[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

This is why it is nearly impossible to speak. You cannot think outside of your belief. You have made my point clear. You are afraid to think outside of belief because you believe you will go to hell if you do so. That is exactly why our world was doomed from the start. Our minds are easily persuaded by promises of happiness and eternity.

I don't step off a cliff because I know I will plummet to my death if I do so. As much as you wish it were so, we don't live in an Elmer Fudd world where you won't fall if you don't believe you're standing on thin air. You will fall, you will die.
Eternal damnation is like that. Not wanting it to exist doesn't make the fires scorching your soul because you rejected Jesus any less real.

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Please explain to us upon what you base your belief that ignoring God's Word (and, in fact, acting in direct opposition to His commandments) will get this person a one-way ticket to Heaven.

Your own imagination or your human concepts of "fair play" are not relevant, only God's Will is.

So riddle me this "Jenny *obscenity deleted*" in what *obscenity deleted* backwards reality do you live where your "God" has hands and cares enough about your sorry *obscenity deleted* to write a book? Authors are depressive creeps! Not GODS!

[Transmission]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

I don't step off a cliff because I know I will plummet to my death if I do so. As much as you wish it were so, we don't live in an Elmer Fudd world where you won't fall if you don't believe you're standing on thin air. You will fall, you will die.
Eternal damnation is like that. Not wanting it to exist doesn't make the fires scorching your soul because you rejected Jesus any less real.

Mam, I never spoke of not dying. We all die.

I never said hell does not exist, I said it is not absolutely true that it does. It is a belief that it does. Until the Messiah comes to judge the living and the dead, Christianity is a belief. Not a fact.

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

So riddle me this "Jenny D*****" in what *** backwards reality do you live where your "God" has hands and cares enough about your sorry *** to write a book? Authors are depressive creeps! Not GODS!

You're certainly a vulgar one. I'll thank you not to speak that way on this Church forum. How you speak to your "moms" in the "hood" is your business, but this is God's house!

Man was made in God's likeness. Man has hands. God has hands.

Don't you read, son?

Why would God bother to create us if He didn't care about us? Why would He create Hell to torture people like you for all eternity in, when you reject Him?

Really, now you're just being silly. All your childish ranting and cussing won't make God go away, and it won't scare us off, either. We just want you to come to Jesus; the fact that you're sitting on our Church forum indicates that you want to, as well!

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Mam, I never spoke of not dying. We all die.

I never said hell does not exist, I said it is not absolutely true that it does. It is a belief that it does. Until the Messiah comes to judge the living and the dead, Christianity is a belief. Not a fact.

I used death by falling as a comparison to help point out that no matter what you belief, reality is still the truth.
Speaking of reality, the Jesus already came to Earth once and performed many miracles, including His resurrection after the crucifixion. That is a fact, thus Christianity isn't a belief, it's the objective truth.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

As I said, what if an unbeliver does incredibly good things, like saving one of you from falling off a cliff? Would he still go to hell?

Tne very definition of "Good" is to go what God wants, becaue God is good.

The very defintion of "Evil" is to fail to do what God wants, for whatever reason.

Thus if an unbeleiver saves me from falling (which by the way, is intervening with Gods will, and is no different from cloning or stem-cell murder or homosexuality or abortion) that does not make you "good" because the definition of "good" is to be a believer and the definiton of "evil" is to be an unbeliever.

Believe and you get heaven. Fail to believe and Jesus will send you to be tortured forever.

John 3:16. It's not the most popular Bible verse for nothing.

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

You're certainly a vulgar one. I'll thank you not to speak that way on this Church forum. How you speak to your "moms" in the "hood" is your business, but this is God's house!

Man was made in God's likeness. Man has hands. God has hands.

Don't you read, son?

Why would God bother to create us if He didn't care about us? Why would He create Hell to torture people like you for all eternity in, when you reject Him?

Really, now you're just being silly. All your childish ranting and cussing won't make God go away, and it won't scare us off, either. We just want you to come to Jesus; the fact that you're sitting on our Church forum indicates that you want to, as well!

Honestly I can be very vulgar, its part of the American culture. we were made in the image of "God" as that we have the cognitive ability, not in a literal image of "God". If that was the case, you wouldnt be able to see us...

Im also a white guy living in urban suburbia, and I have one (1) ONE Christian mother, and a Christian father, and they are both dissapointed in my choice to pay attention to how stupid the religious are. And, on the note of wanted to be saved by jesus, Im just here to make fun of you and its really fun. The screenshots and quotes of all these pedophiles and rapists and racists will really help my supreme court case against vocal baptists, so thank you for that

P.S. That childish ranting as you put it is the educated (thats when you go to school and learn from books not written by your imagination and graduate (thats pronounced GRA-JEW-ATE)) opinion and views of a lawyer and PHD in Psychology, Criminology and World Religions. What do you have to show for? NOTHING. When I say Jesus was a jew, what do you say?

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Honestly I can be very vulgar, its part of the American culture. we were made in the image of "God" as that we have the cognitive ability, not in a literal image of "God". If that was the case, you wouldnt be able to see us...

Since you've never seen God, how can you say what He does or does not look like? The Bible says we are made in His image.

