[James Hutchins]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

I'm with you. We are blessed and fortunate to have an omnipotent God who is both compassionate and in full control...but, would we even know it if God wasn't? We as finite human beings cannot fathom the strength and wisdom of God we're specks of dust. Some preachers have made the comparison that it's like a gnat trying to explain to a 747 how to fly. It could be that God has destroyed the Earth and remade it 10,000 times in a second and we as mortal humans would never know it. Perception is the only reality that we have. We must take God at his word and obey his commands...in as much as we can. But isn't it great that a being of this immense power wants to have a personal relationship with us. I think that's staggering and tells you a lot about God's character. You will never be wrong by putting your faith in Him.

The thing that amazes me is all these God haters feel so insistent that the Earth has to be Billions of years old. Such a sense of self importance. Where God has no age, has always existed, the live span of the Earth is akin to that of a fruitfly in relation to Him. You would think these 'people of puffery' would burst a button by now.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Ahem... You have obvious left your studies far behind, let me point you to some cutting-edge research:You can read more at Nuclear Decay: Evidence For A Young World by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

Ezekiel
You bring a very legitimate question and hypothesis for me to answer, unfortunately, and with a little embarrassment, I have to admit that I have not come across this argument before, I have had to do some research. I have looked at several sites, both, for creationism and against. The "for creation" poses a very similar argument to yours. The arguments refuting it are substantial, giving scientific evidence, logical evidence and even theological evidence as to why it is illogical, to suggest that such erosion took place in such a short amount of time.
As not to seem like these have come from me, but at the same time I don't want to seem obnoxious or egotistical in my answer, (which may I say I have little understanding in) I would like to ask you if you would like the links I have found, for and against the argument.
I apologise for not being able to be more thorough, and although it seem like a very intriguing argument, I would have to continue my research before asserting my own opinion on the matter.
All I will say is at this time, the argument seems legitimate, and I will stay impartial until I have learnt more.
But I appreciate your argument, and I refuse to refute it on the short amount of time I've endured researching it, or solely on the basis that it supports creation. If you are at all intetested in my findings, I will of Course share them at your discretion
Regards
Edd

[Paragon of virtue]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

You fail to understand that is God wants today to be tomorrow, it is. He could make it be 03/26/2099 if He wanted it to be. He makes babies, retards and kills old people with less than a blink of an eye and certainly less concern or effort. Think for a minute about the current year. 2013 AD Do you think God has anything to do with it?

I'm with you. We are blessed and fortunate to have an omnipotent God who is both compassionate and in full control...but, would we even know it if God wasn't? We as finite human beings cannot fathom the strength and wisdom of God we're specks of dust. Some preachers have made the comparison that it's like a gnat trying to explain to a 747 how to fly. It could be that God has destroyed the Earth and remade it 10,000 times in a second and we as mortal humans would never know it. Perception is the only reality that we have. We must take God at his word and obey his commands...in as much as we can. But isn't it great that a being of this immense power wants to have a personal relationship with us. I think that's staggering and tells you a lot about God's character. You will never be wrong by putting your faith in Him.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Too theistic Pim. I understand why you would use it, but I can't accept it as proof.
There is too much evidence negating a young earth.
There are fossils, tree rings, bones, cultures, astro physical evidence, all proving the world is older.
You need more evidence.
Regards
Edd

Friend, you miss the point. God created everything. He made the

...fossils, tree rings, bones, cultures, astro physical evidence...

You fail to understand that is God wants today to be tomorrow, it is. He could make it be 03/26/2099 if He wanted it to be. He makes babies, retards and kills old people with less than a blink of an eye and certainly less concern or effort. Think for a minute about the current year. 2013 AD Do you think God has anything to do with it?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Well yes, but only if we continued to assert scientific theories using technologies, processes and thoughts that predate the 1930's. which we don't.

Ahem... You have obvious left your studies far behind, let me point you to some cutting-edge research:

Recent experiments commissioned by the RATE project1 indicate that "1.5 billion years" worth of nuclear decay took place in one or more short episodes between 4,000 and 14,000 years ago. The results strongly support our accelerated decay hypothesis, that episodes with billion-fold speed-ups of nuclear decay occurred in the recent past, such as during the Genesis flood, the Fall of Adam, or early Creation week. Such accelerations would shrink the alleged 4.5 billion year radioisotope age of the earth down to the 6,000 years that a straightforward reading of the Bible gives.

