June 27, 1844; Joseph Smith sent to HELL!

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

On this day in history, June 27, 1844, the false prophet Joseph Smith was killed in the jail in Nauvoo, Illinois.

Some of the details that the current day Mormons (later Day Saints) and their virtual myriad of spin-off religions, sects, and cults, conveniently forget to mention are:



* the jail staff joined the 'mob'

this is an interesting detail since the jailers would have been either Mormon, or Mormon approved. Recall Joseph Smith was the mayor, and had voluntarily surrendered himself to their facility.


* Joseph Smith was armed

Joseph Smith had a firearm, smuggled in to him in the jail. He was able to shoot at least 3 members of the 'mob' as they entered his cell. Curiously, Joseph Smith is invariably described as a martyr. How many 'martyrs' pack heat and attempt to shoot their way out of their impending 'martyrdom' ?


* Joseph Smith's outrageous polygamy had just been revealed to the public

The LDS church controlled the only newspaper in town (along with the town government and most businesses). A rival newspaper was established, and in the first issue, accurately reported Joseph Smith's polygamy. Enraged, Smith ordered the destruction of the printing press of this rival newspaper.




What these 3 points taken together strongly implies if not confirms, was that Joseph Smith was killed by a mob almost entirely composed of Mormons, or folks that had been affiliated with the Mormons at one time. Joseph Smith is clearly not a martyr, his discharge of a firearm permanently soils his hands, and his murder was simply a result of the power struggle within his own organization for control and the resulting chaos of the revelation of his outrageously promiscuous polygamous lifestyle. Non-Mormons have nothing to apologize for in the matter of Joseph Smith's death, his death was entirely his own fault. His own followers (and those disaffected with his false religion by that time) are the ones who killed him.

Not that there was anything wrong with that, other than perhaps it was a decade or two too late.



The vile Joseph Smith, currently burning continuously in HELL for 166 years, PRAISE JESUS:

[Benedict A. Davis]

Re: June 27, 1844; Joseph Smith sent to HELL!

I woke up this morning feeling good about today, now I know why!

[Dirk]

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I woke up this morning feeling good about today, now I know why!

Same here

[BelieverInGod]

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Thank you for the information Brother, perhaps I should of phoned my sister today. I wonder if she's in mourning.

That church is just so ridiculous. Smith was a known conman yet people still chose to follow him. I don't understand.

[Sister Charli]

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On this day in history, June 27, 1844, the false prophet Joseph Smith was killed in the jail in Nauvoo, Illinois.

Praise Jesus.

[Rebuko the Clown]

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I always knew the guy was BS because of his name. Joseph Smith. Come on! Jesus is a strange and mysterious name, and that's why I follow him. Granted, Mohammed and Buddha have strange names too, and even though they are wrong, I can see why people could follow them.

But Joe Smith? Seriously? Can you imagine trying to convert people?

"Hey, we're moving out west to Utah. It's the promised land that God has made for us!"
"Really? Who said so?"
"Joe Smith."
"Um, yea. Look, I'm busy with this crossword....good luck with your journey!"

[Nobar King]

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It is a pretty common name, so it's not so unusual that a Joseph Smith became the cult leader to some false religion. Way more likely than someone named Buddha.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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To flesh this out a little more,

Joseph Smith was keeping his polygamy a secret, and the obvious question is why.
Well, he knew, deluded as they were, the majority of his followers would be mortified and outraged at his Transgression regarding his harem and sinful multiple fornications. So when the Navuoo Expositor published the truth about his polygamy scandal, he rightly knew he was in mortal danger from his own followers!! Hence, he had himself locked securely in his own jail, and he carried a firearm, for further protection.

Unfortunately for Joseph Smith, he severely underestimated the righteous outrage of his followers, and THEY KILLED HIM.

Well, that is not martyrdom! When 'your own' kills you, you are no martyr, just a corrupt leader purged by the wisdom of the 'mob'.

