[indie-james]

Re: Ecumenicism is Evil

I'm not a christian myself, but..

If god created us all, and we are all like god, but with the devil's impurities. And we love our children, and we are god's children then god should love us... Now tell me why god would punish us if we did something bad and he would send us to hell, but we wouldnt send our children to be tortured forever if they did something bad.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Super Mario Galaxies: a homosexual recruiting tool!

Something tells me it's pretty tough.

No one claims that Noah had it easy.

God called idols false. Manmade gods.

God said "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me." What do your Hindu friends think about that? Have you even warned them about it?

Yeah, God's word is right because God's word says so. Argue without circular reasoning.

God promised to preserve His Word for us. Are you calling God a liar? Are you saying His Word is not good?

You are leading people in what was essentially a kind, welcoming, and loving religion to be intolerant and judgmental.

Our religion IS kind, welcoming, and loving. However, people must repent of sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior if they expect to be saved.

Here's something to consider: Symbolism. When Jesus said anything along the lines of "believe in me," maybe he stood as a symbol for his message of love and good.

Why must you twist scripture around to fit your beliefs? People can assert symbolism to make any text say anything. How do you know where to stop? Which parts of the Bible are symbolism and which parts are to be taken literally? It seems to me that the parts you don't like to are be taken as symbolism, and only the parts you like are to be taken literally. Can you provide a working rule of thumb for how to determine which parts are literal and which parts are symbolic?

I don't believe that God speaks in riddles to confuse us. I believe His Word is plain, easy for everyone to understand.

Isaiah 64:5-6 is about how they were punished for sinning. They were like "sunday Christians," going to church and everything, but they lived lives of sin. They were a Jewish community doing exactly what God told them not to.

Where did you find that nonsense? There is nothing about God's punishment for sin in those verses. Those verses explain how nothing we do is good in God's sight.

Do you still believe that good works alone are enough to get you saved? Read this:
Eph 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Gal 2:16 A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:11-12
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

Friend, you need to put your pride on the shelf and learn to admit when you are wrong.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[SgtPatches]

Re: Super Mario Galaxies: a homosexual recruiting tool!

No one claims that Noah had it easy.

Sarcasm, pastor. I'm saying it's impossible to fit so many animals on a boat that size.

God said "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me." What do your Hindu friends think about that? Have you even warned them about it?

Hindus don't have gods in the same sense Christians do. In fact, their centerpiece of religion isn't their gods, it centers around living well.

God promised to preserve His Word for us. Are you calling God a liar? Are you saying His Word is not good?

No, I'm saying you use faulty circular reasoning to argue that one man was the Messiah, when in truth, there are many similar stories.

Our religion IS kind, welcoming, and loving. However, people must repent of sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior if they expect to be saved.

The religion is, but your denomination does not. It excludes others and judges them. Labeling people as soldiers and worshipers of Satan just because they do not agree with you.

Why must you twist scripture around to fit your beliefs? People can assert symbolism to make any text say anything. How do you know where to stop? Which parts of the Bible are symbolism and which parts are to be taken literally? It seems to me that the parts you don't like to are be taken as symbolism, and only the parts you like are to be taken literally. Can you provide a working rule of thumb for how to determine which parts are literal and which parts are symbolic?

I don't believe that God speaks in riddles to confuse us. I believe His Word is plain, easy for everyone to understand.

The Bible is chock full of symbolism. The reason so many stories sound so mythical and strange is because they're not meant to be taken literally, they're meant to be studied for theology.

Where did you find that nonsense? There is nothing about God's punishment for sin in those verses.

But when we continued to sin against them, you were angry. Isaiah 64:5

Dolt.

Also, "But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?" - James 2:20.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Super Mario Galaxies: a homosexual recruiting tool!

No, I'm saying you use faulty circular reasoning to argue that one man was the Messiah, when in truth, there are many similar stories.

Name one similar story, and please use scholarly sources to prove that the alleged similarities predate Jesus.

The religion is, but your denomination does not. It excludes others and judges them. Labeling people as soldiers and worshipers of Satan just because they do not agree with you.

We don't exclude anyone. We preach the Gospel to all who will hear, and try to save everyone.

The Bible is chock full of symbolism. The reason so many stories sound so mythical and strange is because they're not meant to be taken literally, they're meant to be studied for theology.

None of the stories sound mythical or strange to me. I notice that you completely avoided my questions, so I will ask then again:

Which parts of the Bible are symbolism and which parts are to be taken literally? It seems to me that the parts you don't like to are be taken as symbolism, and only the parts you like are to be taken literally. Can you provide a working rule of thumb for how to determine which parts are literal and which parts are symbolic?

But when we continued to sin against them, you were angry. Isaiah 64:5

Dolt.

What false version of the Bible are you reading? This is what the King James Bible says:

Isaiah 64:5-6
5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Also, "But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?" - James 2:20.

The correct version of that passage says "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

This passage is telling you that if someone is saved, they will do good works as a natural consequence. If someone is not doing good works, it is proof that they are not saved.

Good works are evidence of salvation, not the path to salvation. You have yet to show me any in-context passages that say good works are all that are required to be saved. You won't either, as there are no such passages.

Edited to add: I mean to say that there are no such passages that apply now, before the tribulation. Once the rapture happens and the tribulation starts, the salvation through grace deal is off, and those left behind can only be saved by works. See John 5:24-29 for details.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[SgtPatches]

Re: Ecumenicism is Evil

You know what? I'm done in this forum. You guys are a bunch of ridiculous right-winged Bible-beaters. It's obvious why everyone hates Baptists. You guys need to open your eyes and mind. Your tunnel vision kills you and just makes you primitive. Frankly, you're the reason why Christianity isn't seen in modern light. You're the reason Christianity is seen as backward an intolerant. Ecumenicism isn't evil, they're just reaching out and being friendly. But then, for a forum that talks trash about other races like Inuits or Native Americans as evil, It's no surprise you don't know about reaching out.

Dickholes.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Ecumenicism is Evil

You know what? I'm done in this forum.

It sounds to me like you realize that you don't have any good answers to my questions, and you are leaving before you have to admit that you are wrong.

It's obvious why everyone hates Baptists.

It's obvious to me, too. Jesus prophesied that we would be hated for spreading the true gospel.

Luke 21:15-17
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

He also let us know that this is a good thing:
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Wait, let me guess -- those verses are meant to be taken symbolically too, right?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[SgtPatches]

Re: Ecumenicism is Evil

Actually, I'm leaving because you guys are a bunch of radical right-winged bigots who constantly think in circles. No use arguing anymore when all you do is blab about how good you are whatever.

By the way, just because many hate the Baptists doesn't mean Jesus is being persecuted. Catholics, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and others don't even face as much talk about being nut-jobs as you people do. Hell, you guys are white supremacists, talking trash about other races as if yours is any better. You're hateful prejudicial people.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Ecumenicism is Evil

Actually, I'm leaving because you guys are a bunch of radical right-winged bigots who constantly think in circles. No use arguing anymore when all you do is blab about how good you are whatever.

By the way, just because many hate the Baptists doesn't mean Jesus is being persecuted. Catholics, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and others don't even face as much talk about being nut-jobs as you people do. Hell, you guys are white supremacists, talking trash about other races as if yours is any better. You're hateful prejudicial people.

Your problem is with God's Holy Word, not us. Don't think of us as somehow evil just because we follow the Holy Bible literally.

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Galatians. 4:16