[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

After discussion with a few fellow devout Christians over dinner i've been enlightened to the conclusion that you and your people are beyond saving, and that I should waste no more effort trying to do so.

Apparently, these were false-Christians.

2 Peter

2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Matthew
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Keeping company with such filthy heretics has permitted damnation to seep into your soul and has convinced you that you are allowed to make up your own gospel which means you have been given over to delusion.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

As erroneous as he may be, Reverend Clement's knowledge of scriptures is unfortunately much greater than mine.

How do you know what is erroneous and what is not, when you refuse to look into God's Word for yourself? How could you possibly know what is right and what is wrong if you refuse to read the Bible?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

I'm through arguing over semantics. As erroneous as he may be, Reverend Clement's knowledge of scriptures is unfortunately much greater than mine.

After discussion with a few fellow devout Christians over dinner i've been enlightened to the conclusion that you and your people are beyond saving, and that I should waste no more effort trying to do so. I must say that I admire your people's tenacity in your faith, as mis-guided as it may be.

You said you know the truth about Christianity. I'd like you to explain it to me. How else will we know if you have learned the truth?

Who is God? What does He want from us? What are His attributes? How do you get to Heaven?

No religion condones hurting another human being on purpose..

Actually, with the possible exception of Sikhism, every religion of any size (which I guess leaves Sikhism out) demands the execution of apostates and other sinners of various sorts.

Have you ever bothered to read any religion's Scriptures, or do you just make up what you think these religions should say and decide that's what their Scripture says?

[scotty niebuhr]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

Really?

Please explain to me who the Bible says God is, and how one gets to Heaven.

I'm through arguing over semantics. As erroneous as he may be, Reverend Clement's knowledge of scriptures is unfortunately much greater than mine.

After discussion with a few fellow devout Christians over dinner i've been enlightened to the conclusion that you and your people are beyond saving, and that I should waste no more effort trying to do so. I must say that I admire your people's tenacity in your faith, as mis-guided as it may be.

[nowsally]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

S.Niebuhr I agree with everything you posted. I also agree that these people will not see reason because they are opposed to ACTUALLY LISTENING to an opposing side. Its true. They do pick certain lines from the bible and stitch them together so that they can make themselves feel better about what they do. Some of the things I have read in this forum is disgusting. How can you guys boast about beating your wives? How can you support a man for entertaining the idea of divorcing his wife who has cancer because he feels that's a sin? No religion condones hurting another human being on purpose..I take back all the hurtful comments I said yesterday and I apologize for saying them. I truly hope God has mercy on your souls because you all have sinned beyond repair. I just pray your family has not been affected by your acts.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

I think I now understand the truth about this religion, and the futility of my efforts. I'm sorry I wasn't able to convert you with my limited understanding and scripture mis-use. May God have mercy on your souls.

Really?

Please explain to me who the Bible says God is, and how one gets to Heaven.

[scotty niebuhr]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

I think I now understand the truth about this religion, and the futility of my efforts. I'm sorry I wasn't able to convert you with my limited understanding and scripture mis-use. May God have mercy on your souls.

[Titus Templeton]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

Sikhs sounds like Skinheads. I smell some racism there.

I'd love to see where God tells us to respect other religions.

Some people have never heard of the golden calf. Shame.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

But that is not your place to judge for yourself the rest who have not committed these acts on God's behalf. You are not omnipotent, you do not know these people.

Oh but we can and are commanded to judge you and these people.

Matthew
18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I'll say it again because I think you are hard of hearing,God expects and commands His people to judge false teaching and to reject wolves and false teachers.

1 Corinthians
6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

1 John
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

We are commanded not to believe every spirit. This means do not believe every wind of teaching you hear. We are commanded to "try" or test the spirits. This means we are to test all teaching with the Word of God. This will allow God's people to see if the teaching is from God or not. By testing the for a false prophet, judgments must be made between right and wrong doctrine based on what the Bible says.

Ephesians
5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

God's people are to prove what is acceptable unto the Lord. This involves making a judgment between right and wrong. We prove the teaching is true or false by using the Bible as our guideline because the Bible plainly says it.

As a result of judgment we have no association with evil.

You are not reading the Bible, you have to read the Bible in order to read the Bible. That is why, you are absolutely wrong and headed straight to hell, friend.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

Incorrect use of scripture deleted and the use of blatant bigotry and heresy deleted..

Friend, will you show us where the Lord said to tolerate other religions.

John
14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The only way to serve God is by accepting Jesus, who is God, there is no other way.