For Joseph Smith to be a martyr for Mormonism, he would have had to have been killed by 'enemies' of Mormonism, not by his fellow practitioners!!

Upon his death, Mormonism was beset (rightly) by a succession crisis. Joseph Smith had sown chaos in the establishment of his 'faith', and the movement went through what can only be described as spasms of disorder as they struggled to find their way through this great disaster Joseph Smith himself had wrought upon them.

I am speculating just a bit more here, but I think the mob that beset Joseph Smith was the 'seed' for the Reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints (RLDS), currently known as (don't laugh) Community of Christ.

Note that for many many years, RLDS doctrine posited that Joseph Smith was not a polygamist, despite members of his 'harem' openly testifying as to the sordid nature of his licentious lifestyle. This is analogous to 'denial'.

The nascent RLDSers knew they had killed Joseph Smith for polygamy, but that put them in a state of cognitive dissonance they could not bear. Their solution (instead of embracing True Christianity) was to establish the convenient fiction that they had NOT murdered Joseph Smith, he was NOT a polygamist, and that every thing from then on would be 'oakily dokily'.

They broke away from the majority of the Latter Day Saints that decided polygamy, for the time being, was just fine, and established their own false church on the burning wreckage of their 'mother' false church, the Mormons.



One thing that I am grateful about in regards to Joseph Smith and his false religion, is that it blew up in his face while he yet lived. His dying thought had to be regret at what he had wrought, and the absolute knowledge he would be condemned eternally to Hell for challenging God Himself with his patently false and ludicrous 'religion'.

[Benedict A. Davis]

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Here are newspaper articles that say what his followers were like. I will only post a few but enough for you to see what they were like in the 1850's.

On Honesty and Statehood.

Cherry Valley Gazette.
Vol. III. Cherry Valley, N.Y., Thursday, February 5, 1857. No. 6.




FALSE CENSUS RETURNS FROM UTAH.-- Elder John Hyde, sent as a Mormon missionary to the Sandwich Islands, has turned State's evidence against the Saints, and while denouncing their polygamy and villainy generally, charges them with falsifying the census returns of the territory. -- He affirms that there are not half as many inhabitants in Utah as the census indicates. The names of deceased persons, of emigrants, disciples who never came to hand, and of Mormons who long ago recanted their beastly creed and fled the country, were all retained and used to make the number of '70,000.'

On their leaders
OTSEGO GAZETTE [ ] AND EXAMINER.
Vol. III. Cherry Valley, N.Y., Thursday, May 7, 1857. No. 19.



THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT
AND MORMONISM.

The Mormons seem to be going it, after their fashion, at the greatest rate imaginable. They have never been under the actual control of Congress, and their present attitude is one but little short of positive rebellion. A writer in a recent number of the National Intelligencer gives a long list of quotations from Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, Heber C. Kimball, and others of the Mormon leaders, which ought to ring in the ears of this nation; till the government shall be compelled to raise a strong arm and scatter them to the four quarters of the globe. It is a burning shame to this country, and to any administration, that such practices as those established by the Mormons should be allowed to exist. It is difficult, we know, for an administration, which has planted itself upon the doctrine, that every Territory shall have the right "to choose the character of its own institutions," to do what ought to be done in such a case. But it will be better for the government to modify this doctrine, somewhat, in relation to this single case, than that the Nation should suffer from the establishment of so foul a system within its boundaries; and then to see them, in all their reeking shamelessness, get up to such a height as to defy the powers of our general government is too much to be endured. Hear what this writer in the Intelligeneer, who resided with them for a year as an officer of the government, quotes from their leading ministers and prophets:

"A Gentile shall not board in my family, and if one of my houses are rented to a Gentile, after the time had expired I would burn it down! That's the doctrine." -- Jedediah M. Grant.

"If a Gentile were boarding in my family, and I should bow down to pray, and the Gentile or heathen should hesitate, I would say to him, bow down you devil! This is the doctrine, and I know it; and any man who shall oppose it shall be destroyed." -- Heber C. Kimball.


