[Meek and Humble]

Re: The Forgiven and Loved Cult

No you may not.

We've got no time for sexist pigs on our Godly forums, sir. You are worse than David Letterman! See you in hell (from heaven).

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: The Forgiven and Loved Cult

Brother Bathfire, I imagine he'll soon be posting links to more supposed "contradictions in the Bible", or maybe pages from the juvenile "Skeptic's Annotated Bible".

I've got a fiver that says he thinks he'll post something we haven't seen and handily refuted before.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Ahhh... my misguided associate. Your words and your heart are far from the Lord. Spew forth your rhetoric.

I note, with no surprise, that your attack against me personally contains no denial of the excellent points I have made, all of which are, as you know, supported by Scripture.

You seem to have spent a long time reading the New Testament, without bothering yourself with the Old.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Ahhh... my misguided associate. Your words and your heart are far from the Lord. Spew forth your rhetoric.

No you may not.

Are these the best responses you have to Brother Bathfire and Sister Jenny's refutations of your amateurish attempts to turn us from Jesus? Rude attacks and insults? You cannot address their comments directly and so attack them instead?

As is demonstrated in Matthew 4, even the devil can quote Scripture to his own ends. Apparently, you've run out of Scripture to quote that meets your perverse needs; however, I see that you are only here to turn people to Satan.

How can you sleep at night, knowing that the false doctrine you promote is leading people to an eternity in Hell? Does Satan pay you by the soul?

[steveo]

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No you may not.

May I point you to this excellent post by our long-absent Sister Shirlee:

[JennyD]

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JennyD,

1 Corinthians 14:34 - "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says."

I see. You don't know the difference between a church and a church's discussion forum. That explains a lot.

May I point you to this excellent post by our long-absent Sister Shirlee:

Ladies (and gentlemen) -

Every now and again, some goober -- usually a man -- flings these here verses up in my face, claiming they say I need to shut up and never tell anybody what God says in the Bible.

1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

and

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

They molest these morsels of God's goodness for their own purposes, telling less-strong Ladies of Landover the same thing, trying to silence them.

Well, nobody asked today, but I'm gonna answer anyway! To these galoots I say:

Why would you quote a verse and not even bother to read the verse and then lie about the verse?

Now Galloping Galoot - when I say words about the Bible - am I learning a thing, or am I teaching a thing? YES - that’s correct Goober - I am teaching! Now - is the thing that I am teaching a good thing or a bad thing? YES - that’s correct Goober - it is a good thing! We know that it is a good thing because it enlightens your mind to some good knowledge of the scriptures. Now - when I teach you about your perversions of God's Word - am I IN the church or am I OUT of the church (just for the sake of this discussion Gumby - I’ll just tell you - I am sitting at my desk - NOT in the church building). YES - that’s correct Gomer - I am NOT sitting in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, when I am teaching the men servants of God anything!

Now let us see what the WORDS from our God say touching the matters above.

There is much more to this in her original post (follow the link above). She will explain to you the role of prophetesses in the Bible and in society.

[steveo]

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Ahhh... my misguided associate. Your words and your heart are far from the Lord. Spew forth your rhetoric.

They are True Christians™ no other so-called denomination can qualify - they have all been misled into a fluffy-bunny Christianity Many claim to do so, few do and you have no way of knowing the truly righteous from those who merely profess it over the interweb. just read what you wrote from "although"... do you seriously believe that the prays on a 14 year old half-wit count? Read your own quoted passage. You are far to trusting, your experience of Satan in the world to day appears to be nil. You accept all at face value - this is a grave error. Naive hardly comes near it. Christ himself knew how to deal with those would would not become Christian; Luke 19:27.

Teaching, as it appears you do, all this love and forgiveness, of which there is little precious little in the Bible, tells nothing of the Real message of the Lord, to which all Christians must adhere - obey the Lord, Fear Him or suffer the torments of Hell for eternity.

You, I suggest, are one who picks and chooses the passages to consider, such that you manage to create a God in your own image - the reverse of His wishes. You persuade innocents that merely loving people is sufficient - it, Sir, is not.

Most appropriate to my words! You love those who are Saved, not the evil doers and followers of false prophets.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Who is my brother, and who is my sister?

They are True Christians™ no other so-called denomination can qualify - they have all been misled into a fluffy-bunny Christianity

Those who do the will of the Father and believe in Jesus Christ are my brother.

Many claim to do so, few do and you have no way of knowing the truly righteous from those who merely profess it over the interweb.

The site is for Christian brethren although the audience may extend to anyone with an Internet connection.

just read what you wrote from "although"... do you seriously believe that the prays on a 14 year old half-wit count? Read your own quoted passage. You are far to trusting, your experience of Satan in the world to day appears to be nil. You accept all at face value - this is a grave error.

And like the words of Jesus -- through the love and forgiveness we show one another, the world will know His disciples --

Naive hardly comes near it. Christ himself knew how to deal with those would would not become Christian; Luke 19:27.

