[Catholic - Not Christian]

Re: Why the King James?

Yawn. http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp

You know? I read on another thread where someone was chastised for simply posting links or copy and pasting.

I guess you just don't really know what you're talking about so you have to have someone else say it for you

I'll read it anyway...

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why the King James?

[...] My claim is that the KJV is erroneous, false, man-made, and a perversion of what Jesus Christ knew as Sacred Scripture.

Yawn. http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp

[virginWhore]

Re: Why the King James?

Since last week, I've spent every moment reading about this. I think its amazing and I think I know what it is about it that works.

The answer I got is that satan tries at every moment and every turn, to push himself into the mix.

You can't know which parts are bad and which parts are good, because you can't see them.

But satan may be clever, but God is clevererer. He made the Bible so perfect, that IT FIXES ITSELF if someone or some demon tries to kill it. If you let the love of God come into your heart through the scripture, the WHOLE scripture, then you can TELL if it's been damaged by the wiles of demons or the stupid of man.

When you embrace the Bible like a friend and lover, then you feel it. The Bible that Pastor Ezekiel is talking about here, the King one, it gives you a feeling like an orgazm when you love it, but the other ones mentioned do NOT...they are like eating a jelly donut that is missing the jelly part.

Or if you like, another way to think of it is like a person who's telling you something and you can see that their whole body tells you its a lie. that's what the broken bibles feel like. It isn't something you can tell just by one little piece. It's like when a guy tells you he loves you and wants to marry you as he's trying to undo your zipper. As much as you'd like to believe, you have to fight it because its obvious he is a lying satan.

anyway I have a LOT more to say about this but there's this guy waiting, and I have some ministry to do.

hope this helped someone.

vw

[Catholic - Not Christian]

Re: Why the King James?

It would seem there is no further disagreement then?

There is no flaws from the Vaticanus Manuscripts other than your own opinions. We're making some progress

Now moving along then...
The Septuagint, the Greek translation widely accepted by the Jews, was also used by the Apostles. In fact, over 2/3 of all Old Testament quotes found in the New Testament were directly from this Greek Translation. What is important about this? The Deuterocanon, which you all call the "Apocrypha" was included in the Septuagint.

So I ask you, where did you find the nerve to remove the Deuterocanon from Sacred Scripture?

My claim is that the KJV is erroneous, false, man-made, and a perversion of what Jesus Christ knew as Sacred Scripture.

[Catholic - Not Christian]

Re: Why the King James?

“And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding…” Daniel 2:21 (KJV)

Kings are appointed by God. Hence KJV

Which King should you follow? What if another king made a Bible? What if that king told you to follow him and that Jesus was a lie? We cannot trust thing simply because God setteth up kings. In fact, do you all not all support so very often the idea that God raises people up only to show his wrath upon them?

Point being: Kings are not equal to Christ. Their word is NOT Gospel.

This is no reason. Tell me, anyone, what was flawed about the Vaticanus Manuscripts?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Why the King James?

Vaticanus Manuscripts? There's a clue in the title...

At least two clues, I'd say.

[Catholic - Not Christian]

Re: Why the King James?

Vaticanus Manuscripts? There's a clue in the title...

This is an opinion. Come on! Does no one have an answer for me?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why the King James?

Vaticanus Manuscripts? There's a clue in the title...

[Catholic - Not Christian]

Re: Why the King James?

Because God chose to allow Satan to scribble all over them as a way of weeding weak-thinking fools out of His flock.

Is this what your KJV Bible tells you???? No. Answer the question:

What is flawed about the Vaticanus Manuscripts?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why the King James?

“And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding…” Daniel 2:21 (KJV)

Kings are appointed by God. Hence KJV

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Why the King James?

No. That is not an answer. Tell me why the Vaticanus manuscripts were flawed. Unless you have no answer???

Because God chose to allow Satan to scribble all over them as a way of weeding weak-thinking fools out of His flock.

[Catholic - Not Christian]

Re: Why the King James?

Thanks for asking a great question! It's easy to prove that the KJV, and only the KJV, is the inerrant word of God. If you look in the original Hebrew of 2 Samuel 21:19 (it's true for all existing versions), you'll see that it says that Elhanan killed Goliath. We know that can't be right, since David had already killed Goliath in 1 Samuel 17. Virtually every other translation of the Bible follows the erroneous Hebrew. The KJV, however, says that Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath.

