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  • Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

    I was tearing last week's newspapers into strips and twisting them into firelighters for the winter when I came across this story.

    Scientists have sent a ‘mental message’ from one person to another 4,000 miles away in what they claim is the world’s first successful telepathy experiment.

    My first thought was that we all use telepathy every day in our conversations with , but this story is about 2 people - one in India, the other in France - communicating with each other without words. Now this sounded like witchcraft. But there are so many holes in the story that I can make no sense of it.

    1. First off, they tried to communicate the single Italian word "ciao". Apparently this is pronounced "chow", like the English for food, or the weird-looking dog, and it means both hello and goodbye (how typical of the lazy Eyeties). So here's the first question: if you're going to get 2 people to send a one-word message, why choose a word that's not in either of their languages? Plus, why choose a word with so many different meanings? This is Genesis 11:7 taken to extremes.

    Why not make it easy and have them think of a picture, something simple like this:



    Then nobody would have to worry about the word for rose in French, whatever that may be, or in Sioux or Navajo or whatever gobbledygook the Indian spoke.

    2. They had internet connections and headsets:

    They connected one person in Mumbai, India, to a wireless headset linked to the internet, and another person to a similar device in Paris.
    Excuse me if I'm missing the point here, but in that case why didn't they just use email or Skype? Is secular science all about making things needlessly complicated?

    3. IT DIDN'T WORK!

    The subject receiving the message could not comprehend the word itself, but could report flashes of light in their brain that corresponded to the exact moment when the word ‘ciao’ was being thought.
    Right, like that's going to work! I send a message that says Hi (or See You, or Food, or Dog) and you see some flashing lights.

    4.
    ‘We are using technology to interact electromagnetically with the brain.’
    Something like a telephone, then, but less efficient.

    Brothers and Sisters, why was this even reported in the quality press?

    Yours in Faith, but in this case also in Confusion,
    Joanna
    Vaccinated by the love of Jesus!!!

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    Re: Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

    There is a fairly simple, rational, logical explanation for all this: Demons. As a Godless, unsaved foreigner, and the kind of person who goes around collaborating with secular scientists, it's pretty clear that the subject being tested would have a whole host of demons infesting their head. Humans can't be aware of things being thought 4,000 miles away, but it makes sense to assume that Satan and his minions can. When the demonic imps infesting this poor sinner's head noticed someone thinking "Ciao", they naturally perked their ears up in case one of their servants in the Vatican was about to start saying something, and that demonic activity is what caused the flashes of light that the scientists picked up. All perfectly simple and logical when you think about it.
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      Re: Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

      I'm pretty sure only God is telepathic since the Bible only mentions Him knowing what other people are thinking:

      (Genesis 6:5) "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

      (Psalms 94:11) "The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity."

      (1 Chronicles 28:9) "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever."

      Etc. etc.

      In fact, it pretty much says we CAN'T know the thoughts of each other, so obviously this is a bunch of demonic baloney as Brother Temperance points out.

      (1 Corinthians 2:11) "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

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        Re: Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

        1. First off, they tried to communicate the single Italian word "ciao". Apparently this is pronounced "chow", like the English for food, or the weird-looking dog, and it means both hello and goodbye (how typical of the lazy Eyeties). So here's the first question: if you're going to get 2 people to send a one-word message, why choose a word that's not in either of their languages? Plus, why choose a word with so many different meanings? This is Genesis 11:7 taken to extremes.
        Sister I think that as a test that they would speak in a broad generalized way that both would understand. Let's say this experiment were done between us, a word that excites the both of us should be used, like Rapture.
        If anything were able to pass telepathically to me it would be rapture. I look forward to it every day. We are True Christians this would, of course, be foremost in our thoughts. But when you wire up a catylick and a hindistani worshipper they have no points of reference. The only thing they have in common is food (or poorly made movies) so the word chow would be something that both think about all he time.
        One thing I would like to see done, to test the efficacy of the test itself move up to a 2 word description they would both think about, hairy women, another thing common to both.
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        Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
        Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

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          Re: Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

          Originally posted by Zechariah Smyth View Post
          In fact, it pretty much says we CAN'T know the thoughts of each other, so obviously this is a bunch of demonic baloney as Brother Temperance points out.

          (1 Corinthians 2:11) "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."
          I always wondered about that passage, given what Job said:

          Behold, I know your thoughts, and the devices which ye wrongfully imagine against me. Job 21:27

          Of course, Job could have been mistaken (I doubt someone that pious would stoop to lying). Or maybe he had spies. I'm sure there's some rational explanation. But everybody knows that telepathy isn't real. Only miracles are real.

