[Brother Temperance]

Re: Athiesm

Alright, im posting it in here because there is no where else on here that is appropriate, well in all reality this isnt even appropraite seeing as it isn't a religion. But that's not the point. I am here to make the case for Athiesm, please don't try and tell me i am wrong because i could just as easily say the same thing back.

Yes, but you'd be lying. Like a typical atheist.

Reason 5) I can't see God, I can't touch God, I can't hear God, why should I believe that 'he' is in charge of my life?

That's just nonsense. Catholic priests touch little children, but do they believe that they run the universe?

Reason 8 ) How can you put blind faith into something that is so self contradictory?

Well, it's a lot easier than coming to a rational, informed decision to agree with something self-contradictory.

I'll have to disagree with the original poster. Atheism and Faith are NOT equal. How can they be? One doctrine is based on love and the other on critisism.

Well I might be wrong. There might actually be real christian spirit here - a great surging passion for mutual understanding and a drive to accept everyone as they are. There might actually be people here who truly loves all.

You don't seem very loving to us. Did you know that anarchists are all violent terrorists who hate God?

We wouldn't take seriously a Buddhist who spelled his religion "Buhddism".

To be fair, I can't imagine any circumstances in which I would ever take someone who worshipped a fat chink seriously.

Atheism does not = Cult. Athiesm does not constitute worship and ritual

I am an atheist, I am not a cultist. I do not worship anything.

What about monkeys?

Haha. I do not expect, want nor need your envy. My life is not sad and empty. I am happy. However I see what you're getting at. My life may indeed seem unfulfilling. Yet, there are other things I wish to do in my life. I wish to achieve. So I do not see my life as unfulfilling, sad nor empty. I want to go on to gain a PhD, and become a theoretical physist or chemist.

Have you ever considered that there might be more to life than cooking crystal meth? And don't just say "yes, I also want to cook MDMA"!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Athiesm

Haha. I do not expect, want nor need your envy. My life is not sad and empty. I am happy. However I see what you're getting at. My life may indeed seem unfulfilling. Yet, there are other things I wish to do in my life. I wish to achieve. So I do not see my life as unfulfilling, sad nor empty. I want to go on to gain a PhD, and become a theoretical physist or chemist.

Just as God fulfills your life, science does mine. Just because I have no being to worship, does not mean I am empty and selfish.

How old are you boy?

[iced_tea]

Re: Athiesm

Friend, I don't envy you. What a sad empty life must you lead.

Genesis 22:5
And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.

Haha. I do not expect, want nor need your envy. My life is not sad and empty. I am happy. However I see what you're getting at. My life may indeed seem unfulfilling. Yet, there are other things I wish to do in my life. I wish to achieve. So I do not see my life as unfulfilling, sad nor empty. I want to go on to gain a PhD, and become a theoretical physist or chemist.

Just as God fulfills your life, science does mine. Just because I have no being to worship, does not mean I am empty and selfish.

[Roberta]

Re: Athiesm

Looks to me like you worship white bimbos!

[Wide-Open]

Re: Athiesm

I am an atheist, I am not a cultist. I do not worship anything.

Friend, I don't envy you. What a sad empty life must you lead.

Genesis 22:5
And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Athiesm

No it's not.

Definitions:

Cult: A system or community of religious worship and ritual.

Atheism: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

Atheism does not = Cult. Athiesm does not constitute worship and ritual

I am an atheist, I am not a cultist. I do not worship anything.

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His ferocious love, and that you will tithe robustly immediately using the Paypal button at the bottom of this page.

[iced_tea]

Re: Athiesm

Atheism is a cult like Scientology or Mormonism.

No it's not.

Definitions:

Cult: A system or community of religious worship and ritual.

Atheism: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

Atheism does not = Cult. Athiesm does not constitute worship and ritual

I am an atheist, I am not a cultist. I do not worship anything.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Athiesm

Also, dear friend, a minor but irritating point: why can't you spell atheist correctly?

As Mister Falsifiable pointed out, you are spelling it wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong!

We wouldn't take seriously a Buddhist who spelled his religion "Buhddism". We would laugh in the face of Zoroastrian who spelled his religion "Zorosatrism". And we would mock a Darwinist who spelled his religion "Dawranism".

Sheesh.

