[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Well at the moment of flicking yourself up by the knees with your arms folded and a beatific grin in the lotus position and concentrating on not coming unstuck, I'm sure that mental coherence is of paramount importance.

Not quite paramount, Sister Mitza. You are forgetting the necessity of a very bouncy mattress.

[MitzaLizalor]

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[Dennis Lukes]

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All those Hindaloos and Bootyists believe that meditation gives them superpowers:

Anyone with any sense knows meditation is a waste of time. We Christians do something similar with our prayer, but we're talking to God! Heathens aren't talking to anybody, so they won't get any benefits, and if they hear anyone whispering back, it's Satan, not Jesus.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Acts 16:16-19 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: the same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,

Satan clearly controlled the spirit of divination operating through that damsel. Not everyone could hear what was whispered to her, otherwise there'd be no need for her owners to charge people to find out what she'd heard. Once the thing was exorcised, though, the damsel stopped working. Do you think she meditated?

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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If meditation worked, then why don't they meditate for it to stop COVIDing in India, like Gov Perry did with his Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas? Because they know it won't work that's why.

The only reason Christian prayers, like Gov Perry's following which drought continued for 168 days, don't work is because Muslims are saying the opposite prayers that cancel out the good Christian prayers which is why we need to fight them over there to make sure all of our prayers are answered all of the time not just sometimes.

[MitzaLizalor]

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If meditation worked, then why don't they meditate for it to stop COVIDing in India, like Gov Perry did with his Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas? Because they know it won't work that's why.

The only reason Christian prayers, like Gov Perry's following which drought continued for 168 days, don't work is because Muslims are saying the opposite prayers that cancel out the good Christian prayers which is why we need to fight them over there to make sure all of our prayers are answered all of the time not just sometimes.

Don't people meditate all the time in India already? That's where TM (transcendental meditation) comes from. For some reason in a previous post I forgot to include any text. They say they can reduce crime if enough of them go pinging about off their knees. I gathered from what I read [various links] that in their deluded state they're unaware of muscles working to flick themselves off à la the springy mattress. That state of unawareness is achieved through meditation. Once they go ballistic there'd be a sense of weightlessness, is that correct Doctor Toole?

Surely it can't last very long. Before I learned The Truth of The Gospel frequently I would act like an idiot, acting up at swimming pools, prancing around in ridiculous clothes with my friends (I made everyone's clothes) and some shoes like this:

(we took turns on the shoes which may not be inherently sinful but it's very difficult to stay balanced - I think the design can be seen clearly enough, at least on the red ones) as I was saying the shoes are unstable and we would carry on like idiots in public which included jumping off diving boards, limbs flailing wildly, I'm sure I don't need to go on..

Our spring shoes were chrome plated and did not have that sole thing underneath the springs, perhaps more like the taupe lace-ups if the black pegs are just there for display purposes. My point being that even off the highest diving board the "flying" sensation is very short-lived! Therefore, I reasoned, given the time dilation already brought on by the TM trance, something akin to those shoes could be of benefit (to the guru selling flying lessons) and therefore may already be in use. One release & resetting device per spring (i.e. several hundreds either under the floor or fitted internally somehow.

But meditation doesn't work (unless you're the guru) as the briefest visit to India makes abundantly clear. I can't understand how anyone could return home thinking, "Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaah, that's the model I'd like for my town!" namely a magic river so contaminated with corpses that those who bathe in it die off like moths at a bonfire.

They did have the good sense to slough off their moon worshippers though, the effect of whose prayers is manifest in those two states where "economy" seems to be a dirty word. They declared war on each other of course. But, as you suggested, whstever it is they call "prayer" does seem to have a very negative effect.

James 3:15-18 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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Confirming what True Christians already knew, a study in the UK carried out over eight years by 100 researchers working with 28,000 teenagers and 650 teachers in 100 schools, has found "school-based mindfulness training does not appear to boost wellbeing or improve the mental health of teenagers".

According to the report "researchers wanted to find out whether a universal mindfulness intervention in secondary schools might help build resilience and have a positive impact on pupil wellbeing". Instead, "many of them found it boring". Evidence for its effectiveness was "weak".

Undeterred by this blinding illumination, "Prof Mark Williams, director of the Oxford Mindfulness Centre and co-investigator at the University of Oxford, said the findings confirmed the huge burden of mental health challenges that young people face, and the urgent need to find a way to help."

But presumably not mindfulness...?

“If today’s young people are to be enthused enough to practise mindfulness, then updating training to suit different needs and giving them a say in the approach they prefer are the vital next steps."

Ah, more mindfulness. Training in mindfulness. A variety of mindfulness options.

If only the demonically deluded Prof Williams would open his eyes and look at proven solutions - prayer, discipline, punishment - which work perfectly well in prisons and workplaces, then the pupils wouldn't waste their time doing tasks "many of them found boring". Ditto art, gender studies and geography.

[MitzaLizalor]

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I always enjoyed "Art" and in particular (this was before I found out about Jesus) the bit where you make the biggest mess you can using as many materials as you can get your hands on then, waiting right up to where the discipline is about to begin (just to make it a worthwhile challenge) thinking up an explanation of what the mess artwork was. You could look up some interesting words to use in the library and one day—quite memorable—I brought in a bottle of acid from the science area and poured it over today's art materials. Wow!!!!! It didn't actually explode but the amount of fumes was horrific: everyone had to be evacuated: I said it was an immersive piece representing humanity's destruction through ignorance. Probably I was an irritating pupil but did tend to get good marks in that subject.

updating training to suit different needs and giving them a say in the approach they prefer

I have no idea what "mindfulness" is but can predict the approach most learner groups would pinpoint as being the most effective. With which they'd most readily engage. The ganja, made into a pot of tea or something, would probably be available in Oxford, for research purposes. Aldous Huxley went there didn't he? He was another keen researcher.

Sometimes they say "meditation" is a pre-scientific form of psychoanalysis. There are places where virtually everyone has a therapist, similar to the way everyone else has a newsagent or a cake shop. Generally the outcome does not recommend itself to me; my assessment is that these shrinks are just drumming up business for themselves. Mostly I make my own cakes but do have a baker where I buy apple strudel occasionally. He's Dutch. I do not have a therapist but at this stage will not be shrinking my own head. That's as close to mindfulness as I'm likely to get.