Our experiments measured how rapidly nuclear-decay-generated helium escapes from tiny radioactive crystals in granite-like rock. The data show that most of the helium generated by nuclear decay would have escaped during the alleged 1.5 billion year uniformitarian2 age of the rock, and there would be very little helium in the crystals today. But the crystals still retain large amounts of helium, amounts our experiments show are entirely consistent with an age of only thousands of years. Thus these data are evidence against the long ages of evolutionism and for the recent creation in Scripture.

You can read more at Nuclear Decay: Evidence For A Young World by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

I think you're dodging Brother Bathfire's question. If there's no such thing as timeless truth, as you said earlier, how can science establish whether anything is true?



If you're going to make ridiculous claims such as that there is a platform 9 3/4 at Paddington station, or that Professor Dumbledore is a real person rather than just a figment of J. K. Rowling's imagination, or that Hogwarts is a real school, then the burden of proof is on you, not me. I'm under no obligation to believe your story in the absence of evidence. The Harry Potter books are a collection of fairytales, not meant to be taken literally.


Pim, without sounding patronising, by the comments we've exchanged you seem like an intelligent man, although a fundamentalist, with opinion and beliefs i dont agree with, I read your replies with sincerity.
With that in mind, I would be extremely surprised if you can't see the hypocrisy of your statement.
Your posing an argument that every atheist, scientist, agnostic and non-believer, would post to you, in which, you would reply, "prove god doesn't exist" (I recognise this is stereotype)
So I ask you.
Prove it didn't happen.
I'll give you a head start by telling you that it didn't, but I want you to give me an example of why it didn't, that I couldn't use against you in your theistic argument.




Plus:this is a complete experiment, I have no idea if you can or can't, if you can, it wont surprise me.







As for going back 10 billion years, that's impossible. First, no man, certainly no wizard, could perform that kind of miracle; only God could. Second, if you tally up the genealogies in the Bible, you find that the earth is just over 6,000 years old.

Do I hear an admission of defeat?

Too theistic Pim. I understand why you would use it, but I can't accept it as proof.
There is too much evidence negating a young earth.
There are fossils, tree rings, bones, cultures, astro physical evidence, all proving the world is older.
You need more evidence.
Regards
Edd

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Well yes, but only if we continued to assert scientific theories using technologies, processes and thoughts that predate the 1930's. which we don't. The average theologian, will negate science, based on biased opinions asserted by their faith. The theologian will take a theory (literal sense, not scientific sense) and then cover the theory with either: a complete disregard of facts or logical sense. Or : misguide, misinterpret, manipulate or ignore certain areas of essential evidence, to prove their conjecture holds substance.
Neither provide any logical conclusion to ANY of the subjects regarding the disproving of any scientificall proven theories (scientific sense)
But as I have said time and time again, your persona to negate all irrefutable evidence, and continuing to assert false, illogical and absurd creation propaganda, has never and will never demote ANY proven theory from being factually true.
Regard edd

I think you're dodging Brother Bathfire's question. If there's no such thing as timeless truth, as you said earlier, how can science establish whether anything is true?

I was standing on platform 9 3/4, at paddinton station, when I was approached by an elderly man, he introduced himself and Professor Dumbledore, a professor at Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry. He took me back 6000 years using his magic to go back in time, we witnessed earth, bi-pedal apes, sabre toothed tigers and the dodo.
We then went back further, 45 million years to be exact, and there they were, massive reptilian animals.
Went back further, 4.6 billion years, there was water, but it was a barren land, at closer inspection we found simple minute life forms.
We went back further 10 billion years, we found no life but on this hot barren land, but we found complex proteins
It was an amazing journey. And no gods were found?

My wonderful anecdote's lack of evidence holds the same substance of truth and fact as the Bible.
The second you prove my anecdote is false is the second I will admit defeat.