Im also a white guy living in urban suburbia, and I have one (1) ONE Christian mother, and a Christian father, and they are both dissapointed in my choice to pay attention to how stupid the religious are. And, on the note of wanted to be saved by jesus, Im just here to make fun of you and its really fun. The screenshots and quotes of all these pedophiles and rapists and racists will really help my supreme court case against vocal baptists, so thank you for that

Yes, I'm sure your parents are disappointed that they must come down to the basement and tell you to keep both hands on the desk so frequently.

Did you do the laundry yet? Mommy's getting tired of cleaning up after you.

Tell me, what are you fantasizing about suing us for? Not telling you feel-good lies about the Bible on our own, adults-only, registration-required forum?

P.S. That childish ranting as you put it is the educated (thats when you go to school and learn from books not written by your imagination and graduate (thats pronounced GRA-JEW-ATE)) opinion and views of a lawyer and PHD in Psychology, Criminology and World Religions. What do you have to show for? NOTHING.

I can write complete, grammatically-correct, and coherent sentences and paragraphs. I guess they don't teach basic writing skills at Imaginary U. They did at the Christian orphanage where I grew up.

When I say Jesus was a jew, what do you say?

I say, as I have before, that Jews worship Jehovah and deny His Son's divinity. Do you deny this?

If Jesus were a Jew, that would mean that He worships Himself AND also denies His own divinity.

I think your claim that Jesus is a Jew proves that you have never studied logic and have limited reasoning ability.

If the Internet connection in your parents' basement is sufficient, I suggest you try a nice online education course in logic, and a series in basic English grammar. They'll take you far further than your PhD from Imaginary U.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Im just here to make fun of you

In that case, out of True Christian(tm) charity, I shall let you choose your fate on this forum. Quarantine, banning or a change of heart. You decide.

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Since you've never seen God, how can you say what He does or does not look like? The Bible says we are made in His image.

Yes, I'm sure your parents are disappointed that they must come down to the basement and tell you to keep both hands on the desk so frequently.

Did you do the laundry yet? Mommy's getting tired of cleaning up after you.

Tell me, what are you fantasizing about suing us for? Not telling you feel-good lies about the Bible on our own, adults-only, registration-required forum?

I can write complete, grammatically-correct, and coherent sentences and paragraphs. I guess they don't teach basic writing skills at Imaginary U. They did at the Christian orphanage where I grew up.

I say, as I have before, that Jews worship Jehovah and deny His Son's divinity. Do you deny this?

If Jesus were a Jew, that would mean that He worships Himself AND also denies His own divinity.

I think your claim that Jesus is a Jew proves that you have never studied logic and have limited reasoning ability.

If the Internet connection in your parents' basement is sufficient, I suggest you try a nice online education course in logic, and a series in basic English grammar. They'll take you far further than your PhD from Imaginary U.

Feel better? Because I know I do. Having just recieved the truth delivered from "God"'s own instrument of rectification.

WHOA! Reality Check! Who's acting childish now? I’m arguing real issues, true logic and sensibility and you throw out insults I haven’t heard since grade school? The insolence coming from you is unbearable. Thank you for the semi intelligent argument though. Enjoy heaven in all its glorified sanctity

[RogueFilosifer]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

I say, as I have before, that Jews worship Jehovah and deny His Son's divinity. Do you deny this?

If Jesus were a Jew, that would mean that He worships Himself AND also denies His own divinity.

I think your claim that Jesus is a Jew proves that you have never studied logic and have limited reasoning ability.

So is Jesus a christian then?

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Feel better? Because I know I do. Having just recieved the truth delivered from "God"'s own instrument of rectification.

WHOA! Reality Check! Who's acting childish now? I’m arguing real issues, true logic and sensibility and you throw out insults I haven’t heard since grade school? The insolence coming from you is unbearable. Thank you for the semi intelligent argument though. Enjoy heaven in all its glorified sanctity

Wow, you spent half an hour to not answer any of my questions. You didn't argue a single issue, nor have you demonstrated any logic nor sensibility. Instead, you've lied about an education you clearly do not have, and attempted to insult us.

Impressive school, this Imaginary U. I bet you're captain of the debate team, right?

You're a troll, and not even a clever or amusing troll. You're a high school kid at best, attempting to get a rise out of the "Jesus freaks".

Here's a news flash, little boy. You're on the fast-track to Hell, and Jesus will be shoving you down into the flames with one sandaled foot. Not because you insult us, oh no. Because you deny and insult HIM.

Enjoy your eternity of torture.

[JennyD]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

So is Jesus a christian then?

If you read your Bible instead of comic books, you'd know that Jesus is God.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

Originally Posted by RogueFilosifer
Im just here to make fun of you

In that case, out of True Christian™ charity, I shall let you choose your fate on this forum. Quarantine, banning or a change of heart. You decide.

I have to go now, Andrew. My husband, Mr. Whitford, wants a sandwich before we retire for the night. Be sure to leave your answer here anyway.

[Glendora Christianson]

Re: What if an Unbeliver does many good things?

I am thinking that a nice Unbeliever would make a good greeter for Hell? (You know, like those old folks at Wal-Mart) HELPFUL GLENDORA