Did it ever occur to you that there might, just maybe, be two people in the Bible existing with the same name??? And that maybe, just maybe, your Bible is in error and in fact it was no brother of Goliath but rather another man with the same name? I see this in itself as no reason to forsake my NAS Bible.

I think you'll agree that something that contains contradictions can't be the inerrant Word of God, so therefore the KJV, and only the KJV, is the One True Bible.®

I do agree, but as I said, this has an alternative answer.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say otherwise.

This is fatal mistake. Especially for you being a Bible Onlyist. Tell me then, does it or does it not have to be stated in the Bible? Or are we now free to make such assumptions?

No, they are sinners, so they deserve to burn in Hell. Salvation is not a right, it is a gift from a loving and merciful God.

Can you imagine if the only Bible in the world was in English? God loves all his children equally, and He would deny them the opportunity to have a share in the kingdom. That gift is freely available to "all nations" as the Apostles were told to preach to "all nations" not just the English speaking ones. YOU have no right to deny them this opportunity. [/QUOTE]

Landover does missionary work around the globe.

And I suppose you present it to them in English? Giving them all KJVs and telling them to learn it or they will burn in Hell?
Catholics Priests do not only do "missionary work", they live there, they ARE from other countries, and they bring God's word to all in a language they can understand.

Who cares if they don't agree? Muslims don't agree that the KJV is the Word of God either, but that doesn't make them right. Lutherans have a lot of the theology wrong, but at least they recognized that Satan was behind the Catholic Church and cleaned that house, so I give them a lot of credit.

The point is, why should I listen to you and not to the other onlyists out there? You all have the same claim that God favors you somehow, and only your opinions and propaganda to back it up.

Satan being satanic is an opinion too, but it's also a fact. So is the Satanism that underlies Catholicism. You don't have to take my word for it though--have a look at THIS.

No. That is not an answer. Tell me why the Vaticanus manuscripts were flawed. Unless you have no answer???

[WWJDnow]

Re: Why the King James?

So just asking.... How can you be so certain?

Thanks for asking a great question! It's easy to prove that the KJV, and only the KJV, is the inerrant word of God. If you look in the original Hebrew of 2 Samuel 21:19 (it's true for all existing versions), you'll see that it says that Elhanan killed Goliath. We know that can't be right, since David had already killed Goliath in 1 Samuel 17. Virtually every other translation of the Bible follows the erroneous Hebrew. The KJV, however, says that Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath.

I think you'll agree that something that contains contradictions can't be the inerrant Word of God, so therefore the KJV, and only the KJV, is the One True Bible.®

Ok a couple more questions...
So what about people that can't speak English?

It is much harder for them to be Saved, no doubt.

No where in the Bible does it say it must be read in English.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say otherwise.

And if your Solo King Jameso theory is true, does this not exclude unrightfully them from the kingdom?

No, they are sinners, so they deserve to burn in Hell. Salvation is not a right, it is a gift from a loving and merciful God.

If not, then how do you suggest bringing the word do them?

Landover does missionary work around the globe.

What about German Protestants, who have access to Luther's translation, which is older than the KJV? They are not likely to agree that an English translation is more authoritative than theirs or has some kind of divine approbation that theirs doesn't have.

Who cares if they don't agree? Muslims don't agree that the KJV is the Word of God either, but that doesn't make them right. Lutherans have a lot of the theology wrong, but at least they recognized that Satan was behind the Catholic Church and cleaned that house, so I give them a lot of credit.

And another question: What was so flawed about the Vaticanus manuscript? Besides that you say it is "satanic", which is an opinion, and I don't care for it.

Satan being satanic is an opinion too, but it's also a fact. So is the Satanism that underlies Catholicism. You don't have to take my word for it though--have a look at THIS.

[Robert Hutchins]

Re: Why the King James?

We didn't used to, and our sins aren't as rampant as the other countries. This is just a trying time for True Christians. When our Godly Republican champions are elected the population will be culled and controlled. Europe has no future.

[Catholic - Not Christian]

Re: Why the King James?

This is Gods' favorite country. We founded ourselves on Christianity, whilst the Holy lands you rattle on about went to the Mudslimes and joos.

Jesus loves America.

Well... I can see your point. But America is as full of sin as any other European country out there. Won't you agree?