Their religious tenets may be inferred from the following:

"I believe in marrying brothers and sisters; I believe in the pre-existence of man; that Adam and Eve are the parents of all men, spiritually and physically; that all the saints of this dispensation will be resurrected by Joseph Smith, Jr. If ever I am saved, I expect to be saved by and through they atonement of Joseph Smith." -- Brigham Young.

"Were my daughter to marry a Gentile, I would save her in this kingdom, namely, cut her throat from ear to ear." -- Brigham Young.

The law of a prophet; "A kingdom can exist within a republic." -- Brigham Young.

"No one was ever known to dissent from the will of Brigham Young." -- Orson Pratt.

What may be expected; "If Government officers ever interfere with our woman again, I will cut their throats from ear to ear." Brigham Young.

"A division of the United States army shall never winter in this valley again." -- Brigham Young.


The above, quotations are taken from a mass of information collected in 1854-'55, during nearly as year's stay in Utah, all of which came under my personal observation, and was noted at the time it was spoken. I have been thus particular in noticing these quotations that the public may know upon what is based the conclusions that follow.

The Mormon priesthood is a consolidated system of police, compounded from the old Aaronic, Levitical, and Melahisideck priesthoods, and is known by the name of "The Church of the Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ." Brigham Young is the Prophet, Priest, and King of the Saints. His will is law; he is the vice-gerent of God, deriving authority directly from Him, which is absolute whenever he says "thus saith the Lord."

On Governing Utah

Brigham Young has an army of twenty-five hundred men under good discipline. They are drilled every day. They are mostly foreigners, and comprise the most ignorant, brutal, and fanatical of the Mormons. Therefore they are fit instruments for the purposes of Brigham Young. They have no sympathies with American institutions, social or political and will, when let loose, hesitate at no atrocities.

At present; there is nothing like an administration of justice between man and man, in the Territory. Every question is resolved into one, as between the parties concerned and Brigham Young. Of course, Judges are driven away, the records are destroyed; the processes of the Courts are disregarded, the Juries are all subservient to Young's orders, and the Territory is subjected to a reign of terror. Assassinations are not unfrequent, and the seizure and confiscation of a private property is a common occurrence. If any one, weary of Brigham Young's despotism, attetnpts to leave the Territory he is despoiled of his property. That was the case with: Mr. Hockaday, a merchant, who is now here.

The American portion. of the population are prepared for an insurrection against Brigham Young's rule, but they are not willing by a feeble movement to hazard their own lives and property. -- Brigham Young is in power. He is the legal executive officer of the Territory, under federal appointment. He has an army under his command, which embraces the active military force of that Territory. But if the United States government would give them (the Americans) absolute protection, and secure them in their lives and property agrinst the vindictive revenge of Brigham Young and his followers, they would very gladly aid the United States in affecting a civil and political revolution, and in bringing the Territory under the restraints of civil government.

The first thing for the federal government to do is, to supersede Brigham Young in his office as Governor. This they ought to have done long ago, before tho state of things became so bad. They are responsible for the calamities which are to ensue from their delay in appointing an Anti-Mormon Governor.

The moment Brigham Young is stripped of federal authority, he will become partially paralized. He must then quietly submit to a loss of his despotic power, or he must, backed by his army, resist the United States government; and this he has declared that he would do. At this point, half of the Mormons will join the United States, against Brigham, and he and his force will be put down.

What the famous Sen. Douglas had to say
Senator Douglass, in a recent speech delivered at Springfield, Ill., alluding to the condition of affairs in Utah, expressed the following sensible views on the subject:

"When the authentic evidence shall arrive, if it shall establish the facts which are believed to exist, it will become the duty of Congress to apply the knife and cut out this loathsome, disgusting ulcer. No temporizing policy -- no half way measures will then answer. It has been supposed by those who have not thought deeply upon this subject, that an act of Congress prohibiting murder, robbery, polygamy and other crimes, with appropriate penalties for those offenses, would afford adequate remedies for all the enormities complained of. Suppose such a law to be on the statute books, and I believe they have a criminal code, providing the usual punishment for the entire catalogue of crimes, according to the usages of all civilized and Christian countries, with the exception of polygamy, which is practised under the sanction of the Mormon Church, but is neither prohibited nor authorized by the laws of the Territory.

