[ScienceisforFools]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

Make up your mind, friend.

I was talking about majority-minority. We are intelligent beings now because of science and the improving of technology, but there are illogical and delusional people out there still, for example, people on this forum.

This is the problem when one tries to find wisdom outside the Truth©,

Saying the Bible is truth without supportive evidence... Here we go again.

...make stuff up as they go along.

Thank you for explaining how Christians interpret the Bible.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

We are intelligent beings now...

People are illogical and delusional.

Make up your mind, friend.

This is the problem when one tries to find wisdom outside the Truth(c), apart from the very author of wisdom (Proverbs 3:19) - they make stuff up as they go along.

[ScienceisforFools]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

Then you must be oblivious to bias in peer review: the often bandied processes to assess the epistemic and social legitimacy of the mechanisms of inquiry are subject to and influenced by publication, positive outcome, non-repetition and confirmation bias.

You would know that if you were being intellectually honest.

There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion. However, science has mathematical and procedural conventions designed to minimize bias. Having gone through a few (from both sides), yes, but only in the sense that most such reviews are intended to confirm the views of the reviewers and how they see the background for the paper and the subject matter. In other words, most peer reviews don't handle out-of-the-standard-box material well. But they are great when the material and approach is standard.

How would one take 2 Chronicles 15:13, "That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.", figuratively?

Anyways, 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:", 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.", and Revelation 22:18-19 "18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." add up to a fairly strong case against taking of the Holy Bible with a grain of Lot's wife.

Nice cherry picking. Everything during that time was written to be fact. These stories they told were told as truths. Religion was always meant to bring money to a community and to make people fearful to keep them in check. We are intelligent beings now... And because we know a lot of things aren't correct in the bible, we find ways to try to make them seem more correct. People are illogical and delusional. Because this is very much part of their lives, family, and culture, people feel as if they are loosing more than just their religion, but their way of life. The people who wrote it took it literally. Talking snakes, magic fruit, everything. The people who preach it today have to make it means something other than what the original writers made it mean so that people still believe it. But since nobody reads it anyways, they just take it all on blind faith.

[Didymus Much]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

...The bible was never intended to be taken ad fact but figuratively...

How would one take 2 Chronicles 15:13, "That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.", figuratively?

Anyways, 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:", 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.", and Revelation 22:18-19 "18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." add up to a fairly strong case against taking of the Holy Bible with a grain of Lot's wife.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

Our peer reviewed journals have been tested, tested and tested through experimentation and observations collecting data to analyse all over the place to come to our conclusion. We don't make the peer reviewed journals up - it's an evaluation of work with evidence of experimentation, observations and data to support its claim. Until the Bible is in the same or similar situation, it's a book people shouldn't trust.

Jesus loses again.

Then you must be oblivious to bias in peer review: the often bandied processes to assess the epistemic and social legitimacy of the mechanisms of inquiry are subject to and influenced by publication, positive outcome, non-repetition and confirmation bias.

You would know that if you were being intellectually honest.

YIC

[ScienceisforFools]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

By that logic no quotation from a peer reviled journal can be used as proof.

Our peer reviewed journals have been tested, tested and tested through experimentation and observations collecting data to analyse all over the place to come to our conclusion. We don't make the peer reviewed journals up - it's an evaluation of work with evidence of experimentation, observations and data to support its claim. Until the Bible is in the same or similar situation, it's a book people shouldn't trust.

Jesus loses again.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

I see no facts? These are not even close to being facts. They are silly nursery rhymes. No quotation from the Bible can prove the existence of God .. or Hell. Science fiction writers have predicted more accurately and more correctly than the prophecies which have been interpreted to have come to pass in the bible. The bible was never intended to be taken ad fact but figuratively. But, yet again somebody else saying that god and the bible are real because it says in the bible. I've got news for you, a book saying something is real, doesn't make it so. Now who's blatantly ignoring the facts

By that logic no quotation from a peer reviled journal can be used as proof.

Jesus wins again.

YIC

[ScienceisforFools]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

This proves Our Lord's word (The Holy Bible) is 100% true because the prophecy came true. Simple.

Isaiah 48:3
I foretold the former things long ago, my mouth announced them and I made them known; then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.

Here's your proof of hell.

Revelation 20:15
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

And since The Holy Bible is obviously true, it goes without saying everything else written is 100% true. And you call yourself a person of reason yet you blatantly ignore facts.

