What defines a False Religion?

[Azakiel]

This is my first post and I will be honest about it, I am a follower of Abbraxas, now before you go gather the tar and feathers first listen.
I believe in God, yet for my believe he has no name. A name means binding the almighty power to limits, for a name is a human thing.
Infinite power can not be named.
I believe that Jesus died for our sins, but I also believe that humanity is ignoring that and is forgetting that we are falling into oblivion again so to speak.

Where I live (Holland), a church is hard to find, most are closed to people and are mostly arrogant. So a discussion there is next to impossible.

I believe in God, but in another way that most people around here do. Does that make my religion False?

P.S: I am not here to flame or start a war or anything, I am just curious.

[Azakiel]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

double post since I can't seem to edit my post:

I am a goth, I play world of warcraft. and I believe in God, you can call me a Heathen all you want for that or Godless, but please before you do, show some proof that God doesn't want Goths, nor WoW.
The Bible is about respect and love for each other. Not unbased hatred towards a group or person.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

Dear friend:

A false religion is any religion that departs from the Truth. Consider how many religions there are and historically have been, and how many denominations there are just within what is commonly called "Christianity." They can't all be true, can they?

The true religion is the one that motivates people to obey God's commandments — all of them, not just those that liberal "Christians" cherry-pick:

Matt. 7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

That is, even believing in the right God will get you damned unless you believe in God in the right way and act on it.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

The Bible is about respect and love for each other.

There's a lot more to the Bible than the fluffy-bunny parts.

Not unbased hatred towards a group or person.

Hatred is never unfounded when it agrees with God:

Psalm 139:21-22: Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

[Azakiel]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

so.. logic states in that part that if I'm not Christian I am damned, that's the way the dutch churches explain it. I just believe that if you believe in God, and trust in him, you will be loved.

who is right here? church or me?

[Azakiel]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

There's a lot more to the Bible than the fluffy-bunny parts.

Hatred is never unfounded when it agrees with God:

Psalm 139:21-22: Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

ok the last part, let's look at that closely. It speaks about individuals. You cannot hate all the Goths because some are against God. Same with Muslims, etc.
A lot of the most dedicated God followers I know are Goths. the most Muslims I know respect God, respect the Bible, just like they respect the religion they grew up in.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

so.. logic states in that part that if I'm not Christian I am damned, that's the way the dutch churches explain it. I just believe that if you believe in God, and trust in him, you will be loved.

who is right here? church or me?

See the passage from Matthew that I've quoted above. Jesus is right, and you're wrong.

ok the last part, let's look at that closely. It speaks about individuals. You cannot hate all the Goths because some are against God. Same with Muslims, etc.
A lot of the most dedicated God followers I know are Goths. the most Muslims I know respect God, respect the Bible, just like they respect the religion they grew up in.

If a group (like the mooselimbs) is defined by rejecting True Christianity™, then by definition, all of the members of that group are against God. Those who aren't against God are called ex-mooselimbs and converts to Christianity. If your reasoning were correct, God would have been in the wrong to order the holy genocides that He routinely ordered in Old Testament times, no?

[Azakiel]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

See the passage from Matthew that I've quoted above. Jesus is right, and you're wrong.

If a group (like the mooselimbs) is defined by rejecting True Christianity™, then by definition, all of the members of that group are against God. Those who aren't against God are called ex-mooselimbs and converts to Christianity. If your reasoning were correct, God would have been in the wrong to order the holy genocides that He routinely ordered in Old Testament times, no?

Please do quote the "genocides he routinely" ordered against muslims, goths, and everyone else people are racist against.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

Please do quote the "genocides he routinely" ordered against muslims, goths, and everyone else people are racist against.

Obviously, the Bible doesn't single out by name those groups that the devil hadn't yet created when the Bible was written. My point is that God has been known to condemn entire groups of people.

[Azakiel]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

Obviously, the Bible doesn't single out by name those groups that the devil hadn't yet created when the Bible was written. My point is that God has been known to condemn entire groups of people.

exactly my point. Since God does, we should act like Him and do as Him? Leave the judging to God when they reach his throne. They will suffer then. Right now they suffer Herecy? it's a strong word. But let's call it that for now. They suffer by not being guarded by God, not being loved. Is that not a burden enough for them?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

exactly my point. Since God does, we should act like Him and do as Him? Leave the judging to God when they reach his throne. They will suffer then. Right now they suffer Herecy? it's a strong word. But let's call it that for now. They suffer by not being guarded by God, not being loved. Is that not a burden enough for them?

Are you deliberately being obtuse? When God commanded genocide, what were the believers supposed to do, say, "Well, gee, God, we don't want to come across as judgmental or anything"? As for leaving the judging to God, if that were such a big deal to Him, then He wouldn't have revealed a Bible with verses like these:

John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Cor. 6:2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Obviously, God wants us to judge. He just doesn't want us to judge hypocritically, as the have-a-nice-day liberal "Christians" would know if they ever deigned to read their "Judge not" fragment in context.

[Azakiel]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

1 Cor. 6:2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

The saints shall judge the world, are we the saints? NO
And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? This question remains open. You chose to fill your answer one way, others filled it in another way.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

The saints shall judge the world, are we the saints? NO

It's readily apparent that you're not, but do you even know who the saints are, according to the Bible?

And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? This question remains open. You chose to fill your answer one way, others filled it in another way.

No, the question does not remain open. The context is a specific instruction to judge; I don't know how the question could be more closed. You've never even opened a Bible, have you?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

The Bible is about respect and love for each other.

No, you're thinking of the Kama Sutra. The Bible is about respect and love for God.

exactly my point. Since God does, we should act like Him and do as Him? Leave the judging to God when they reach his throne. They will suffer then. Right now they suffer Herecy? it's a strong word. But let's call it that for now. They suffer by not being guarded by God, not being loved. Is that not a burden enough for them?

No. If that was enough of a burden for them, God would have told us to leave them alone, rather than telling us to punish them.

The saints shall judge the world, are we the saints? NO

Well, you're certainly not.

[Atheist and Agnostic]

Re: What defines a False Religion?

When God commanded genocide, what were the believers supposed to do, say, "Well, gee, God, we don't want to come across as judgmental or anything"?

Where does God command genocide?