[dauodwa123]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Islam the recognized religion of terrorism and death worldwide? When you think "Terrorist" you think "Muslim" because the two words are interchangeable.

Peace Be upon you, Thank you for your comments. Many people say this, yes. But this is because of the fact that all they see in the media is so called "Islamic Terrorists". If the only thing that Muslims were shown in Islamic countries on TV was about say Americans denying the rights of African Americans, they would think that all AMericans are bad aswell. This media representation will not change until people change their minds, and learn tolerance. Hence my blogging here. Thanks again, Peace be Upon you.

[Marshall]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Islam the recognized religion of terrorism and death worldwide? When you think "Terrorist" you think "Muslim" because the two words are interchangeable.

The King James Version 1611 is the only REAL Bible.

[dauodwa123]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Come back when you're 18, friend.

Peace be upon you, Rest assured I shall, but I find it impossible at the moment to stop countering the negative arguments on this page. May God Almighty give me strength, and reassure my tolerance, and send tolerance to all mankind. Thanks for your comments, Peace Be Upon You PS I study the bible regularly, just as I do the Quran. I must have hundreds of book marks in my copy of the Bible. It is the New Jerusalem Bible though, not the King James Version. Although I have a copy of that as well, I have been assured by Christian theologians and priests that The New Jerusalem Bible is an adequate source for quotes for all Christians. Thanks again.

[dauodwa123]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

A religion inspired by the Devil could do all of those things. It's often said that the Devil will tell nine truths to get you to believe one lie.

However, you missed the point of my questions.

I have read the Quran, and I know that there are some passages here and there that nearly everyone would agree with, and you have pointed out many of them. However, there is nothing unique among any of them. There is nothing among any of those passages that cannot also be found in Christianity, Wicca, Hinduism, Buddhism, Secular Humanism, or even Anton LaVey Satanism.

How do you know that Islam, or any other religion for that matter, is inspired by any supernatural being at all? How do you know that Mohammad didn't come up with all of the ideas in there himself? Do you know for certain that an angel appeared before Mohammad and told him what to write? Or did Mohammad just write whatever he thought it would take to convince the warring Arabic tribes to unite?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Peace be upon you, I know that the Quran is the word of God because the Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him was illiterate, and yet the Quran is recognised as the greatest arabic work of poetry ever written. Also, it should be noted that there are some messages in the Quran which are not yet understood, for instance Aleef Laam Meem. However, things like this slowly come to light. One indication of the Qurans authenticity was only recently discovered when a complete index of the Quran was written and it was realised that the number of times certain words appear is perfectly balance and logical. For instance, the word Month appears twelve times. For the argument of how I know that it is inspired by God or any supernatural being, that is the miracle of faith, the same is applicable to devout Christians. Yes, some of the messages of Islam are not unique. That is because, as I have stated, the religion of Islam did not start with the Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, he was merely the last prophet and perfected the religion. That is why Islam teaches us of all the Prophets that are found in the bible, and teaches us that we have to respect their messages, as they are our prophets as well. That is also why I stated earlier that mistreating the bible would be just as bad as mistreating the Quran, because the prophets and their stories are present in the bible. Muslims believe that the Bible and Torah, Pslams and Gospels and all religious books of Christianity and Judaism are the word of god, but have been diluted by the words of men, when they have been translated into other languages for instance; part of their meaning is lost. That is why the Quran is kept in a perfect state from when it was revealed until now. MAJOR NOTE: My intention on this forum was never to prove to you that Islam is correct. Rather, to convince everyone that we must love all those around us, and respect them regardless of their faith, creed or religion. I submit to you that you must even love Satanist, as they are humans. But you should hate the actions that they partake in and be sure not to agree with their believes. Loving someone doesnt mean that you have to believe their doctrines, it means that you respect their right to follow the doctrine of their choice. Peace Be Upon You. PS, just some angry guy: I know what you mean when no one needs this, but it is my wish for people to understand that we Muslims are open for dialogue, and respect between the religions. If all of us respected on another, would there be any wars? The answer is no; all wars are fundementally ideological, and unless we respect each others ideologies there will always be war, which is most certainly a bad thing. Peace be with you brother.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace Be Upon You, You asked me a question so I will have to take back my comment which said "this is my last comment" and suspend it indefinitely. I study Religion, because it is my passion, and because God Almighty orders Muslims in the Qu'ran to learn all they can about religion, all religion, regardless of which one. I have not yet studied all religions in depth, but it is my intention. Also, I was never much good at Cricket. I prefer Soccer and AFL (Australian Rules Football). Whilst Muslims can offer me an education, I have a part scholarship at the Catholic School, which I might add is responsible for producing many of the important figures in South Australian Courts, and can also be thanked for inviting Afghan and African refugees when they were allowed to live in Australia. Also, it is not just Catholics who educate me. Other Christian denominations have also supported these views. Also, you claim that I am the ignorant, but you are the one who fails to consider my argument and contemplate on the meaning of words therein. It is you who mocks rather than considers. It is you who insults rather than accepts. It is you who claimed you don't hate me, and yet continue to abuse me on the site with racist words and sayings. Please, I urge you to consider that regardless of our personal beliefs, we must work together for the sake of mankind, and the sake of God. I hope you considered the Biblical quote i included in my response, but having read your response I think you chose to ignore it. Also, it is interesting that your only argument against a 16 year old is reduced to stereotype and racism, as well as insults, proven to be highly unfit grounds for a reasonable and logical argument. All Australian historians agree that the Irish, Chinese, Scottish, Italians, Greeks, Muslims, Vietnamese and others were mistreated when they first arrived in Australia. For instance the Afghan Camaleers were not allowed to bring their families and settle in Australia. The Italians and Greeks were subject to racism for many years, and were used as an inexpensive labour force. There was much social and inherent bias against all these people when they first arrived, and that is a fact which you cannot dismiss with your "ignorant" dissmissals of my sources (i.e. Australian Historians, government spokespeople, museums etc). Thank you for your words, Peace Be Upon You

