[LCMSLutheran]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAITHOLD UP FOR A MINUTE
Lutherans do not believe that the wafer becomes the body, and the wine becomes the blood. we believe that the body is in and with the bread and the blood is in and with the wine. Matthew 26:26, "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body."

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

So you reject that if you leave the faith you still go to heaven? That's pretty scripture twisting because I thought the Bible said that those who do not believe stand condemned...

Learn to read what's written (both here and in the Bible), please.

...Seeker: I thought they did believe in eternal security? I just thought they went through some stupid 12 step program at the age of 12 to get saved?
No. They believe that a person once saved, can fall from grace. According to the Bible, that's just not so.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

You cannot fall from God's grace (according to the Bible). Therefore, if you disbelieve now, you never really did, and never were Saved(tm).

[LCMSLutheran]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

They shall never perish.As long as they believe and are baptized. This scripture says nothing about falling out of faith; it does not address this issue here. As previously addressed we can fall out of the faith. Maybe you should read the bible.
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

So you reject that if you leave the faith you still go to heaven? That's pretty scripture twisting because I thought the Bible said that those who do not believe stand condemned."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16

Dear Ms. Lutheran,

You are posing a question that contains a premise that is erroneous. That false premise is "if you leave the Faith". That is impossible. Please study the Bible and this will soon be clear to you. There are some key passages that will help you along:

2nd Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

This tells us that in the very unlikely scenario (losing Faith™) because of dementia, brain injury or related causes that can make a previously Saved person unresponsive to Spiritual Stimuli, that person remains a part of Christ ("He abideth faithful"). Obviously, Jesus does believe in Himself, so any leaving of the Faith(rm) really cannot happen!

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.No-one can take us away from Jesus! In addition, after Salvation(rm), it is impossible to sin!

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

All pre-Salvation sins are washed away (except Matthew 12:31; let us hope that you have not committed that one!) and the person cannot sin any more. The Lutherans are astray here in opposition to the Bible. Without the Bible, we don't have any reliable information about Jesus nor about His commandments. So losing one detail of the Bible makes the whole structure collapse. That is why you must leave your cult and join us!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

...As previously falsely claimed by ignoring what the Bible clearly says we can fall out of the faith...

Um, NO. Read the Scripture (repeated here from where Pastor Billy-Reuben cited it):

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

...Maybe you should read the bible.

I have, quite a few times, different versions, too, even three different languages (for comparison). Maybe you should do so again, while remembering that words have meanings, and people who attempt to redefine them to suit their own agendas are not your friends.

[LCMSLutheran]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

It's a Mr, not Ms.I'll try a scenario.
Okay, so let's say I am a pious devout Christian, but after some deep conversation with an athiest, decide God isn't real, then I wouldn't believe that Jesus died for my sins, and if you're educated, you'll know that the belief in Jesus dying for our sins is crucial to faith, and If I do not believe this I am condemed as stated in Mark 16:16,"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
also I'd like to say the names for some of these false religions are hilarious.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

It's a Mr, not Ms...

Why does that matter so much to you?

...Okay, so let's say I am a pious devout Christian, but after some deep conversation with an athiest, decide God isn't real, then I wouldn't believe that Jesus died for my sins...

Already covered that (look up, five posts above this one). Thanks for demonstrating your reading skills for everyone to see.

ps. it's atheist

[LCMSLutheran]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

Why does being called a Mr mean so much to me? because it's my real gender. Unlike those tranny idiots.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

Why does being called a Mr mean so much to me? because it's my real gender...

Jesus be "don't care":


Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

...Unlike those tranny idiots.

Wow, how Christian of you. I mean that.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Why are Lutherans a cult

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAITHOLD UP FOR A MINUTE
Lutherans do not believe that the wafer becomes the body, and the wine becomes the blood. we believe that the body is in and with the bread and the blood is in and with the wine. Matthew 26:26, "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body."

Dear Mr. Lutheran. Let us look at your claim first:

we believe that the body is in and with the bread and the blood is in and with the wine.

