The Forgiven and Loved Cult

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: The Forgiven and Loved Cult

whatever anyone says that contradicts God's special revelation (the Bible) is false.

Well said. So, why do you contradict the Bible? Are you of the devil, attempting to lead souls to Hell through your lies?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: The Forgiven and Loved Cult

The Bible absolutely shows us that we will continue to sin -- even after we have been saved. You can see in Romans 7, from my earlier post, that even the Apostle Paul continued to deal with sin. Here is the exact verses for you who are not familiar with them:

Romans 7:15-16, "For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good."

Here, Paul is making a case to show that the law is good because it reveals that we are sinners and in need of a Savior. We will not cease to sin completely until Jesus Christ has returned.

I see you only read the parts of the Bible which confirm your sinful deathstyle choices.

1 John 3

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Since it appears that you lean to the extreme side of saying that believers no longer sin, you probably place me on the other side -- which isn't entirely true. Although I believe forgiven sinners will continue to sin, I do not believe they/we will live a life of habitual sin.

Yet you provide a site which encourages visitors to "vote up" the most popular sins? How is this not mere titillation? People gain prominence by posting the most interesting stories about things they should bear with shame, for sinning against God and spitting in the face of His great sacrifice of temporary death and self-resurrection!

Using my previous post, since the points were not clearly understood, what about David as well? Here is a man who trusted in God greatly, was chosen by God to be His anointed king over Israel, and was called a man after His own heart, yet His life was riddle with failures (adultery, murder, etc).

Steve

Did David come before or after the New Covenant?

Before Jesus, atonement was achieved through animal sacrifices. David was under the Old Covenant.

After Jesus, animal sacrifice was eliminated. So was sin, if you follow Him. If you don't, and continue to sin, you will go to Hell:

Hebrews 6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

[steveo]

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Sir,

Simply put, it's a lousy idea because Ms. JennyD said it is. And SHE. IS. NEVER. WRONG. about stuff like this. Questions?

It's very possible there is something I am missing regarding Ms. Jenny's beliefs. However, until proven from Scripture, whatever anyone says that contradicts God's special revelation (the Bible) is false.

[steveo]

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Tell me, Steveo, does God continue to forgive sins if we become Saved and then continue to sin?

Does God love those who spit in His face by continuing to sin?

What does the Bible tell you about that?

The Bible absolutely shows us that we will continue to sin -- even after we have been saved. You can see in Romans 7, from my earlier post, that even the Apostle Paul continued to deal with sin. Here is the exact verses for you who are not familiar with them:

Romans 7:15-16, "For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good."

Here, Paul is making a case to show that the law is good because it reveals that we are sinners and in need of a Savior. We will not cease to sin completely until Jesus Christ has returned.

Since it appears that you lean to the extreme side of saying that believers no longer sin, you probably place me on the other side -- which isn't entirely true. Although I believe forgiven sinners will continue to sin, I do not believe they/we will live a life of habitual sin.

Using my previous post, since the points were not clearly understood, what about David as well? Here is a man who trusted in God greatly, was chosen by God to be His anointed king over Israel, and was called a man after His own heart, yet His life was riddle with failures (adultery, murder, etc).

Steve

[Johnnyboy]

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Jenny,

After reviewing the site, I believe it is both Biblical and a great idea. What do you think the following passage in James 5 is referring to?

James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

Although I agree that our sins are shameful, where does it tell the believers to live in shame for our sins? On the contrary, I find we should confess our sins to Him who is faithful and just to forgive us.

Often, many Christians believe they are alone in their sins and http://www.forgivenandloved.com/ gives them an opportunity to see they are definitely not alone. How many times do we find some comfort in knowing that even David, the man after God's own heart, sinned and fell short many times. Or Paul, who does the very things he hates and does not want to do, instead of the good he knows he should (Romans 7).

Along with sharing what they have been forgiven for, forgivenandloved.com allows people to offer praises to God. It is mean to be a forum that in essence, praises God for who He is.

Steve

Sir,

Simply put, it's a lousy idea because Ms. JennyD said it is. And SHE. IS. NEVER. WRONG. about stuff like this. Questions?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: The Forgiven and Loved Cult

Tell me, Steveo, does God continue to forgive sins if we become Saved and then continue to sin?

Does God love those who spit in His face by continuing to sin?

What does the Bible tell you about that?

[steveo]

Re: The Forgiven and Loved Cult

Jenny,

After reviewing the site, I believe it is both Biblical and a great idea. What do you think the following passage in James 5 is referring to?

James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

Although I agree that our sins are shameful, where does it tell the believers to live in shame for our sins? On the contrary, I find we should confess our sins to Him who is faithful and just to forgive us.

Often, many Christians believe they are alone in their sins and http://www.forgivenandloved.com/ gives them an opportunity to see they are definitely not alone. How many times do we find some comfort in knowing that even David, the man after God's own heart, sinned and fell short many times. Or Paul, who does the very things he hates and does not want to do, instead of the good he knows he should (Romans 7).

Along with sharing what they have been forgiven for, forgivenandloved.com allows people to offer praises to God. It is mean to be a forum that in essence, praises God for who He is.

Steve

[JennyD]

This site: http://www.forgivenandloved.com/

encourages users to post their sins, then assuming that they will be "forgiven and loved". Other users can vote the sins up in popularity.

What ever happened to having shame in one's sins??