Come back when you're 18, friend.

[dauodwa123]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

I'm sorry...all I heard was 'blah blah blah, I'm an ignorant wannabe Jihadist whose own religion can't offer me an education, so I have to go to a Christian school and listen to a bunch of bigoted kiddy fiddling catholic priest whine about how the Irish were mistreated when they came to Australia.
Why don't you learn to play cricket instead of getting involved in religious studies...?

Peace Be Upon You, You asked me a question so I will have to take back my comment which said "this is my last comment" and suspend it indefinitely. I study Religion, because it is my passion, and because God Almighty orders Muslims in the Qu'ran to learn all they can about religion, all religion, regardless of which one. I have not yet studied all religions in depth, but it is my intention. Also, I was never much good at Cricket. I prefer Soccer and AFL (Australian Rules Football). Whilst Muslims can offer me an education, I have a part scholarship at the Catholic School, which I might add is responsible for producing many of the important figures in South Australian Courts, and can also be thanked for inviting Afghan and African refugees when they were allowed to live in Australia. Also, it is not just Catholics who educate me. Other Christian denominations have also supported these views. Also, you claim that I am the ignorant, but you are the one who fails to consider my argument and contemplate on the meaning of words therein. It is you who mocks rather than considers. It is you who insults rather than accepts. It is you who claimed you don't hate me, and yet continue to abuse me on the site with racist words and sayings. Please, I urge you to consider that regardless of our personal beliefs, we must work together for the sake of mankind, and the sake of God. I hope you considered the Biblical quote i included in my response, but having read your response I think you chose to ignore it. Also, it is interesting that your only argument against a 16 year old is reduced to stereotype and racism, as well as insults, proven to be highly unfit grounds for a reasonable and logical argument. All Australian historians agree that the Irish, Chinese, Scottish, Italians, Greeks, Muslims, Vietnamese and others were mistreated when they first arrived in Australia. For instance the Afghan Camaleers were not allowed to bring their families and settle in Australia. The Italians and Greeks were subject to racism for many years, and were used as an inexpensive labour force. There was much social and inherent bias against all these people when they first arrived, and that is a fact which you cannot dismiss with your "ignorant" dissmissals of my sources (i.e. Australian Historians, government spokespeople, museums etc). Thank you for your words, Peace Be Upon You

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

How do you know that Islam, or any other religion for that matter, is inspired by any supernatural being at all? How do you know that Mohammad didn't come up with all of the ideas in there himself? Do you know for certain that an angel appeared before Mohammad and told him what to write? Or did Mohammad just write whatever he thought it would take to convince the warring Arabic tribes to unite?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Gosh Pastor. You sure are nice to those raggedy heads. I need to learn some more of your tolerance. Do you have tolerance classes I can attend? How much do they cost?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Ive heard better name calling from my 15 year old son!