Now let us look at how the elders of the Missouri Synod explain Lord's Supper for you:

As Luther put it so clearly,“We maintain that the bread and the wine in the Supper are the true body and blood of Christ” (CA I:5). Everyone who communes receives into their mouths the body and blood of Jesus Christ, whether they believe it or not, be they worthy or unworthy.

Oh dear, this is contradictory. Either you are being deliberately misled by your commanders or you've understood their teachings inadequately. Which one is it? This misunderstanding of the Bible probably derives from the dismissal of some pivotal verses after Matthew 26:26. We must examine them!

Matthew 26:26-29
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Did Jesus lie? First He says that "This is my body" but in Matthew 26:29 He still claims that the substance is "this fruit of the vine". Had He meant to allure people into cannibalism, He'd have maintained here that the wine had turned into His blood. He did not, and He cannot lie.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Now, let us also consider what God had to say channeled by Paul! In 1 Corinthians we are informed about the practices of the first True Christians™.

1 Corinthians 11:25-16
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

"This cup is the new testament in my blood" [Not "my blood"]! "Ye eat this bread [still bread], and drink this cup [still wine]..." Only by ignoring parts of the Bible and concentrating on one verse that fits the preconceptions of those who have indoctrinated you can you reach the consensus of transubstantiation. As True Christians™, we never ignore the Bible. Luther, the founding father of your cult, not only accepted Muslims as heretic Christians in CA 1:5 (similar to your Pope; Vatican's Catechism 841). He also wanted to dismiss important parts of the Bible (James*, Revelation**) as they contradicted his pre-meditated views on Salvation and Judgment.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

*In Luther's own words: "...this James does nothing more than drive to the law and to its works. Besides, he throws things together so chaotically that it seems to me he must have been some good, pious man, who took a few sayings from the disciples of the apostles and thus tossed them off on paper". Practically, Luther thought that God had make a mistake in the Epistle of James. He thus claims that the Bible is chaotic and unreliable. This is NOT True Christianity™.
** Luther's opinion on Revelation is as follows: "I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it." OK, Luther committed Matthew 12:31. Case closed.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Why Lutherans are a cult

also I'd like to say the names for some of these false religions are hilarious.

Ad ridiculum. A naïve fallacy. Not a valid argument. Also opposes Ephesians 5:4.

Unlike those tranny idiots.

Ad hominem. Not a valid argument. A fallacy. A transsexual/transvestite can be an intelligent, charming person with a gooed academic background and good record of charitable work. All that is, however, irrelevant if we consider, e.g., John 3:18. Your fallacy also contradicts Proverbs 19:29.

Furthermore, I'd like to ask you some more about the way you people dismiss parts of the Bible. Here's another quote from your doctrine.

Believers will receive eternal salvation and unbelievers eternal damnation (Matt. 25:31-46; 1 Pet. 1:4-5, 7; 5:4; 1 John 3:2; Heb.9:28; 2 Cor.5:10; 2 Thess.1:6-10).

Why is not the verse that deals with the actual event of Judgment not included in this list of wonderful, beautiful verses (it is only mentioned when your doctrine discusses Judgment per se but not when the criteria are being assessed)? The verse in question is as follows:

Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Why do you only mention "believers and unbelievers"? Why do you also dismiss Matthew 7:21?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Libertypanda]

Re: Why Lutherans are a cult

I don't think I have ever seen a Christian forum full of such hateful people. You use scripture as a weapon to oppress and demonize the very people Jesus commands you to love. Your use of scripture is so self righteous it can only be paralleled to the Pharisees in the bible. I would bet you pray loud and long for your whole congregation to hear how holy and sinless you are. You know the scripture as a source of ammunition to inflict only pain. Calling yourselves pastors, a sacrificial title that is to be the lead servant of his church, is repulsive. You have 2 ears but are deaf. You have no knowledge of Jesus Christ and his saving grace. You only see ways to lift up yourselves and put your heads above others. You reject the basic foundations of a Christian life. Do Justly, walk humbly, and love mercy. The life of Paul must scare the snot out of you.

