Honestly curious

[Miss Abigail]

I'm just wondering where you people get your information.

I myself am a pagan *waits for ban for that purpose alone* and I read through some of these posts because a friend had seen this site and suggested that I take a look.

The fact that you mention eating babies is so amusing I don't even know where to begin. I gave birth 4 months ago and my daughter is happy and healthy...and fully intact I might add. I don't eat children, nor do I rape small animals or any of the other things you have mentioned.

You also said that Pagans do not make it past 16 or some other nonsense, but this is again not true. I'm 19, very good health. So how can you say any of this?


The sad fact is, I probably know your bible better then you and I don't follow it. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" If you think this is you, well I'll personally welcome you to 'Hell'. Your religion teaches you to love everyone, hate is a sin, yet on this site you celebrate the murder of a 'goth' who was minding her own business and cast away anyone with a slightly different thought process.

It's people like you that make everyone else not want to be a Cristian. All this talk of hell fire and brimstone kinda turns people off.


So what gives you the right to judge me as you do? Are you god? I think not.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Honestly curious

I myself am a pagan *waits for ban for that purpose alone*

We don't ban people for being wrong.

The sad fact is, I probably know your bible better then you and I don't follow it.

I think it's unlikely that you know the Bible better than people who study it every day, but I could be wrong. Let's see...

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Yes, but...

1John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Jesus has taken away our sins, so saved Christians ARE without sin. How about that?

Your religion teaches you to love everyone, hate is a sin

Is that so?

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Wow! Not only is hate not a sin, it's a REQUIREMENT.

So what gives you the right to judge me as you do?

God gives us the right.

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I Cor 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Thanks for stopping by, friend. It's always entertaining when someone who knows nothing about Christianity or the Bible preaches to us on what our faith should be.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Miss Abigail]

Re: Honestly curious

We don't ban people for being wrong.


I think it's unlikely that you know the Bible better than people who study it every day, but I could be wrong. Let's see...


Yes, but...

1John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Jesus has taken away our sins, so saved Christians ARE without sin. How about that?


Is that so?

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Wow! Not only is hate not a sin, it's a REQUIREMENT.


God gives us the right.

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I Cor 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Thanks for stopping by, friend. It's always entertaining when someone who knows nothing about Christianity or the Bible preaches to us on what our faith should be.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

oh you guys are so much fun

You say you are without sin? It says LOVE the sinner..HATE the sin. That does not mean go around hating people you seem to think are wrong.

your 'god' is the only one who is supposed to judge am I correct? I'd hate to be you on judgment day...he might get mad that you tried to take over his job and all

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Honestly curious

You say you are without sin?

No, ma'am. The Bible says that we are without sin. I didn't write it, I just believe it.

It says LOVE the sinner..HATE the sin.

Where does it say that? Chapter and verse reference, please.

God hates the sinner AND the sin.

Prov 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Prov 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Prov 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Prov 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

your 'god' is the only one who is supposed to judge am I correct?

No, you are not correct, and I just posted the passages where God COMMANDS us to judge. Are you on drugs or something?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Miss Abigail]

Re: Honestly curious

No, ma'am. The Bible says that we are without sin. I didn't write it, I just believe it.


Where does it say that? Chapter and verse reference, please.

God hates the sinner AND the sin.

Prov 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Prov 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Prov 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Prov 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


No, you are not correct, and I just posted the passages where God COMMANDS us to judge. Are you on drugs or something?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

well because I am Pagan, according to you and your like, I am of course on drugs. But in truth no, and none of the other Pagans I know are either...odd how that works huh?


If your god is so hateful and judgmental what's the point in following the religion? If all you're supposed to do is hate and treat everyone like shit...that doesn't seem like time well spent to me


My family is full of christians...none of them however are like the people I see on here. So I'm honestly just trying to figure out what it is you people believe.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Honestly curious

If your god is so hateful and judgmental what's the point in following the religion?

God is loving and merciful to the folks who love Him and do His will. He only hates and judges unrepentant sinners.

If all you're supposed to do is hate and treat everyone like shit...that doesn't seem like time well spent to me

Would an eternity of torment in Hell be time better spent?

Besides, that's not all we do. We have church services, covered-dish suppers, Friday night gospel sings, youth group trips, church retreats (that's where you go to a cabin in the mountains for a weekend to study the Bible and pray), tent revivals, outreach ministries, street-preaching, Bible study, choir, and handbells.

My family is full of christians...none of them however are like the people I see on here. So I'm honestly just trying to figure out what it is you people believe.

We believe God and His word in the Bible. The "Christians" in your family are obviously the salad-bar type who pick the parts of the Bible they like and ignore the rest.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Miss Abigail]

Re: Honestly curious

God is loving and merciful to the folks who love Him and do His will. He only hates and judges unrepentant sinners.


Would an eternity of torment in Hell be time better spent?

Besides, that's not all we do. We have church services, covered-dish suppers, Friday night gospel sings, youth group trips, church retreats (that's where you go to a cabin in the mountains for a weekend to study the Bible and pray), tent revivals, outreach ministries, street-preaching, Bible study, choir, and handbells.