How would a 17 year old transsexual boy have a 15 year old son?

Tell IT LIKE IT IS BROTHER HOMO! Learn to play cricket rather than go to church and sit there in a boring ass lecture about some guy that people are begginging to suspect is fake. GO HAVE FUN WITH YOUR LIFE. LIVE IT TO THE MAX. DONT WASTE IT IN SOME BORING PLACE WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS. NO ONE NEEDS THIS CRAP. NO ONE AT ALL

Since you are so bored, then have fun in ban-town, and don't re-register this time.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Tell IT LIKE IT IS BROTHER HOMO! Learn to play cricket rather than go to church and sit there in a boring ass lecture about some guy that people are begginging to suspect is fake. GO HAVE FUN WITH YOUR LIFE. LIVE IT TO THE MAX. DONT WASTE IT IN SOME BORING PLACE WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS. NO ONE NEEDS THIS CRAP. NO ONE AT ALL

Your anti Jesus hatespeak isn't liked here friend. He's more than welcome to come to Bible study here in Landover...as long as he stays away from those danged Cathyliks...would you like to come along too? I have an illuminated KJV bible with gilt edges I'd like you to read...its got big print for those that don't read so good...and my kids just loooooooooove the drawings...

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

For instance, If it was inspired by the devil, why then are Muslims ordered to pay Zakat (Alms) to the poor each year? Why are they ordered to love their mothers, "for heaven is at the feet of your mother"? Why does Islam order us to respect Christians and Jews, as well as other religions? Why did the profit Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him forgive all of those who persecuted him after he reclaimed the city of Mecca? Why do Muslims openly state and believe that they follow the one and only true God, the God of the Christians and of the Jew? Are these teachings of the Devil? Would the devil divide the descendants of Adam by telling them to do good deeds and be humble? Or would he divide us by telling us to do that which is evil and bad, and which would verily cause pain and anguish on earth?

A religion inspired by the Devil could do all of those things. It's often said that the Devil will tell nine truths to get you to believe one lie.

However, you missed the point of my questions.

I have read the Quran, and I know that there are some passages here and there that nearly everyone would agree with, and you have pointed out many of them. However, there is nothing unique among any of them. There is nothing among any of those passages that cannot also be found in Christianity, Wicca, Hinduism, Buddhism, Secular Humanism, or even Anton LaVey Satanism.

How do you know that Islam, or any other religion for that matter, is inspired by any supernatural being at all? How do you know that Mohammad didn't come up with all of the ideas in there himself? Do you know for certain that an angel appeared before Mohammad and told him what to write? Or did Mohammad just write whatever he thought it would take to convince the warring Arabic tribes to unite?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Sorry, final note: Islam on interfaith: (from wikipedia) Islam See also: Islam In his Last Sermon, the Prophet Muhammad admonished believers: * "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." Jeffrey Wattles holds that the ethic of reciprocity appears in the following statement attributed to Muhammad: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself."[12] * “Woe to those . . . who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure, but when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due”[13] * The Qur'an commends "those who show their affection to such as came to them for refuge and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves"[14] * “None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”[15] * "Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer; treat well as a neighbor the one who lives near you, that you may be a Muslim [one who submits to God]."[16] * “That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.”[17] * "The most righteous of men is the one who is glad that men should have what is pleasing to himself, and who dislikes for them what is for him disagreeable." [18]

Why oh why aren't you on some Muslim Islamiquist forum? We only read one book here friend -The KJV bible...that Koran thing of yours is the voice of Satan and its not welcome here...

[Just Some Angry Guy]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

I'm sorry...all I heard was 'blah blah blah, I'm an ignorant wannabe Jihadist whose own religion can't offer me an education, so I have to go to a Christian school and listen to a bunch of bigoted kiddy fiddling catholic priest whine about how the Irish were mistreated when they came to Australia.
Why don't you learn to play cricket instead of getting involved in religious studies...?