          Originally posted by Benedict A. Davis View Post
          If anything were able to pass telepathically to me it would be rapture. I look forward to it every day. We are True Christians this would, of course, be foremost in our thoughts.
          I was thinking about the Rapture at the exact moment you posted that! I'm not saying that's a miracle, though. I think about the Rapture a lot. Though mostly I think about it right around final exams, not when the semester is just starting.
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            Re: Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

            Originally posted by Benedict A. Davis View Post
            But when you wire up a catylick and a hindistani worshipper they have no points of reference. The only thing they have in common is food (or poorly made movies) so the word chow would be something that both think about all the time.
            The hindoo was probably thinking "I'm starving", then - a concept that would be completely foreign to the greedy French. Maybe the flashing lights the froggie saw were just the onset of a migraine, brought on by a 4-course meal involving far too much wine and cream and followed by stinky cheese.
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              Re: Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

              Originally posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey View Post
              Brothers and Sisters, why was this even reported in the quality press?
              I don't remember seeing it on Fox News.
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                Re: Telepathy between humans: scientist witchcraft or fraud?

                The hindoo was probably thinking "I'm starving", then - a concept that would be completely foreign to the greedy French. Maybe the flashing lights the froggie saw were just the onset of a migraine, brought on by a 4-course meal involving far too much wine and cream and followed by stinky cheese.
                If there was a hindoo involved, it's demons.

                The hindoo was probably thinking "I'm starving", then - a concept that would be completely foreign to the greedy French. Maybe the flashing lights the froggie saw were just the onset of a migraine, brought on by a 4-course meal involving far too much wine and cream and followed by stinky cheese.
                The French are well known for absinthe consumption. Take a look at this maniac. Obviously insane, he glorifies the green fairy such as the painting done of a young Frenchman overcome by fumes presumably a self portrait [RIGHT] and we're not just talking absinthe here are we. Remember, this is France. Ether will be on the drinks menu, together with chloroform, opium, bizarre methylene compounds and a fine assortment of alkyl nitrites I shouldn't wonder & no wonder he's looking green around the gills. And my point is that all this has a detrimental effect on one's eyeballs, particularly the retina.


                RETINAL DETACHMENT
                Symptoms by Mayo Clinic Staff

                Retinal detachment itself is painless, but retinal detachment warning signs and symptoms almost always appear before it occurs or has advanced. Retinal detachment symptoms may include:
                • The sudden appearance of many floaters — small bits of debris in your field of vision that look like spots, hairs or strings and seem to float before your eyes

                Sudden flashes of light in the affected eye
                • A shadow or curtain over a portion of your visual field that develops as the detachment progresses



                So a Frenchman sees flashes of light. Not really news. Not even surprising. But what is very surprising is that he should associate the hallucination with Indian fakirs sending telepathic beams. That is in fact a symptom of the schizophrenia demon, but I am rather sceptical that telepathy uses beams. For that to work you'd need to know exactly where your target was, and if you knew that you wouldn't need telepathy in the first place. It could be an unfocused beam I suppose, but then surely more people would pick up the flashing lights. And if it's not a beam at all but a field, say, then it would have universal effect much like the electromagnetic field they actually mentioned.






                EXAMPLE 1


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                . . . . . . . . . . »»»»»»»»»»»»beam»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
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                the beam model of telepathy


                Fairly straightforward. The pirate sends a beam out but needs to know where to point it. Next comes the unfocused beam.





                EXAMPLE 2



                the unfocused beam

                Well, here the pirate's telepathic talents fan out somewhat akin one might suggest to the stage floozy making sure that the audience gets a good view while denying that privelege to the stage hands. Whether or not a pirate in India would be targeting any French persons is a moot point since the lights would be flashing for Belgians, Iranians, Greeks and Englishes alike (to name but four) with no reception for Burmese, Indonesians or Australians. Not a very persuasive model.





                EXAMPLE 3

                the field

                This is a slightly better proposition. Ignoring the fact that if it were so—facts don't bother demons too much—everyone would be getting flashing lights and echoes, other characteristics of the human organism (body odour for example) do tend to propagate this way with some allowance for wind I suppose but then clairaudients frequently cite environmental factors when their "powers" don't work and I can't see how one should determine location for transmitting a focused beam in a way that prevents delivering any message at the same time.


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                Clearly this is demonic activity. Satan himself prowls around engaging with such cunning stunts willy-nilly and specialises in light simulations. He and his myriad fallen angels desire nothing more than that we should be deceived to wallow in orgiastic séances hallucinating wildly and which two countries better exemplify that endeavour than India and France.


                I PETER
                5:8-10c
                Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect
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