Good luck

If you're going to make ridiculous claims such as that there is a platform 9 3/4 at Paddington station, or that Professor Dumbledore is a real person rather than just a figment of J. K. Rowling's imagination, or that Hogwarts is a real school, then the burden of proof is on you, not me. I'm under no obligation to believe your story in the absence of evidence. The Harry Potter books are a collection of fairytales, not meant to be taken literally. As for going back 10 billion years, that's impossible. First, no man, certainly no wizard, could perform that kind of miracle; only God could. Second, if you tally up the genealogies in the Bible, you find that the earth is just over 6,000 years old.

Do I hear an admission of defeat?

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Argumentum ad populum. Weak




Your absolutely right. I apologise






Quantum physics proves that Einstein was wrong. Therefore the Jews killed Jesus, the Bible is true, and Christ is the Son of God. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

I don't see the relevance here? I might be missing it though. Einstein, although a wondrous figure in science, was still without the technology we have today, so some of his hypothesis will be either debunked or tweaked with the new found evidence.
But I don't see the connection to the Jews.

Are you trying to say that the recent bombings in Boston equal the redemptive power of Christ's sacrifice? Are you some sort of bloodhtirsty pagan?



Again, I don't see the connection, therefore I can't answer honestly




Another argumentum ad populum. Pathetic atheist logic. If the growth of atheism proves atheism, then the superior popularity of Christianity trumps it.


Again, I agree, but only to the second part, the first part of my statement is legitimate. I'll elaborate, we all have different cultures, and they have massive influence on ourselves as people. I have a London accent for instance, because I grew up in and around London, I enjoy different cuisines, different music, different foods, and have a different lifestyle to those living in a different place, such as Italy, or Mexico, or the u.s, is it not logical to suggest that because my life has been influenced so greatly by my geographical upbringing. Surely religion has the affect?




Amen




I may be wrong in my thinking the Yahweh is God. If so I apologise .

Thought is overrated. Proverbs 3:5 explains this.




Biblical text is irrelevant to me and my argument



Most atheists do not understand the scathing light of Christ's truth either. Because they don't understand quantum physics. Quantum indeterminacy proves that God gave us free will, which proves that the Bible is true.

I'm no physicist so I can't speculate accurately, but to my knowledge quantum physics would negate the exists she of Christ. Unless you can elaborate




Billy bob, you have brought me up on errors I can't refute and I apologise for that, and you bring intriguing questions to a difficult subject.

Regards
Edd

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

And of course the evidence of your point is reflected by the millions flocking to your church giving themselves to God. Not

Argumentum ad populum. Weak.

You seem to be so closed minded, tell me, what separates you from the Muslim fundamentalists, the Jewish fundamentalists, Hindu, and Buddhist fundamentalists, Mormon, and catholic fundamentalists? They all spread the Same sort of drival, they claim your wrong just as you claim they are, they're just as certain, their God, or word of God is the truth, and they will all claim your going to hell like you do them. You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong, and as there is no evidence supporting any of these right wing disrespected movements within a certain religion, you won't mind if I pass it off with all the other mythological rubbish.

Quantum physics proves that Einstein was wrong. Therefore the Jews killed Jesus, the Bible is true, and Christ is the Son of God. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

You all seem to read quotes from the bible like it has some sort of impact on me, you would be just as successful reading from the local newspaper.
As said before, you can ignorantly and unintelliantly come to any conclusion you want, it won't change the facts of science from being the facts of life and the world.

Are you trying to say that the recent bombings in Boston equal the redemptive power of Christ's sacrifice? Are you some sort of bloodhtirsty pagan?

Do you not sit and wonder why the demographics of religion are so geographically selective to a certain religion?
Do you not worry that with Europes massive, atheists community is spreading around the globe, and atheism has become the fastest growing religious position in the world.

Another argumentum ad populum. Pathetic atheist logic. If the growth of atheism proves atheism, then the superior popularity of Christianity trumps it.

Just like people ceased to worship Zues and Thor they will see Yahweh in the same light soon.

Amen.

I wager now, in 50years time, Christianity and it's different deluded cults of it will be the demographic minority, and you can waste your life believing you will last forever, I can assure you friend, really enjoy your last seconds on earth, as they will be your last seconds of any type of thought.