We believe God and His word in the Bible. The "Christians" in your family are obviously the salad-bar type who pick the parts of the Bible they like and ignore the rest.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

...uh huh...

but you forgot to mention that you also beat your wives

[Nobar King]

Re: Honestly curious

Paraphrase: I'm not on drugs and I don't know any other wiccans who are.

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So, you don't know any other wiccans?

[Miss Abigail]

Re: Honestly curious

Paraphrase: I'm not on drugs and I don't know any other wiccans who are.

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So, you don't know any other wiccans?

I know plenty. None of whom do drugs

[Micah Boenheffer]

Re: Honestly curious

I know plenty. None of whom do drugs

I don't mean to presume, but Pastor Reuben was possibly just using the accusation as a figure of speech as much as an outright accusation of drug use.

You had wrongly questioned us about our ability to judge others. Pastor Reuben laid it out Word and Verse for you as to why according to God we can judge. As clear as day it was.

The very next post you make the same challenge about judgment again. It is a bit irritating and confusing why you would do that. Your question is answered and yet you go right back to the question that was just answered. 'Are you on drugs' is a typical comment used by people to question such odd behavior.

Well are you on drugs? Is there something wrong with you that you can't even connect with the most straightforward of answers? Or are you being proud because your point was quickly and decisively countered? Or is it just that you like to play the victim and wallow in self pity? Twisting every little comment into a barbed arrow with which to pierce yourself.

Whatever it is something is not connecting. Something is hurting you or turning you aside from proper understanding. You are pretending to be happy in your false idolatry when deep inside you sense something is wrong. Things are not complete within you even though you tell yourself you have arrived at the truth. There is a little Voice that you are trying to drown out that is telling you that you have yet to arrive at THE TRUTH.

Ask yourself truly why you are here. That little Voice has lead you here. What has been leading you astray knows this and is clawing away at you and clouding your mind. Causing anger and confusion. Take control and quiet the storm for a moment. Quiet everything down and listen to that voice for a moment.

It's telling you that you are close to home now. Here you are on the path to Salvation.

God Bless sister.

[Miss Abigail]

Re: Honestly curious

I don't mean to presume, but Pastor Reuben was possibly just using the accusation as a figure of speech as much as an outright accusation of drug use.

You had wrongly questioned us about our ability to judge others. Pastor Reuben laid it out Word and Verse for you as to why according to God we can judge. As clear as day it was.

The very next post you make the same challenge about judgment again. It is a bit irritating and confusing why you would do that. Your question is answered and yet you go right back to the question that was just answered. 'Are you on drugs' is a typical comment used by people to question such odd behavior.

Well are you on drugs? Is there something wrong with you that you can't even connect with the most straightforward of answers? Or are you being proud because your point was quickly and decisively countered? Or is it just that you like to play the victim and wallow in self pity? Twisting every little comment into a barbed arrow with which to pierce yourself.

Whatever it is something is not connecting. Something is hurting you or turning you aside from proper understanding. You are pretending to be happy in your false idolatry when deep inside you sense something is wrong. Things are not complete within you even though you tell yourself you have arrived at the truth. There is a little Voice that you are trying to drown out that is telling you that you have yet to arrive at THE TRUTH.

Ask yourself truly why you are here. That little Voice has lead you here. What has been leading you astray knows this and is clawing away at you and clouding your mind. Causing anger and confusion. Take control and quiet the storm for a moment. Quiet everything down and listen to that voice for a moment.

It's telling you that you are close to home now. Here you are on the path to Salvation.

God Bless sister.

I'm very happy in my religion and don't plan on changing it.


road to 'salvation' my ass

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Honestly curious

I know plenty. None of whom do drugs

Wicca was "invented" in 1954 by Gerald Gardner, a British bureaucrat. None of his claims to being "authentic" are in any way verifiable. None of your "wicca" friends are going to tell you the truth because, according to Gardner, you have to be "inducted" into his false religion before you can know what is really going on.

Get with Jesus now before it is too late.

[JennyD]

Re: Honestly curious

Miss Crabby Gail, you don't sound curious at all. In fact, you sound downright rude.

You joined this peaceful Christian Church forum and began attacking and insulting not just us -- your HOSTS, as you are a GUEST here -- but also God.

Is this the sort of behavior you Wiccans think is appropriate?

Looks like proof positive that you people have no morals OR common sense, because you are without God.

[Micah Boenheffer]

Re: Honestly curious

I'm very happy in my religion and don't plan on changing it.


road to 'salvation' my ass

I planted the seed. That is enough. I hear your harsh and hateful words, but I know better. His word is pulsating within you now. It may not be today or tomorrow, but it is starting to grow within you. When you finally do come with Him you will know it was at this moment that His Word was planted within you. When His Word reaches Its apex within you and you shout, "Oh God, Glory, and Hallelujah!", at the top of your voice you will remember this day.

I'll be awaiting your apology. Not with apprehension, but with certainty. There is no longer choice in the equation.

[Nobar King]

Re: Honestly curious

I'm very happy in my religion and don't plan on changing it.

I presume that you weren't born into a wiccan family, so you already have a history of changing religions. Where did you learn about wicca, from the internet or a comic book? I suspect that you're the type to change religions like you change your socks.