't know atheists believed evolution could talk. Does it have a male or a female voice? Or one of those robot voices?

Atheists, every time you think you have seen stupid, they send in someone like you.

[Peter Hofstadder]

Re: Where did the races come from?

You are absolutely wrong, friend, and this has been covered before. You need to stop smoking so much "dope" and learn to pay attention when people are talking to you.

Everyone knows that microevolution, or change within a kind, occurs. Microevolution is why we have teacup poodles, pesticide-resistant boll-weevils, and Eskimos. What evolutionists assume, but have NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for, is macroevolution, or one kind changing into another kind.

Noah only needed one pair of elephants to represent all of elephant kind. The African elephants, Asian elephants, and bush elephants we have today are micro-evolved from the original pair of elephants Noah had on board the ark. Noah didn't bring any mastodons or woolly mammoths on board the ark because he didn't need them. He already had some other representative of elephant kind.

Similarly, he only needed one pair of beetles, one pair of turtles, etc. to represent their kind. Nowhere does the Bible say that Noah had to gather two of each species of animal. The Bible says two of "every kind", which refers to a descendant of each original created animal.

This is just simple baraminology, but I have yet to meet an evolution-believer capable of grasping it.

Oh, but they're the smart ones.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

So by your saying you can have X amount of change within a species but no more than that X amount?

You're ridiculous, macro-evolution is just many micro-eolution over a long period of time.

Evolution does not even say that extinction must take million or thousands of years. Only evolution itselve.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Where did the races come from?

It would still be ridiculous large amount of animals on that one boat. Then you would also have to fit animals of different climates and biomes on one boat in one climate.

Why would he have had to do that? He could just have had temperate-zone representations of each kind, and then the polar and tropical animals we know today could have micro-evolved from those animals.

He would also have to fit all the animals' food on the boat.

I don't think you appreciate just how large the ark was. It was roughly the size of a modern destroyer.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[FalseScience]

Re: Where did the races come from?

It would still be ridiculous large amount of animals on that one boat. Then you would also have to fit animals of different climates and biomes on one boat in one climate. He would also have to fit all the animals' food on the boat.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Where did the races come from?

The Lord speaks of micro-evolution in Jeremiah:

Jer:13:23: Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

In Jer:13:23, a lot of people think that this means leopards will always be leopards and Ethiopians will always be Darkies. Nothing could be further from the truth. A couple of verses later we see

Jer:13:25: This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.

Here The Lord is saying that by remembering Him and trusting in the Truth, all may change, even animals, as long as they behave as He requires.

From this, it is clear that Christians evolve faster than atheists who are mired in superstition, necromancy, and put their trust in science, not God.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Where did the races come from?

Okay quick extinctions. Well all the species that I know of that have died off quickly are animals like the Dodo Bird. And they died off because of HUMAN intervention. Before humans became a huge force in the world and stared populating new areas animals died off slower than normal. Okay I have a question for you now. How did Noah fit every single animal on the planet on to one boat. Also it would be even more animals back then because of extinction and what not? With out evolution you can not explain it. If there where fewer animals back then it may of been possible but according to you all the animals that have ever existed needed to go on the Ark.

You are absolutely wrong, friend, and this has been covered before. You need to stop smoking so much "dope" and learn to pay attention when people are talking to you.

Everyone knows that microevolution, or change within a kind, occurs. Microevolution is why we have teacup poodles, pesticide-resistant boll-weevils, and Eskimos. What evolutionists assume, but have NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for, is macroevolution, or one kind changing into another kind.

Noah only needed one pair of elephants to represent all of elephant kind. The African elephants, Asian elephants, and bush elephants we have today are micro-evolved from the original pair of elephants Noah had on board the ark. Noah didn't bring any mastodons or woolly mammoths on board the ark because he didn't need them. He already had some other representative of elephant kind.

Similarly, he only needed one pair of beetles, one pair of turtles, etc. to represent their kind. Nowhere does the Bible say that Noah had to gather two of each species of animal. The Bible says two of "every kind", which refers to a descendant of each original created animal.

This is just simple baraminology, but I have yet to meet an evolution-believer capable of grasping it.

Oh, but they're the smart ones.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[FalseScience]

Re: Where did the races come from?