Thought is overrated. Proverbs 3:5 explains this.

You all misunderstand what an atheist actually is. An atheist doesn't need to have heard of the Big Bang, cosmology, abiogenesis etc, to retain his/her atheist position.

Most atheists do not understand the scathing light of Christ's truth either. Because they don't understand quantum physics. Quantum indeterminacy proves that God gave us free will, which proves that the Bible is true.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

PROVE God doesn't exist.

That should be to hard for scientist.

I was standing on platform 9 3/4, at paddinton station, when I was approached by an elderly man, he introduced himself and Professor Dumbledore, a professor at Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry. He took me back 6000 years using his magic to go back in time, we witnessed earth, bi-pedal apes, sabre toothed tigers and the dodo.
We then went back further, 45 million years to be exact, and there they were, massive reptilian animals.
Went back further, 4.6 billion years, there was water, but it was a barren land, at closer inspection we found simple minute life forms.
We went back further 10 billion years, we found no life but on this hot barren land, but we found complex proteins
It was an amazing journey. And no gods were found?

My wonderful anecdote's lack of evidence holds the same substance of truth and fact as the Bible.
The second you prove my anecdote is false is the second I will admit defeat.

Good luck

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

God didnt move anything. God doesn't exist

PROVE God doesn't exist.

That should be to hard for scientist.

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

Friend, you did not even know of the cables. Let alone their purpose. I suppose you think the telephone is soup cans and string. Though I suppose it very well may be like that in your third world country.


Illogical bigoted nonesense.



Think for a moment, if wires were plugged in at the US of A and then in britland then the continents moved, wouldn't the wires stretch and break (or at the very least, constantly pull out of the sockets)?


Absurdity at it's finest. I did know the cables existed, I used survey the ocean floor to assert dangers for those laying and maintaing them.

What is blatantly obvious is your misunderstanding or how both the technological sciences work on such a large scale.

You don't need to go that far into a logical mind to conclude answers to these question.

And as you have proved that you can only post childish, bigoted, racist, illogical absurdities to me (even from a theistic point of view) this will be my last reply.

More information can be found everywhere except your fine, subjectively rewritten, 2000 yr old book, written by unintelligent pilgrims.

Science will eventually find you my friend



Why would God constantly move the countries about the Earth, to keep us guessing where we will wake up?

God didnt move anything. God doesn't exist

[Eddie James]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

So, that's all your science out the window, isn't it?

Well yes, but only if we continued to assert scientific theories using technologies, processes and thoughts that predate the 1930's. which we don't. The average theologian, will negate science, based on biased opinions asserted by their faith. The theologian will take a theory (literal sense, not scientific sense) and then cover the theory with either: a complete disregard of facts or logical sense. Or : misguide, misinterpret, manipulate or ignore certain areas of essential evidence, to prove their conjecture holds substance.
Neither provide any logical conclusion to ANY of the subjects regarding the disproving of any scientificall proven theories (scientific sense)
But as I have said time and time again, your persona to negate all irrefutable evidence, and continuing to assert false, illogical and absurd creation propaganda, has never and will never demote ANY proven theory from being factually true.
Regard edd

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

There's no such thing as a timeless truth,

So, that's all your science out the window, isn't it?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Plate Tectonics – Another Scientific Theory DESTROYED!

You can mock, but the worlds laughing at you guys.
It was a case of mis-reading. The devil must have got into my eyes and told me what to see, or whatever.
Don't smoke mate.
It always saddens me to see people ignore the facts.
Except of course your good member William, who seems to be down with the science, he gave us all a scientifically proven lesson on the "homeschooling disproves atheist post" worth a look, second to last page.
Peace out

Friend, you did not even know of the cables. Let alone their purpose. I suppose you think the telephone is soup cans and string. Though I suppose it very well may be like that in your third world country.

Think for a moment, if wires were plugged in at the US of A and then in britland then the continents moved, wouldn't the wires stretch and break (or at the very least, constantly pull out of the sockets)?

Why would God constantly move the countries about the Earth, to keep us guessing where we will wake up?