Teaching, as it appears you do, all this love and forgiveness, of which there is little precious little in the Bible, tells nothing of the Real message of the Lord, to which all Christians must adhere - obey the Lord, Fear Him or suffer the torments of Hell for eternity.

You, I suggest, are one who picks and chooses the passages to consider, such that you manage to create a God in your own image - the reverse of His wishes. You persuade innocents that merely loving people is sufficient - it, Sir, is not.

John 13:35 - "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

Most appropriate to my words! You love those who are Saved, not the evil doers and followers of false prophets.

[steveo]

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JennyD,

1 Corinthians 14:34 - "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says."

You're absolutely right, Brother Bathfire, about my concern.

Christians are not to be proud of sins and put them up on websites for strangers to read about! Our brothers and sisters are not the God-mockers who would take that website and say, "Look, the Christians sin, they're hypocrites!"

Our brothers and sisters are our True Christian™ Saved Brothers and Sisters in Christ here at Landover!

I see, Brother Bathfire, that you and Brother Rodimer are doing an admirable job teaching this . . . person . . . about God's Word, and what the Bible really says. He's clearly caught up in the "all-loving hippie lurve god" fantasy so prevalent among False Christian churches today.

I am learning from your discussion as well, and look forward to seeing what else you fine gentlemen can teach me!

[JennyD]

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Sister JennyD's concern is for the shame connected with repentance, where as your reply seems to indicate that you can tell anyone about your sins and that will help.

It clearly will not! If you look at the whole of the chapter, you will see the manner in which James addresses the gathering and also who is there. You will also see that "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

I do NOT think that a load of internet Troll-tards of questionable faith add up to a "righteous man" or availeth anything.

Having said that, you appear somewhat familiar with some of the verses of the Bible - all you need is the polishing that only Landover can give...

Continue posting, but do try to properly address the question.

You're absolutely right, Brother Bathfire, about my concern.

Christians are not to be proud of sins and put them up on websites for strangers to read about! Our brothers and sisters are not the God-mockers who would take that website and say, "Look, the Christians sin, they're hypocrites!"

Our brothers and sisters are our True Christian(tm) Saved Brothers and Sisters in Christ here at Landover!

I see, Brother Bathfire, that you and Brother Rodimer are doing an admirable job teaching this . . . person . . . about God's Word, and what the Bible really says. He's clearly caught up in the "all-loving hippie lurve god" fantasy so prevalent among False Christian churches today.

I am learning from your discussion as well, and look forward to seeing what else you fine gentlemen can teach me!

[steveo]

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We were living with sin before we were saved and when we believed we were justified (declared righteous) before God because of the blood of Jesus Christ.

You claim that I am twisting Scripture, yet when the Bible states 'if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us,' you don't twist it -- you simply DENY it.

Genesis 15:6 "And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness. "

Romans 4:1-4 "What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt."

I am not hosting the site -- but I know who is.

Paul was a Christian and continued to sin...

--

We were all with/living in sin before we were Saved©. After, we are sinless.

Anyone who claims to have lived a life without sin indeed is a liar.


I see, so now you are saying that God contradicts Himself in His Word!

Once again, you are twisting Scripture to suit yourself. How convenient!

Right.

I thought it wasn't your site, steveo. You "checked it out". Now, it appears that you admit to being the host. Which is it?

Is lying a sin, steveo?


Please show me where the Bible says this. Chapter and verse, please.

By the way, are you a Catholic?


Only one who does not truly believe could possibly reject God's sacrifice and choose a sinful lifestyle over a Godly.

You can't have it both ways, steveo. You can't be a Christian and continue to sin, because continuing to sin is a rejection of God and demonstrates that you have not truly repented of your sinful, filthy human nature.

I'm sorry that you have dedicated your website to convincing people that there is a false, hippie "love god" who forgives everything, no matter how many times you sin. I'm sorry that you think that everyone who says, "Lord, Lord" will get into Heaven. God says otherwise:

Matthew 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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You claim that I only read the parts of Scripture I want, yet you must tear out many pages to support your claim. Did you not read earlier in the book when John, speaking to believers, states "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8). By the statement of that verse, I would have to declare that the truth is not in you.

We were all with/living in sin before we were Saved©. After, we are sinless.

Anyone who claims to have lived a life without sin indeed is a liar.

1 John 3:6-10 is oft claimed to support that true believers are perfect and will never sin. However, that claim contradicts 1 John 1:8 and Paul's words in Romans 7 (and we both know the Bible has no contradictions).

I see, so now you are saying that God contradicts Himself in His Word!

Once again, you are twisting Scripture to suit yourself. How convenient!

The site does not provide the "vote up" option to make light of the seriousness of the individual sins, but instead to reveal the sins that most believers struggle with.

Right.

This is also not covering the fact that it also shows the praises and prayers of God that most people agreed with. Perhaps a different rendering of the word 'vote' would change your thinking.

I thought it wasn't your site, steveo. You "checked it out". Now, it appears that you admit to being the host. Which is it?