I see no facts? These are not even close to being facts. They are silly nursery rhymes. No quotation from the Bible can prove the existence of God .. or Hell. Science fiction writers have predicted more accurately and more correctly than the prophecies which have been interpreted to have come to pass in the bible. The bible was never intended to be taken ad fact but figuratively. But, yet again somebody else saying that god and the bible are real because it says in the bible. I've got news for you, a book saying something is real, doesn't make it so. Now who's blatantly ignoring the facts

[Artofburning]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

Prove both quotes.

Prove Hell.

This proves Our Lord's word (The Holy Bible) is 100% true because the prophecy came true. Simple.

Isaiah 48:3
I foretold the former things long ago, my mouth announced them and I made them known; then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.

Here's your proof of hell.

Revelation 20:15
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

And since The Holy Bible is obviously true, it goes without saying everything else written is 100% true. And you call yourself a person of reason yet you blatantly ignore facts.

[ScienceisforFools]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

we know that God created man

If anyone "knew" that for a fact, there would be no debate on the subject (and probably a lot less variation in religion). We don't know that God created man. You just think you know. If you believe you can speak for us all you are arrogant.

Because we know that God created man... he can only guess at it.

If you "know," then there's no reason to guess.

And that is what science is - a series of guesses.

That's the opposite of science/scientific. 21st CENTURY is ERA of SCIENCE. The computer you are using is also an example of SCIENCE.

Well, friend, here is the thing. On one hand, you say that science is a good way to ask the right questions. You admit that science does not claim to know all the answers, and does not claim to be able to prove everything, and eventually runs into the point where it just IS. That is an admirable admission! You see, God just IS. He needs no proof and requires no empirical confirmation, and neither does His Word. You say: "Prove hell", but how on earth do you propose to do this? And is this really a fair demand? God (Who just IS) says in His Word that hell is an undeniable reality. Matthew 13:50, Mark 9:48, Revelation 14:10.

Yes, it's very fair to demand proof that when I die I'm going to burn in eternal agony unless I believe in your imaginary friend.

Science is not an entity, it is a study of things; nothing more. So hell just is because the bible says that hell just is because god says the bible just is because the bible says that god just is? Your logic is infallible. Science is great because it works.

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

Gravity doesn't effect Space-Time, it is mass, which is what creates gravity, and it bends because the object is there, just imagine a box full of foam, the foam will be space time, now put an object in it, the foam moves around the object, same thing is true with Space Time, except it depends on mass. Time changes regardless of how fast one moves, why I don't know, but they proved it with three Atomic Clocks, one flew around the world, and two sat side by side, the one flown around the world was a greater difference than the one that sat still, compared to the other one that sat still.

Usually when we ask "how", what we mean is whether there is a further breakdown of the principles involved, is our explanation as fundamental as it can be? At a fundamental level the best we can do is identify the manner in which nature operates, and leave the HOW to philosophy, because if you get an answer to any of these, the next question in your mind is going to be...yes, you guess it, HOW does *that* work. At some point, when we reach first-principle explanations, it just IS.

Science does not have all the answers, there are many things science cannot explain at this moment, but we are going long ways to find out. Well science does not have all the answers, it is the best means to find these answers. Just because we don't know these answers doesn't mean God invented it. Science is not about answers anyway, its about being able to ask the right questions. Religion is all about answers, and not asking any questions. To believe science you have to abandon instinct, and learn to anyalyse facts. To believe religion, you have to abandon facts and learn to follow blind faith.





Prove both quotes.

This is a guess and a belief. Science on the other hand is true and proven. Obviously from what you are asking, you don't understand it. Therefore, you come to conclusions about the world from guessing and believing in the bible.



Prove Hell.

Well, friend, here is the thing. On one hand, you say that science is a good way to ask the right questions. You admit that science does not claim to know all the answers, and does not claim to be able to prove everything, and eventually runs into the point where it just IS. That is an admirable admission! You see, God just IS. He needs no proof and requires no empirical confirmation, and neither does His Word. You say: "Prove hell", but how on earth do you propose to do this? And is this really a fair demand? God (Who just IS) says in His Word that hell is an undeniable reality. Matthew 13:50, Mark 9:48, Revelation 14:10.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

blah, blah, blah... The bible shouldn't be taught as fact because it isn't fact.

Because we know that God created man, it is impossible that Man should know anything before creation - he can only guess at it. And that is what science is - a series of guesses.