Okay quick extinctions. Well all the species that I know of that have died off quickly are animals like the Dodo Bird. And they died off because of HUMAN intervention. Before humans became a huge force in the world and stared populating new areas animals died off slower than normal. Okay I have a question for you now. How did Noah fit every single animal on the planet on to one boat. Also it would be even more animals back then because of extinction and what not? With out evolution you can not explain it. If there where fewer animals back then it may of been possible but according to you all the animals that have ever existed needed to go on the Ark.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Where did the races come from?

No atheists do not believe in anything, we only accept the theories that have the most evidence. And the evidence supports and leads us to a billion year old universe, and evolution. If you can show every other scientist with CREDIBLE evidence. That does not include the bible, show us that your theory is correct.

Explain quick extinctions under Evolution. Face it, species die off all the sim without it taking a million years!

[FalseScience]

Re: Where did the races come from?

No atheists do not believe in anything, we only accept the theories that have the most evidence. And the evidence supports and leads us to a billion year old universe, and evolution. If you can show every other scientist with CREDIBLE evidence. That does not include the bible, show us that your theory is correct.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Where did the races come from?

Atheism is not a religion

Nonsense. All atheists believe in fairy tales like the big bang, evolution and Earth being more than 100,000 years old. Even though the Bible clearly states all of those to be false beliefs.

[FalseScience]

Re: Where did the races come from?

religion of Atheism

Atheism is not a religion, there are no moral standards that all atheists follow. There is no god. The choice to not believe in a god is only one little thing that is the same with all atheists.

[FalseScience]

Re: Where did the races come from?

So, basically there are 4 eccentric people, brainwashed by their religion of Atheism who live in institutions and who speak against the Word of God?

And then there are 300,000,000 God-fearing Americans and God Himself who say they are mad... whom should I believe?

There are not four, I named only four but there are many other people out there. Also you made a fallacy called argument from majority. Just because most people believe and follow it doesn't make it right. The majority of Germany when Hitler was in power agreed with him did that make what he did right? No! You can pray for me, but it won't do much good. I use to be Christian I use to be a mindless brainwashed creationist. I even did a speech arguing for creation my senior year of high school. And now after comparing the claims of the bible and modern science I can see that religion and god is bullsh**.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Where did the races come from?

And that's just a few of the names.

So, basically there are 4 eccentric people, brainwashed by their religion of Atheism who live in institutions and who speak against the Word of God?

And then there are 300,000,000 God-fearing Americans and God Himself who say they are mad... whom should I believe?

You know, son, I feel sorry for you. You are probably not a bad person, just misled. I will pray that you accept Jesus into your life.

I've just found his impressive credentials:

• In the year 2000, he has answered and mailed free creationist materials in Spanish to almost 120 individuals from 13 countries. These were letters and emails in response to the Spanish radio broadcasts of Back to Genesis of the Institute for Creation Research.
• At present, he is dedicating his efforts to Zacatecas, Mexico to bring the message of creation into the public schools and the community, and to equip the local churches with teachings and materials to do the same.
• Founder and director of the Grupo Internacional de Científicos Creacionistas -- G.I.C.C. -- The International Group of Creation Scientists and their group of associate members.
• Presented the creationist conferences in Cuba in March and December of 1999, with plans to tour all of Cuba in 15 days in July or August of 2001.
• Was one of the main speakers in the First and Second National Creationist Congress in Cuernavaca, Morelos, Mexico in May, 1998 and August, 2000.
• His creationists conferences in video (Spanish and English) are now in the U.S.A., 15 Latin American countries, Spain, Zimbabwe, Africa and India.
• Bachelor of Science in Chemistry from the University of Wisconin in Madison, U.S.A.
• Automotive technician for 10 years.
• Worked in cancer research for 1 1/2 years.
• Made creationist conferences for Christian television in El Paso, Midland-Odessa and San Antonio, Texas.
• Part of the team that won the debate on CREATION AND EVOLUTION at the University of Morelos in Cuernavaca, Mexico in 1994.
• Translated and published in Spanish 15,000 copies of the powerful booklet by Ken Ham -- DINOSAURS AND THE BIBLE.
• Interviewed on various radio and t-v stations in the U.S.A., Mexico, Venezuela and Paraguay.
• For television, made 40 half-hour programs about science, the Bible, the creation, evolution, dinosaurs and the flood.
• E-mail address pendleto@prodigy.net.mx

I think he was at Landover around 2002 but I was unfortunately away at that time.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Where did the races come from?

That does not discredit their credibility.

Actually, it does. Think about it.