Is lying a sin, steveo?

David came before the New Covenant was ratified, but I ask you how was David counted righteous? Was it his strict adherence to the law or because of the sacrifice of bulls or sheep? Obviously not. It is the same of Abraham -- whose faith was accredited to him as righteousness. Both OT saints and NT saints are saved the same way -- BY FAITH -- and the blood Jesus Christ covers them all.

Please show me where the Bible says this. Chapter and verse, please.

By the way, are you a Catholic?

Your mention of the Hebrews 6 passage also calls into question your interpretation. "Falling away" is not referring to sinning -- falling away is referring to no longer believing.

Only one who does not truly believe could possibly reject God's sacrifice and choose a sinful lifestyle over a Godly.

You can't have it both ways, steveo. You can't be a Christian and continue to sin, because continuing to sin is a rejection of God and demonstrates that you have not truly repented of your sinful, filthy human nature.

I'm sorry that you have dedicated your website to convincing people that there is a false, hippie "love god" who forgives everything, no matter how many times you sin. I'm sorry that you think that everyone who says, "Lord, Lord" will get into Heaven. God says otherwise:

Matthew 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[steveo]

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Who is my brother, and who is my sister? Those who do the will of the Father and believe in Jesus Christ are my brother. The site is for Christian brethren although the audience may extend to anyone with an Internet connection. And like the words of Jesus -- through the love and forgiveness we show one another, the world will know His disciples --

John 13:35 - "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

Jas:5:16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

It is of little use quoting God's Word, if you fail to quote a germane passage.

Sister JennyD's concern is for the shame connected with repentance, where as your reply seems to indicate that you can tell anyone about your sins and that will help.

It clearly will not! If you look at the whole of the chapter, you will see the manner in which James addresses the gathering and also who is there. You will also see that "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

I do NOT think that a load of internet Troll-tards of questionable faith add up to a "righteous man" or availeth anything.

Having said that, you appear somewhat familiar with some of the verses of the Bible - all you need is the polishing that only Landover can give...

Continue posting, but do try to properly address the question.

[steveo]

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You claim that I only read the parts of Scripture I want, yet you must tear out many pages to support your claim. Did you not read earlier in the book when John, speaking to believers, states "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8). By the statement of that verse, I would have to declare that the truth is not in you.

1 John 3:6-10 is oft claimed to support that true believers are perfect and will never sin. However, that claim contradicts 1 John 1:8 and Paul's words in Romans 7 (and we both know the Bible has no contradictions). Instead, what the passage is communicating is that anyone who consistently abides in Christ perfectly does not sin -- unfortunately, as sinners, we are unable to do that. If you believe you can, I pray that the Spirit will convict you heavily of your sin to make this known.

The site does not provide the "vote up" option to make light of the seriousness of the individual sins, but instead to reveal the sins that most believers struggle with. This is also not covering the fact that it also shows the praises and prayers of God that most people agreed with. Perhaps a different rendering of the word 'vote' would change your thinking.

David came before the New Covenant was ratified, but I ask you how was David counted righteous? Was it his strict adherence to the law or because of the sacrifice of bulls or sheep? Obviously not. It is the same of Abraham -- whose faith was accredited to him as righteousness. Both OT saints and NT saints are saved the same way -- BY FAITH -- and the blood Jesus Christ covers them all.

Your mention of the Hebrews 6 passage also calls into question your interpretation. "Falling away" is not referring to sinning -- falling away is referring to no longer believing. This is similar to what Paul writes in 1 Timothy 4:1, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."

I hope this helps explain my view -- I know you will respond accordingly and I can't wait

In Christ

I see you only read the parts of the Bible which confirm your sinful deathstyle choices.

1 John 3

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Yet you provide a site which encourages visitors to "vote up" the most popular sins? How is this not mere titillation? People gain prominence by posting the most interesting stories about things they should bear with shame, for sinning against God and spitting in the face of His great sacrifice of temporary death and self-resurrection!


Did David come before or after the New Covenant?

Before Jesus, atonement was achieved through animal sacrifices. David was under the Old Covenant.

After Jesus, animal sacrifice was eliminated. So was sin, if you follow Him. If you don't, and continue to sin, you will go to Hell:

Hebrews 6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Jenny,

After reviewing the site, I believe it is both Biblical and a great idea. What do you think the following passage in James 5 is referring to?[Blah, Blah, Blah... Steve

Jas:5:16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

It is of little use quoting God's Word, if you fail to quote a germane passage.

Sister JennyD's concern is for the shame connected with repentance, where as your reply seems to indicate that you can tell anyone about your sins and that will help.

It clearly will not! If you look at the whole of the chapter, you will see the manner in which James addresses the gathering and also who is there. You will also see that "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

I do NOT think that a load of internet Troll-tards of questionable faith add up to a "righteous man" or availeth anything.

Having said that, you appear somewhat familiar with some of the verses of the Bible - all you need is the polishing that only Landover can give...

Continue posting, but do try to properly address the question.