Tell IT LIKE IT IS BROTHER HOMO! Learn to play cricket rather than go to church and sit there in a boring ass lecture about some guy that people are begginging to suspect is fake. GO HAVE FUN WITH YOUR LIFE. LIVE IT TO THE MAX. DONT WASTE IT IN SOME BORING PLACE WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS. NO ONE NEEDS THIS CRAP. NO ONE AT ALL

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Brother Guy and others, This is my last post until I turn 18. Yes, i list one of my interest as guns. I enrolled on that sight when I was 12, and one my hobbies now is Gun education. I would not use guns to kill people, and as Just Some Angry Guy stated, hunting is a sport, but I would only hunt that which I would eat, or that which is causing problems to an industry, for instance foxes killing sheep. To the pastor who banned me, rest assured that I have investigated Islam deeply. This is a prerequisite of being a Muslim. In Islam, the Quran and Hadith teach us that we should not follow religion blindly just because it is the religion of our forefathers; this is what the polytheists said to prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him in order to disobey the commands of God almighty. Rather, In Islam, we are challenged by God Almighty in the Quran to investigate the Religion, and there are challenges and the like for those who claim that Islam is false, or is inspired from the devil or false gods. For instance, If it was inspired by the devil, why then are Muslims ordered to pay Zakat (Alms) to the poor each year? Why are they ordered to love their mothers, "for heaven is at the feet of your mother"? Why does Islam order us to respect Christians and Jews, as well as other religions? Why did the profit Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him forgive all of those who persecuted him after he reclaimed the city of Mecca? Why do Muslims openly state and believe that they follow the one and only true God, the God of the Christians and of the Jew? Are these teachings of the Devil? Would the devil divide the descendants of Adam by telling them to do good deeds and be humble? Or would he divide us by telling us to do that which is evil and bad, and which would verily cause pain and anguish on earth? Thank you all for having me here. For those who understood that my purpose is to promote interfaith understanding, thank you so much. For those who did not, I pray that God Almighty will give you the strength to love your fellow human beings. It is easy to hate, but the hardest thing is to love. "Luke 7:2736 Love Your Enemies 27 "But I say to you who listen: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If anyone hits you on the cheek, offer the other also. And if anyone takes away your coat, don't hold back your shirt either. 30 Give to everyone who asks from you, and from one who takes away your things, don't ask for them back. 31 Just as you want others to do for you, do the same for them. 32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 If you do [what is] good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do [what is] good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is gracious to the ungrateful and evil. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful." PS, it is true, I do attend a Christian School. Saint Ignatius College Adelaide, a Catholic School, and the reason is that it is an academic school; if I lived in a Muslim country, I would go to a Muslim school. In Adelaide, the Muslim Schools are not as well able to sustain themselves, and their curriculum is not yet perfected. Peace Be With You All, and may almighty god bless you all with love and peace, as well as understanding. See you when I'm 18!

I'm sorry...all I heard was 'blah blah blah, I'm an ignorant wannabe Jihadist whose own religion can't offer me an education, so I have to go to a Christian school and listen to a bunch of bigoted kiddy fiddling catholic priest whine about how the Irish were mistreated when they came to Australia.
Why don't you learn to play cricket instead of getting involved in religious studies...?

[dauodwa123]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Sorry, final note: Islam on interfaith: (from wikipedia) Islam See also: Islam In his Last Sermon, the Prophet Muhammad admonished believers: * "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." Jeffrey Wattles holds that the ethic of reciprocity appears in the following statement attributed to Muhammad: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself."[12] * “Woe to those . . . who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure, but when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due”[13] * The Qur'an commends "those who show their affection to such as came to them for refuge and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves"[14] * “None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”[15] * "Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer; treat well as a neighbor the one who lives near you, that you may be a Muslim [one who submits to God]."[16] * “That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.”[17] * "The most righteous of men is the one who is glad that men should have what is pleasing to himself, and who dislikes for them what is for him disagreeable." [18]

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

For one, learn how to spell defense.For another, now someone like you has went down to as far as name calling? What in the hell is wrong with you? All of you people on here who actually do call people names, SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF IDIOTIC MIDDLE SCHOOL BOYS! Ive heard better name calling from my 15 year old son! Damn you guys are retarded (the ones who have flamed me and called names anyways)

Try typing the word 'defence' into Google and see what comes up friend... you'll find I spelled it quite correctly..sorry... 'co-rekly'.
Unnerstan' that, compadre?
And out of curiosity - what does your 15 year old son call you when he's a cussin' better than I?
I'm willing to bet its 'You dumb rednecked ass-hat'.
You should take steps to curb his foul mouth. We at Landover have parenting classes for middle aged retardeds just like yourself...