[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

How do you answer to photographic proof of round earth?

Ever seen a photograph of a coin?

As a lutherian i know that we cant take bible all literally.

Either the Bible can trusted to say what it means, and mean what it says, or it can't. If it can't be trusted, then why would you trust any of it? You might be trusting the wrong parts. Do you see how Lutheranism will lead you straight to the devil's front door? Don't trust them.

[bosnianmann]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Who took the photo? How do you know it wasn't photoshopped?

You seem very naive....

Explain how there are real pictures of this, before PS then.

[Jerome Jefferson III]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Lutheranism is satanic. Its just Catlick-ism lite is all.

The fact they don't believe the bible is proof that they are insane.

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

And when has the Bible been PROVEN wrong?

Many times.

1: Bible says our world was created by a sky wizard about 10k years ago ( or 6k years old, depending on what version of the bible you read haha ). Which contradicted by scientific evidence from numerous scientific disciplines that shows the age of the universe is 13.798±0.037 billion years, the formation of the Earth was 4.5 billion years ago, and life first appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. There's many proofs that says otherwise, such as : Accumulation of cosmic dust, Saturn's rings, artic ice layers, fossils, galaxies light ( millions of light years away galaxies actually need millions of years for their light to reach us, simple physics) , radiometric dating, old tjikko, and I could go on and on.

2: Noah's ark: How could a flood happen when things such as old tjikko ( a 9.5k years old tree ) still exists? It would have died underwater.

How do you explain the relative ages of mountains? For example, why weren't the Sierra Nevadas eroded as much as the Appalachians during the Flood?

Why is there no evidence of a flood in ice core series? Ice cores from Greenland have been dated back more than 40,000 years by counting annual layers. A worldwide flood would be expected to leave a layer of sediments, noticeable changes in salinity and oxygen isotope ratios, fractures from buoyancy and thermal stresses, a hiatus in trapped air bubbles, and probably other evidence. Why doesn't such evidence show up?

How are the polar ice caps even possible? Such a mass of water as the Flood would have provided sufficient buoyancy to float the polar caps off their beds and break them up. They wouldn't regrow quickly. In fact, the Greenland ice cap would not regrow under modern (last 10 ky) climatic conditions.

And I could go on, even the concept of noah's ark doesn't apply to reality.

Wood is not the best material for shipbuilding. It is not enough that a ship be built to hold together; it must also be sturdy enough that the changing stresses don't open gaps in its hull. Wood is simply not strong enough to prevent separation between the joints, especially in the heavy seas that the Ark would have encountered. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long [ Gen. 6:15].

Could an ark that size be made seaworthy? No, because look what happened to the Wyoming , with the effect called hogging and sagging caused by waves, it would twist in every direction causing it to leak and eventualy sank.




3: Talking snakes

4: Bible contradictions.

5: Failed biblical prophecies.

6: The earth isn't flat.

7: If a god is real and everything is. What makes you think your interpretation of the bible isn't wrong? What makes you think you are not following the right god and the right one is actuall Odin? As all bibles and mythical deities all have the same amount of '' proofs ''.

8: If god is all loving and peaceful. Why did he kill around 2.5 millions of people according to the bible? Not counting when he annihilated life on earth during the mythical flood? What's funny is that Satan, depicted as the evil one, only killed around 10 people in the bible, which was job's family. And he did it to help god win a bet. hahahaha.

9: Give me one proof that god exists that isn't related to your inner feelings, misconceptions, delusion, holy scriptures that could have been made by some king to control his people ( Since you have no proof that god made it except what it says in the book itself, that's like believing Lord of the ring is real because Frodo wrote it storywise.)

[Didymus Much]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Many times...

Really? All of your "proofs" rely on believing that science is true in the first place. I'll just use first one as an example:

...1: Bible says our world was created by a sky wizard about 10k years ago ( or 6k years old, depending on what version of the bible you read haha ). Which contradicted by scientific evidence from numerous scientific disciplines that shows the age of the universe is 13.798±0.037 billion years...

Ok, now prove that God didn't create the universe 6,014 years ago, with all the evidence that show it's much older already in place (fossils, etc.), in order to deceive people into believing a lie (yes, He does that, according to the Bible) and condemning themselves to everlasting torture.

The rest of your "proofs" can be similarly dismissed.

[Jerome Jefferson III]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Boy, you think some silly-a** demotivational poster you found on 4chan is going to convince dyed-in-the-wool saved True Christians?

[bosnianmann]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Boy, you think some silly-a** demotivational poster you found on 4chan is going to convince dyed-in-the-wool saved True Christians?

I don't see anything from 4chan here...
:|

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Boy, you think some silly-a** demotivational poster you found on 4chan is going to convince dyed-in-the-wool saved True Christians?

Actually, it is from Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate, when he pointed out how silly is creationism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI

Really? All of your "proofs" rely on believing that science is true in the first place. I'll just use first one as an example:



Ok, now prove that God didn't create the universe 6,014 years ago, with all the evidence that show it's much older already in place (fossils, etc.), in order to deceive people into believing a lie (yes, He does that, according to the Bible) and condemning themselves to everlasting torture.

The rest of your "proofs" can be similarly dismissed.

I don't know if you're either trolling or simply attardé. I just provided plenty of proof that shows the universe wasn't make 6k years ago. Want more proof? Here we go:

Amino acid racemization
Baptistina asteroid family
Continental drift
Cosmogenic nuclide dating
Dendrochronology
Distant starlight
Erosion
Fission track dating
Geomagnetic reversals
Helioseismology
Human Y-chromosomal ancestry
Ice layering
Impact craters
Iron-manganese nodule growth
Lack of DNA in fossils
Length of the prehistoric day
Lunar retreat
Naica megacrystals
Nitrogen impurities in natural diamonds
Oxidizable carbon ratio dating
Permafrost
Petrified wood
Radioactive decay
Relativistic jets
Rock varnish
Seabed plankton layering
Sedimentary varves
Space weathering
Stalactites
Thermoluminescence dating
Weathering rinds



Now what about you prove that your sky wizard created earth 6k years ago? Only your bronze age book? That like I said earlier: holy scriptures that could have been made by some king to control his people ( Since you have no proof that god made it except what it says in the book itself, that's like believing Lord of the ring is real because Frodo wrote it storywise.)