Suppose, I repeat, that Congress should pass a law prescribing a criminal code, and punishing polygamy among other offences, what other effect would it have -- what good would it do? Would you call on twenty-three grand jurymen, with twenty-three wives each, to find a bill of indictment against a poor miserable wretch for having two wives? Would you call upon twelve petit jurors, with twelve wives each, to convict the same loathsome wretch for having two wives? Would you expect a grand jury composed of twenty-three "Danites" to find a bill of indictment against a brother "Danite" for having murdered a Gentile, as they call all American citizens, under their direction? Much less would you expect a jury of twelve "destroying angels" to find another "destroying angel" guilty of the same murder, and cause him to be hanged for no other offence than taking the life of a Gentile? No? If there is any truth in the reports we receive from Utah, Congress may pass whatever laws it chooses; but you can never rely upon the local tribunals and juries to punish crimes committed by Mormons in that Territory. Some other and more effectual remedy must be devised and applied. In my opinion, the first step should be the absolute and unconditional repeal of the organic act -- blotting the territorial government out of existence -- upon the ground that they are outlaws, denying their allegiance and defying the authorities of the United States.

The Territorial Government once abolished, the country would revert to its primitive condition prior to the act of 1850, "under the sole and exclusive jurisdiction of the United States," and should be placed under the operation of the act of Congress of the 30th of April, 1790, and the various acts supplemental thereto and amendatory thereof, "providing for the punishment of crimes against the United States within any fort, arsenal, dock yard, magazine, or any other place or district of country, under the sole and exclusive jurisdiction of the United States." All offences against the provisions of these acts are required by law to be tried and punished by the United States Courts in the States or Territories where the offenders shall be "first apprehended or brought for trial." There it will be seen that under the plan proposed, Brigham Young and his confederates could be "apprehended and brought for trial" to Iowa, Missouri, California, California or Oregon, or to any other adjacent State or Territory, where a fair trial could be had, and justice administered impartially -- where the witnesses could be protected and the judgment of the court could be carried into execution, without violence or intimidation.

witchcraft practiced!
In later years the Mormons would claim that Stephen A. Douglas' failure to gain the presidency in 1860 was a result of a curse placed upon him by Joseph Smith, jr. on May 18, 1843. Smith's purported "prophecy," in regard to the eventual fate of Mr. Douglas, was first published in the Deseret News of Sept. 24, 1856 -- evidently in response to Senator Douglas' lack of support in the statehod controvery. The "prophecy" is not known from any pre-1856 source, including the journals of William Clayton, from which its wording was supposedly taken for publication in the Deseret News.


There is much more out there if you are interested all you have to do is look anywhere, but not in a Utah vacation guide of course.

[Dirk]

Re: June 27, 1844; Joseph Smith sent to HELL!

I always knew the guy was BS because of his name. Joseph Smith. Come on! Jesus is a strange and mysterious name, and that's why I follow him. Granted, Mohammed and Buddha have strange names too, and even though they are wrong, I can see why people could follow them.

But Joe Smith? Seriously? Can you imagine trying to convert people?

"Hey, we're moving out west to Utah. It's the promised land that God has made for us!"
"Really? Who said so?"
"Joe Smith."
"Um, yea. Look, I'm busy with this crossword....good luck with your journey!"

Well, that is a thing worth questioning.....his name.......
Jesus sounded indeed more mysterious.

[whodoyouthinkyouare]

Re: June 27, 1844; Joseph Smith sent to HELL!