[ScienceisforFools]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

Please enlighten me as to HOW electromagnetic flux lines run perpendicular to the direction of a current source, HOW an entity can be both a wave and a particle at the same time, HOW gravity can bend this so called "space time" and cause frame dragging, or HOW time dilates when one approaches the speed of light?

Gravity doesn't effect Space-Time, it is mass, which is what creates gravity, and it bends because the object is there, just imagine a box full of foam, the foam will be space time, now put an object in it, the foam moves around the object, same thing is true with Space Time, except it depends on mass. Time changes regardless of how fast one moves, why I don't know, but they proved it with three Atomic Clocks, one flew around the world, and two sat side by side, the one flown around the world was a greater difference than the one that sat still, compared to the other one that sat still.

Usually when we ask "how", what we mean is whether there is a further breakdown of the principles involved, is our explanation as fundamental as it can be? At a fundamental level the best we can do is identify the manner in which nature operates, and leave the HOW to philosophy, because if you get an answer to any of these, the next question in your mind is going to be...yes, you guess it, HOW does *that* work. At some point, when we reach first-principle explanations, it just IS.

Science does not have all the answers, there are many things science cannot explain at this moment, but we are going long ways to find out. Well science does not have all the answers, it is the best means to find these answers. Just because we don't know these answers doesn't mean God invented it. Science is not about answers anyway, its about being able to ask the right questions. Religion is all about answers, and not asking any questions. To believe science you have to abandon instinct, and learn to anyalyse facts. To believe religion, you have to abandon facts and learn to follow blind faith.

Humans are unable to come up with answers to these perplexing inquiries because it wasn't meant for our understanding save the understanding Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

since He made all of it, including us.

Prove both quotes.

This is a guess and a belief. Science on the other hand is true and proven. Obviously from what you are asking, you don't understand it. Therefore, you come to conclusions about the world from guessing and believing in the bible.

Lord won't send your petty ass to hell to burn

Prove Hell.

[Artofburning]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

You've studied science? No you haven't, if you had you would not have had such an insane rant. If you believe the theories and formulas are "derivation of senseless" you, clearly, do not understand what you are doing. I thought electricity was Satan's work when first introduced? I wish Christians would make up their minds! We could always burn the Bible in the science classroom to demonstrate how combustion works? You can believe the nonsense in the bible if you want to. You can't push your irrational nonsense on our children and education system. Evolution is the foundation of all the biological sciences. Knowledge regarding evolution has already greatly improved our quality of life. It has produced tens of thousands of discoveries in genetics, epidemiology, archeology, agriculture, embryology, bacteriology… the list goes on. Denying evolution now would be like denying the Earth orbits the sun. The bible shouldn't be taught as fact because it isn't fact.

Please enlighten me as to HOW electromagnetic flux lines run perpendicular to the direction of a current source, HOW an entity can be both a wave and a particle at the same time, HOW gravity can bend this so called "space time" and cause frame dragging, or HOW time dilates when one approaches the speed of light?

Humans are unable to come up with answers to these perplexing inquiries because it wasn't meant for our understanding save the understanding Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ since He made all of it, including us. Your only job is to be on your knees in prayer, begging for forgiveness in hope that Our Lord won't send your petty ass to hell to burn, which he more than likely will do judging from your last post.

[ScienceisforFools]

Re: 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is So Stupid

Overwhelming opposition and evidence? Heathen, I'm an electrical engineer for Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and I've studied science extensively. The only things I learned were derivations of senseless theory and formulas with no basis on reality, that a piece of toilet paper with a bunch of scribblings on it will make you a mediocre living, and that The Holy Bible should be the foundation for all science taught in all schools, everywhere.

You've studied science? No you haven't, if you had you would not have had such an insane rant. If you believe the theories and formulas are "derivation of senseless" you, clearly, do not understand what you are doing. I thought electricity was Satan's work when first introduced? I wish Christians would make up their minds! We could always burn the Bible in the science classroom to demonstrate how combustion works? You can believe the nonsense in the bible if you want to. You can't push your irrational nonsense on our children and education system. Evolution is the foundation of all the biological sciences. Knowledge regarding evolution has already greatly improved our quality of life. It has produced tens of thousands of discoveries in genetics, epidemiology, archeology, agriculture, embryology, bacteriology… the list goes on. Denying evolution now would be like denying the Earth orbits the sun. The bible shouldn't be taught as fact because it isn't fact.