[Isabella White]

Re: Why Lutherans are a cult

I don't think I have ever seen a Christian forum full of such hateful people. You use scripture as a weapon to oppress and demonize the very people Jesus commands you to love. Your use of scripture is so self righteous it can only be paralleled to the Pharisees in the bible. I would bet you pray loud and long for your whole congregation to hear how holy and sinless you are. You know the scripture as a source of ammunition to inflict only pain. Calling yourselves pastors, a sacrificial title that is to be the lead servant of his church, is repulsive. You have 2 ears but are deaf. You have no knowledge of Jesus Christ and his saving grace. You only see ways to lift up yourselves and put your heads above others. You reject the basic foundations of a Christian life. Do Justly, walk humbly, and love mercy. The life of Paul must scare the snot out of you.

Dear Miss Panda: I am sorry that you are angry at Almighty for having servants tell you the truths that you need to know to escape the eternal fires of . Instead of ranting about your resentments and grievances, why don't you ask what He thinks? You will always have plenty of time to discuss it with when you stand in the halls of Judgment. But, instead of waiting until then, why not ask to forgive you of your wretched, disgusting sins, and to wash you with now? Hopefully, then, you will gain a better understanding of the Holy Word of and what He commands, as written in the .

II Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

John 14:12 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Sincerely, Isabella W.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Why Lutherans are a cult

I don't think I have ever seen a Christian forum full of such hateful people. You use scripture as a weapon to oppress and demonize the very people Jesus commands you to love. Your use of scripture is so self righteous it can only be paralleled to the Pharisees in the bible. I would bet you pray loud and long for your whole congregation to hear how holy and sinless you are. You know the scripture as a source of ammunition to inflict only pain. Calling yourselves pastors, a sacrificial title that is to be the lead servant of his church, is repulsive. You have 2 ears but are deaf. You have no knowledge of Jesus Christ and his saving grace. You only see ways to lift up yourselves and put your heads above others. You reject the basic foundations of a Christian life. Do Justly, walk humbly, and love mercy. The life of Paul must scare the snot out of you.

Hello, Miss (?) Liberty!

You make a few good points in your tirade, but you lost me at "you reject the basic foundations of a Christian life." Based on 2000 years of Christianity, this lovely congregation does exactly what Christians have been doing for these two millennia. In fact, they are very mellow Christians, as they don't kill unbelievers. So the only way for you to prove that they are hypocrites, would be to find all the verses of the Bible which support genocide, and ask them why are they not following Jesus by killing His enemies.

Are you up to the challenge?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why Lutherans are a cult

I don't think I have ever seen a Christian forum full of such hateful people. You use scripture as a weapon to oppress and demonize the very people Jesus commands you to love. Your use of scripture is so self righteous it can only be paralleled to the Pharisees in the bible. I would bet you pray loud and long for your whole congregation to hear how holy and sinless you are. You know the scripture as a source of ammunition to inflict only pain. Calling yourselves pastors, a sacrificial title that is to be the lead servant of his church, is repulsive. You have 2 ears but are deaf. You have no knowledge of Jesus Christ and his saving grace. You only see ways to lift up yourselves and put your heads above others. You reject the basic foundations of a Christian life. Do Justly, walk humbly, and love mercy. The life of Paul must scare the snot out of you.

Just the other day one of my little girls told her daddy that she wanted to know what the United States looks like. Mr. Etheldreda tore a map of the USA from a magazine he'd had, and then tore it into small pieces. He told her to go to her room and see if she could put it together. After a few minutes she returned and handed the map correctly fitted and taped together. Her father was surprised and asked her how she had finished so quickly. She said, "on the other side was a picture of Jesus, and when I put Him back our country just came together!"

You are the kind of person who denies the Real Jesus® and that's what is keeping our country apart. You are the kind of person who is inviting Satan into our schools and communities and Walmarts, carrying on about fairness and separation of church and state and all the things that make the Muslims wring their hands in glee for their plan to pit Americans against Americans is working - because of people like you!