The morality of atheism is built on the foolish concept that people can tell right from wrong. But obviously it takes God's Law to guide people into good and moral behavior, otherwise everyone gets his own ideas and runs around raping sheep and slaughtering Serbs and shooting up on laudanum. It just ain't right unless God says it is right!

~~ OEJ

[Brother V]

Re: Athiesm

i will admit those reasons are bad but i'm still athiest and i used to be christian.

Dear friend:

Why do you hate Jesus?

YIC
V

[slipknot5]

Re: Athiesm

i will admit those reasons are bad but i'm still athiest and i used to be christian. so i have been there and it sucks to be honest. and we're not fools OR liars for believing in what we believe in. you just dont like that people think differently from you. get over yourself. i think god isnt real...and i will give satan a hug for you when i die.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Athiesm

Indeed, since the days of the Crusades Christianity has been exemplified as a loving, inclusive religion. As the great Christian theologian R. Rushdoony put it in 1973,

"Peace with God means warfare with the enemies of God. Christ made clear that allegiance to Him meant a sword of division (Matt. 10:34-36). A man must therefore pick his enemies: God or sinful man? If a man is at peace with sinful men, he is at war with God."

In this quotation we see the true and real nature of Christianity. Praise the Lord!

Elsewhere Christian pastors have written that the only result of the warfare against sinful men must be "the blotting out of the enemies of God." The BLOTTING OUT of the enemies of God!

Oh I tell you, writing those words sends chills of righteous Christian love all up and down my spine! For the Lord thy God is a God of FEAR!

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luke 12:5

Yessir! God lets down His holiness and love in the blotting out of His enemies! In the great and wonderful fear that Christ told us to have for His Father! Oh, is not Christian love marvelous beyond all words?

Indeed it is!

~~ OEJ

[Regression]

Re: Athiesm

I'll have to disagree with the original poster. Atheism and Faith are NOT equal. How can they be? One doctrine is based on love and the other on critisism. Unfortunately for the beloved, their loving message often turns to hostility when faced with poisoning human side-effects such as "reason". And fortunately for the cynical critics of the cosmos, they almost entirely react completely the opposite way. They welcome argument, they relish in the thought that they may actually be proved wrong. They have realized, since centuries past, that truth is sought not not by hindering diversity but rather encouraging it. Now, as it is, it's unfortunately completely and utterly impossible to engage in any form of "reasonable" debate with a true believer; so in a sense, their love for the truth and message of Christ is ironically PRECISELY what keeps them from seeking and obtaining both.

Well I might be wrong. There might actually be real christian spirit here - a great surging passion for mutual understanding and a drive to accept everyone as they are. There might actually be people here who truly loves all; believers and disbelievers. Poor and rich. Healthy and the sick. The good as well as the bad. However, that is not what this particular church is about. Not judging from what I've seen so far atleast.

[WickedWitch]

Re: Athiesm

Praise Jesus! We might make a True Christian™ girl out of you yet, Alie.

Yeah, well, just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Athiesm

I encourage anyone who want to impress Atheism (rather then athiesm, whatever that is, original poster) on anyone here to read the Bible (specifically the KJV for these people) and understand that they believe in everything in it. That will answer almost ALL your questions.

If you want to discuss Christianity effectively you must do it with someone who is not a Christian, basically, an intelligent atheist. (NOT an apathetic vegetable of an agnostic, or a HEATHEN of a liberal (YUCK)) A proper full blown atheist who knows there philosophy and their logic.

Since i've unfortunately in the past dabbled with the stuff, I can tell you the unfalsifiable nature of Christianity makes it logically sound in a circular way (circular reasoning) but no matter how much you study science you cant disprove it or even comfort (much, i suppose, some people can block things out) yourself due to science's inductive (look the word up and understand it and how i've used it before you reply) nature.


And it is interesting you praised Maths earlier. You do realise a true mathematician
has to be a theist? Read some René Decartes. If you don't believe in God giving meaning to your practise, you simply ignore the question of what makes maths hold together, because there is no atheist answer. I haven't explained that well, try good old René. He was a papist though, I believe.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Athiesm

Oh that's easy! You just need to use "Christian Logic" (an oxymormon, I know, but bear with me). You see, the Pastors follow every word in the KJV Bible. And every word in the KJV Bible is right and is completely true/factual. We know this because the Bible tells us so. Thus, anyone following the Word of the Bible is also right. Thus, the Pastors are right. See how easy that was?

Praise Jesus! We might make a True Christian™ girl out of you yet, Alllie.