Funny how you ignore completely all my logics points I wrote earlier and dismiss it with some god-bothering non-sense. How about you try to debunk what I said in my earlier post before you ask me to debunk yours?

[Russell Holbeck]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Now what about you prove that your sky wizard created earth 6k years ago? Only your bronze age book? That like I said earlier: holy scriptures that could have been made by some king to control his people ( Since you have no proof that god made it except what it says in the book itself, that's like believing Lord of the ring is real because Frodo wrote it storywise.)

Hello TheMan.

Frodo did not write the books in The Lord of the Rings trilogy I got a picture of the books from the Google and I put red arrows pointing to the author his name is J.R.R. Tolkien the J.R.R. stands for John Ronald Reuel here is the picture:



Tolkien was born in Africa but he is not a colored person.

Thank you.

Rusty

[Didymus Much]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

...Funny how you ignore completely all my logics points I wrote earlier and dismiss it with some god-bothering non-sense...

Funny how you were expecting anything different on a Baptist church's website.

Btw, as it's obviously escaped you, I am atheist (see my title and "awards"). I'm just trying to show you that proving religion wrong with science is a lot harder than it looks (if it wasn't, we would have been rid of this scourge a loooong time ago).

Religion offers eternity in heaven. Science offers about 80 years on this planet, and then nothing. Given those payoffs, you'll have to be a lot more convincing, and use things that people accept as true (like the Bible) to begin the process.

So read the Bible. Do it. 66 books, read two a day (should take a couple of hours average, some books are really short), you'll be done in a little more than a month. Take notes, and we'll discuss.

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Hello TheMan.

Frodo did not write the books in The Lord of the Rings trilogy I got a picture of the books from the Google and I put red arrows pointing to the author his name is J.R.R. Tolkien the J.R.R. stands for John Ronald Reuel here is the picture:

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Tolkien was born in Africa but he is not a colored person.

Thank you.

Rusty

Hello Russel.

I believe you misunderstood me, I clearly said '' Frodo wrote it storywise ''. Yes, the books were written by tokien, BUT STORYWISE it was written by Frodo, depicting his tales of travel. How is that hard to understand?

Funny how you were expecting anything different on a Baptist church's website.

Btw, as it's obviously escaped you, I am atheist (see my title and "awards"). I'm just trying to show you that proving religion wrong with science is a lot harder than it looks (if it wasn't, we would have been rid of this scourge a loooong time ago).

Religion offers eternity in heaven. Science offers about 80 years on this planet, and then nothing. Given those payoffs, you'll have to be a lot more convincing, and use things that people accept as true (like the Bible) to begin the process.

So read the Bible. Do it. 66 books, read two a day (should take a couple of hours average, some books are really short), you'll be done in a little more than a month. Take notes, and we'll discuss.

That's simply Pascal's Wager, which was debunked centuries ago. Can you modernize your expired arguments, please?

[Russell Holbeck]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Hello Russel.

I believe you misunderstood me, I clearly said '' Frodo wrote it storywise ''. Yes, the books were written by tokien, BUT STORYWISE it was written by Frodo, depicting his tales of travel. How is that hard to understand?

Hello TheMan.

Thank you for telling me about storywise but you did not have to put the part about How is that hard to understand? because it is not a very common word and that is not the only way it can be used I looked it up on the Google.

You should always be nice to people look at what Paul wrote in The Epistle to the Ephesians 4:32 it says:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Epistle is a fancy way of saying letter I had to look it up and I am not being mean by telling you that. The Ephesians lived in Ephesus and I also had to look that up. Ephesus had The Temple of Artemis which was destroyed by Goths not the kind that dress in black and listen to sad music but old timey people from Germany.

Thank you.

Rusty

[Didymus Much]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

That's simply Pascal's Wager, which was debunked centuries ago...

It's an unprovable argument. If you think it can be "debunked", you do not understand logic.

In very simple terms, THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO DISPROVE.

...Can you modernize your expired arguments, please?

Can you read what I fucking wrote, please? And the Bible, too.

[Steph Leia]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Hello Russel.

I believe you misunderstood me, I clearly said '' Frodo wrote it storywise ''. Yes, the books were written by tokien, BUT STORYWISE it was written by Frodo, depicting his tales of travel. How is that hard to understand?



That's simply Pascal's Wager, which was debunked centuries ago. Can you modernize your expired arguments, please?

On your link, it clearly states

The wise decision is to wager that God exists, since "If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing"

So then why are you making the fools decision?

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: The sun revolves around the EARTH - TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

It's an unprovable argument. If you think it can be "debunked", you do not understand logic.

In very simple terms, THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO DISPROVE.



Can you read what I fucking wrote, please? And the Bible, too.

I guess the studies saying that religious people have a lower IQ are proved in this forum.

Debunking means '' to expose the sham or falseness of ''.

It is criticized for not proving God's existence, encouragement of false belief and the problem of which religion and which God should be worshipped.

Simply put. The interest you have to believe a thing is no proof that such a thing exists.

That's why you won't grow back an arm if you're an amputee, even if you believe and pray really hard for it. That's why Santa doesn't exist even if you believed it as a kid. That's why your sky wizard won't come down from the sky for your interest to prove he's real and smite me.