Just had to let you all know again that we have come to that wonderful time of year when we get to remember the life and work of our Prophet Joseph Smith. What a true man of God, a man unshaken in life and in death by the words and hatred of those who do not have the full knowledge the Gospel and his Eternal Plan for us in their lives! On a site of "True Christians" you would expect to see more love and undertanding. But the people who know not the truth are always the ones to try to rip and bring it down. Yet here we are, stronger and growing faster than ever! The power of God restored to this Earth to minister to the sick and afflicted. To bind families together on Earth and in the Heavens for Eternity. You would think to Embrace the love of God and his desire to have us joined together as family and loved ones not only on Earth but in Heaven as well. I know I am a year late in finding this posting from you all and I am sorry that your hearts have been filled with this hatred. But just know that God really does love all of his children no matter what religion or church they belong to. Everyone will have the chance to listen to this wonderful Gospel and wonderful message and those who really open their minds and open their hearts will see and feel what has been revealed and accepted by over 14 Million people in the last 181 years!! Praise be to the Prophet Joseph Smith and to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for restoring the true Gospel and Priesthood to the Earth for His children in these Latter Days!

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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God really does love all of his children no matter what religion or church they belong to.

Then why does He send them to Hell?

Revelation 21:8 (King James Version) 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Answer:

Not all men are God's children. Many of them He hates.

Leviticus 20:23 - "And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them."

[Didymus Much]

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...God really does love all of his children no matter what religion or church they belong to...

Then why bother toeing the Mormon line? Become a Rastafarian, their sacraments are a lot more fun.

[Atheist Interloper]

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Just had to let you all know again that we have come to that wonderful time of year when we get to remember the life and work of our Prophet Joseph Smith. What a true man of God, a man unshaken in life and in death by the words and hatred of those who do not have the full knowledge the Gospel and his Eternal Plan for us in their lives! On a site of "True Christians" you would expect to see more love and undertanding. But the people who know not the truth are always the ones to try to rip and bring it down. Yet here we are, stronger and growing faster than ever! The power of God restored to this Earth to minister to the sick and afflicted. To bind families together on Earth and in the Heavens for Eternity. You would think to Embrace the love of God and his desire to have us joined together as family and loved ones not only on Earth but in Heaven as well. I know I am a year late in finding this posting from you all and I am sorry that your hearts have been filled with this hatred. But just know that God really does love all of his children no matter what religion or church they belong to. Everyone will have the chance to listen to this wonderful Gospel and wonderful message and those who really open their minds and open their hearts will see and feel what has been revealed and accepted by over 14 Million people in the last 181 years!! Praise be to the Prophet Joseph Smith and to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for restoring the true Gospel and Priesthood to the Earth for His children in these Latter Days!

Why is your version of God more likely than theirs? You have just made bald assertions and haven't stated any reasons for them at all. "God really does love..." "Everyone will have the chance..." What are your reasons for believing these things, and why are your reasons better than theirs?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: June 27, 1844; Joseph Smith sent to HELL!

Just had to let you all know again that we have come to that wonderful time of year when we get to remember the life and work of our Prophet Joseph Smith. What a true man of God, a man unshaken in life and in death by the words and hatred of those who do not have the full knowledge the Gospel and his Eternal Plan for us in their lives! On a site of "True Christians" you would expect to see more love and undertanding. But the people who know not the truth are always the ones to try to rip and bring it down. Yet here we are, stronger and growing faster than ever! The power of God restored to this Earth to minister to the sick and afflicted. To bind families together on Earth and in the Heavens for Eternity. You would think to Embrace the love of God and his desire to have us joined together as family and loved ones not only on Earth but in Heaven as well. I know I am a year late in finding this posting from you all and I am sorry that your hearts have been filled with this hatred. But just know that God really does love all of his children no matter what religion or church they belong to. Everyone will have the chance to listen to this wonderful Gospel and wonderful message and those who really open their minds and open their hearts will see and feel what has been revealed and accepted by over 14 Million people in the last 181 years!! Praise be to the Prophet Joseph Smith and to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for restoring the true Gospel and Priesthood to the Earth for His children in these Latter Days!

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