[Titus Templeton]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

I don't believe in cells so I don't believe in stem cells, too.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

That's a contradiction in terms. Law is a type of government regulation. A genuine market system does exclude government interference.

The only contradiction here is in treating stem cells as inanimate objects when they clearly have been personally and painstakingly infused with a soul by the LORD Himself who watches and waits for just the right opportunity to do so.

[krunsch]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

I really think there should be law against those so-called scientists who argue we need a baby's stem cells to cure diseases. If we had a genuine market system for our health care, one where government did not run everything, we would have regulations against all stem cell research.

That's a contradiction in terms. Law is a type of government regulation. A genuine market system does exclude government interference.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

Big words for you. You are only stating "You infact display your ignorance of logical thinking," because I do not believe in your false God, which in your eyes deem me ignorant. However, in my eyes, you are ignorant for believe in such a backwards style of life. Good day sir.

Why do you insult Dr. Niles by calling him silly infantile names?

Where has Dr. Niles been ignorant? Show proof using quotes from Scripture to back up your claims.

[A Follower]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

This is such an a priori assumption and an argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Just because you yourself do not hold proof in your hand does not mean the answer is unavailable to us.

I take it you also don't beleive in the third Punic War as you have no personal evidence that it was so.

Or the devastation of Thera or the Great Flood?

You infact display your ignorance of logical thinking.

God bless.

And to continue this argument to its logical conclusion: why does your lack of morals make it okay for you to murder our babies? And what if someone believes that life begins at birth and you disagree with them on some tangentially related subject does that allow you to kill their children after birth? No! I have even heard people say about others that they have no life, does that make them suitable for stem cell harvesting? Of course not! One of the most important rules of the Bible is to not kill unless God approves of it.

And in an attempt to keep the discussion civil I would like you to use the proper terms when discussing stem cells: you murder those unborn children for new organs after god punishes you for some sin by rotting your old organs away. So what you are actually doing is illegal organ harvesting of, as you admitted to yourself, living victims. Of course organ harvesting is in itself illegal, but you scientists tend to traffic in hose organs too and sell them, that's another few crimes. Ethically there are more problems, because you don't have the victims' consent, as far as I know all researchers performing medical experiments on people are required to obtain informed consent of their victims, which they obviously can only legally give when they are adults, so you should wait to destroy the embryos until they are at least 18 years old and have signed a consent form.

[Basilissa]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

Big words for you. You are only stating "You infact display your ignorance of logical thinking," because I do not believe in your false God, which in your eyes deem me ignorant. However, in my eyes, you are ignorant for believe in such a backwards style of life. Good day sir.

Dr. Niles is a brilliant man. Also, there's no such thing as an "infact."

[Im a Fool & a Sinner]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

This is such an a priori assumption and an argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Just because you yourself do not hold proof in your hand does not mean the answer is unavailable to us.

I take it you also don't beleive in the third Punic War as you have no personal evidence that it was so.

Or the devastation of Thera or the Great Flood?

You infact display your ignorance of logical thinking.

God bless.

Big words for you. You are only stating "You infact display your ignorance of logical thinking," because I do not believe in your false God, which in your eyes deem me ignorant. However, in my eyes, you are ignorant for believe in such a backwards style of life. Good day sir.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

Every stem cell is a vile sinner deserving of the wrath and punishment of God.

Ps 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

But God wants them to live long enough to experience the vanity and hardship of life before consigning them to the fiery torments of hell.

Eccl 11:8 But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

Until I am proven that God exists (please dont tell me the whole, "the bible says its true" and that he is sitting up high above us in the heavens creating embryos with the snap of his fingers. Im just going to deem you ignorant.

This is such an a priori assumption and an argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Just because you yourself do not hold proof in your hand does not mean the answer is unavailable to us.

I take it you also don't beleive in the third Punic War as you have no personal evidence that it was so.

Or the devastation of Thera or the Great Flood?

You infact display your ignorance of logical thinking.

God bless.

[ChurchMadeMeAthiest]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

What does Darwin have to do with this?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

I think you may be misinterpreting the motivation for stem cell research? It's not about discounting or removing God? If anything, according to your belief, it is understanding a process which God created in the first place.

You're mistaken. It's about replacing . It's about rationalizing a life where is replaced with Darwin, and morals are replaced with sin and debauchery. It's the oldest story in the Book - it's the sin of Eve's Pride, and why we suffer today, and why we need a Savior more than ever before!

[ChurchMadeMeAthiest]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

According to your link, "Using genetic reprogramming with protein transcription factors, pluripotent stem cells equivalent to embryonic stem cells have been derived from human adult skin tissue." This derision is not analogous to the fact that life begins at conception. Skin cells were created to cover the body, not study new ways to leave out of the conception process altogether.

But that's not been found to be very helpful. Whether those cells are difficult to isolate, or they don't offend enough, secular scientists continue to harvest living unborn babies for the stem cells we're talking about.

I think you may be misinterpreting the motivation for stem cell research? It's not about discounting or removing God? If anything, according to your belief, it is understanding a process which God created in the first place.

Just to understand your objections, is the harvesting of embryonic stem cells from stillborn foetuses against your belief also?

Are you OK with the study of adult stem cells where the patient is not harmed in any way?

[Attila's Wife]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

For a laymans explanation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

Do you believe everything you read on Wikipedia? It's not the most reliable source in the world, you know.

Even people like you can edit it, as you can see from this revision of the page here.

All the best, dear,
YiC
AW

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

For a laymans explanation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

Exerpt : "There are two broad types of stem cells: embryonic stem cells, which are isolated from the inner cell mass of blastocysts, and adult stem cells, which are found in various tissues."

According to your link, "Using genetic reprogramming with protein transcription factors, pluripotent stem cells equivalent to embryonic stem cells have been derived from human adult skin tissue." This derision is not analogous to the fact that life begins at conception. Skin cells were created to cover the body, not study new ways to leave out of the conception process altogether.

Additionally, contrary to posts above, babies don't have to be murdered to obtain stem cells. They can be sourced from umbilical cord blood.

But that's not been found to be very helpful. Whether those cells are difficult to isolate, or they don't offend enough, secular scientists continue to harvest living unborn babies for the stem cells we're talking about.

[ChurchMadeMeAthiest]

Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

Source please?

For a laymans explanation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

Exerpt : "There are two broad types of stem cells: embryonic stem cells, which are isolated from the inner cell mass of blastocysts, and adult stem cells, which are found in various tissues."

Additionally, contrary to posts above, babies don't have to be murdered to obtain stem cells. They can be sourced from umbilical cord blood.