The rise of Jesus Questionable or Not?

[salvation-in-a-can]

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That you hate God? Don't worry. We got your point.

I hate people who hate people who hate people who hate God.

[JennyD]

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You don't think baby jesus was real?

Of course he thinks Jesus was real. Grownup Jesus, even.

He just thinks Jesus stayed dead. However, Jesus being God, how could He?

[Malcolm Ten]

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You don't think baby jesus was real?

[A Mad Dog]

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There are many proofs and good books that illustrate the truthfulness of the Scriptures. If you do not want to see the beauty and the truthfulness of the Holy Scriptures then I hope and pray that you find the truth.

[Jo Freddie]

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The resurrection of Jesus is the central tenet of Christianity. Without the resurrection, the rest all falls apart.

Glad to see you acknowledging that it falls apart so easily.

RAmen

Will you be joining us for Pasta in the celebration of the one true explanation of creation?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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It seems that you didn't get my point...

That you hate God? Don't worry. We got your point.

[mngash]

The rise of Jesus Questionable or Not?

It seems that you didn't get my point...

I think there are people here knows what this article is about...

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Sir, I expect this from 4 and 5 year olds. Let me tell you of the Landover Campaign to Abolish The Beatles back in the 1960’s. You may still be able to recall this “Popular Beat Combo”, one of whom said he was better known that Jesus.

In planning the campaign, we noted that the “Fab Four” appeared

• Descending from an airplane unto a crowd of women
• Before a group of men from newspapers
• To excited hotel staff
• To a woman in a convenience store
• To millions on TV
• Before an audience of thousands
• etc.

Yet you believe that these are contradictions and conclude that “The Beatles” probably never existed.

[Nobar King]

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I can't tell how much of the above was stolen from the author, some queen. Is that all this is? Atheists: You can't disprove God just by twisting some scripture!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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The resurrection of Jesus is the central tenet of Christianity. Without the resurrection, the rest all falls apart.

Are you trying to destroy Christianity, pal? Is that why satan sent you here?

[JennyD]

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Too long; didn't read.

Why are you trying to turn us from Jesus? Will your master, Satan, give you extra bonus points for bringing him Christian souls?

[Nurse Clampett]

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Why do you hate Baby Jesus so much, MingeGash?

[mngash]

In 1866, a book entitled" The Truth about Christianity” has aroused the interest of many readers. The author, Ch. Ruelle, a French historicist, wrote:

"To exclude the possibility of Jesus being resurrected from among the dead means the fall of Christianity."

This opinion was not the first opinion to appear at that time; many similar opinions during the Enlightenment age were adopted by the scientists of this age. In their research, they depended on the scientific and linguistic progress.

It is well established that Paul was the first to center his interest on “the resurrection of Jesus from among the dead" giving blind eyes to any further details about his life.

In his book about the history of the Bibles, M. Quenelle, says:

"But for the rise of Jesus, bibles and church would have not seen the light. It is to the Easter by which Jesus’ life, which ended in failure, turned to be a way of hopes.

In fact, Jesus' rise from among the dead will remain the most important curve in the story of Jesus, the doctrine of salvation, from the Christian point of view. It would be just dust in air if it is proved to be discredited and that is why the church centers its interest on fostering and nourishing it by all possible means.

The idea of the rise of gods is common among the Hellenistic gods; they all die and rise after three days and special ceremonies are given to their anniversaries.

The story of Osiris, an ancient Egyptian god, is based on death the god then rising from among the dead. This is not the single story; it is also repeated when reviewing the story of Mithras, Adonis and Aties; they all died and remained dead for three days during which they descended into Hell then they rose from death.

It should be born in mind that none had ever seen or attended their rise from among the dead, the same thing is also true when we talk about Jesus. Just few words about shrouding him in a coffin. None was reported to have seen the rise of Jesus. All that we have is some words about an angel, according to Mathew (8:2) and two angels according John (20:12) helped in moving the stone, this aroused the mockery of thinkers, among them Selsyous, who lived in the second century AD, he says: "How can the son of God be unable to move the stone?!!"

Though the present Bibles elaborate on this doctrine, the doctrine of the rise of Jess which is based on finding the tomb empty, this will always remain unsupportive and shaky historical evidence – none was reported to have seen him going out of the tomb.

According to Mathew:

Jesus appeared two times after his rise; one of those is to two women near the tomb near Jerusalem and the second (the first and the last time) to his disciples while they were in Galilee, this narration doesn't mention any disciple by name.

According to Mark:

Jesus appeared three times: to a lady while sitting alone, to two disciples and to the eleven disciples together. Neither the time nor the place is given here, nor the place from which Jesus ascended to the heavens.

According to Luke:

Jesus appeared three times on the same day, the first of these to his disciples on the way to Emmaus, this period extended to the noon and Jesus disappeared all of sudden because they recognized him then he appeared to Simon Peter – note that no time or place was determined –then he appeared to all the disciples together on the day of the ascension till he was lifted to the heavens; no mention of any lady; no mention of a commission to the disciples; no evidence that they went to the place he ordered them to go.

According to John:

John's narration says that he appeared four times:

(1)The first to Mary Magdalene on the day of the alleged resurrection and not on her first visit.

(2)Three times to the disciples

The first on the evening of the alleged resurrection day and the morning of Saturday when the disciples were together in Jerusalem in a place sealed tightly by doors, (Thomas) was excluded in this meeting.

The second time happened after three days and eight days following the rise from the tomb, Thomas was there.

The third in Galilee, no time is given.

In the Acts:

Despite the multitude of contradictions in Acts with the Bibles concerning the rise of Jesus, these are among the most important:

No mention of the time of Jesus ascension to the heavens before his disciples.

No reference to eye-witnesses who might have listened to Jesus talk to his disciples or even saw them.

No mention of a certain lady that Jesus appeared to.

Contrary to the Bibles, Acts emphasizes that Jesus had remained for forty days on the earth during which he appeared to 500 people. From which sources did Acts get such contradictions from?

To sum up, no one had seen Jesus rise from the tomb in the Bible, the Bibles do not give any account of Jesus alleged resurrection, and the only evidence that they have to support their belief is the discredited tale of the empty tomb.

All these texts converge that Jesus died and was buried on Friday evening and rose either at Saturday's dawn or on Sunday and this contradicts the narration that he had remained for three days.

Mark describes the process of Jesus unmindful that it was one day before the Easter, a day on which all works and activities should be stopped.

We have just referred to few contradictions that make the whole story of salvation questionable, these contradictions could be condensed as follow:

There is a contradiction regarding the number of the days Jesus spent after his alleged rise from among the dead.

There is a contradiction regarding whom saw him.

There are contradictions about the number of his appearances.

There are contradictions about how many saw him.

There is a contradiction as regards the place of the tomb

No mention at all who saw him

There is contradiction about who moved the stone.

Conclusion:

If all of these contradictions are there instead of agreements, then the story itself is not true.

Jesus being crucified, then into tomb he was carried, then some one moved the stone, then he rose from among the dead and then to heaven he went to sit next to God: all of this is a hoax.

The Gospels of Peter and Judas say that he was neither crucified nor buried, they say that some one else was crucified and Jesus was lifted to heaven- exactly like the Holy Qur’an says.

Moreover, historical studies say that there had been sixteen saviours whom their followers had given the same story that Christians give to Jesus.