Mark
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Your liberal false-Christianity will lead to a path of depravity and hell.

2 Timothy
3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

I ask again, why do you hate Jesus, friend?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

I'd love to see where God tells us to respect other religions.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

For many of the 2000 years of Christianity has there been conflict between Christians and Muslims??

And in the 500 years of Sikhism, how long?

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Since the Arab conquest in 634 AD. Are you even vaguely aware that Egypt, North Africa and the Eastern Mediterranean were Christian during the Later Roman Empire? I would think that point if would be as obvious as your nose since the Holy Land was one of the first targets of the Muslim Jihad and heck, there are Christian communities in India that date back to the Ancient Era.

While you are at it, please meet the Apostle Thomas who died in India in 72AD.

So that is the Muslim attack upon the Easter Orthodox Church in 634 AD, the Muslim invasion of Spain in 711AD

By the times the Moguls were attacking your Sikh ancestors the Spanish had reconquered Spain from the Muslims and it was 500 years after the First Crusade.

Why are you so utterly ignorant of world history? Do you do really think Christianity began with the British Raji?

[scotty niebuhr]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

Friend, it appears as though you are accusing us of bigotry and prejudice. We do not participate in either and we do not tolerate that behavior in this Godly Forum.

They wear pillowcases on their heads and they come from Islamastan or Hindustan or wherever Muslims come from.


So what are sikhs really? Are they curry-munching cow-worshipping dotheads or pedophile-worshipping terrorists? Or are they something between?

You are nothing close to a US marine.

You piffle assholes.

You lick assholes after you piffleed them.

You piffle dog's assholes.

After that, you invite all your sikh shithead gay boyfriends to piffle the dog's asshole as well... then you suck it clean.

There are so many different kinds of towel heads - Sunny Muslims, Shittight Muslims, Sikh (Sick?), etc. It's hard to tell 'em apart, but since they're all terrorists, I don't think it matters - we just bomb all of them.

Dear Whiney Jew;

Your pals in the (99% queer) SFPD can't touch us.

I'll tell you why: Because they're mudslimes who want to cut your Christian head off!

And then play soccer with it probably.

Who knows how many beautiful Christian White Americans these muzzies would have killed in the name of their false prophet Muhammed (piss be upon him) in order to get their 75 virgins that they think they are going to get in Heaven (which they won't go to anyway even if they believe it) if they kill enough Christian White Americans.

These are words from your own members.

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, economic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality personal habits, political alignment, race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex or sexual orientation. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view.

The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, nationality or other personal characteristics. It can also refer to unfounded beliefs and may include "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence." Gordon Allport defined prejudice as a "feeling, favorable or unfavorable, toward a person or thing, prior to, or not based on, actual experience."

What you preach is bigotry. What you preach is prejudice. What you preach is hate. There isn't any other way to put it. You may be too far wrapped in your beliefs to comprehend this, but at the end of the day whether you'll admit it or not your words here demonstrate this by definition. Yes there are people from these backgrounds who have committed atrocious acts, and yes according to the teachings of the Bible many of these may be condemned to hell. But that is not your place to judge for yourself the rest who have not committed these acts on God's behalf. You are not omnipotent, you do not know these people.


1 Peter
2:23 When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly.
3:8 Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.
3:9 Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing

Titus
3:1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,
3:2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.
3:3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.

There's always going to be people of different faiths and viewpoints.

And everything was almost going so well for you and you had to go and say something that the Bible does not say, and is jooish in tone.

Do you really need the bible to inform you that there are other faiths and viewpoints in the world? I considered this an obvious fact of life. Whether I agree with those other viewpoints or if I believe they'll go to hell isn't the question, they're still there. How you treat these people really determines the extent of your following of the our Lord's word. I follow the teachings of the Lord, and if members of my church made comments such as those above I would ashamed, and so should they.


Romans
1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
1:30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 1:32 although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Not only are most of the statements from your members I listed above prejudice, they're outright slanderous. There may be people who fit these descriptions, but 99% of the San Francisco Police Department, that risk their lives on a daily basis, are not homosexual. Whoever that marine was, was probably not a homosexual. There might be dangerous Sikhs out there, but most probably do not carry their ceremonial blade to kill Christians or want to play soccer with their heads. And it's doubtful any of the victims in the recent Sikh massacre would have gone on to kill anyone.

Yet you claim this. And you support that by not speaking against them. You're no better than them, and they perfectly fit the bible's description; insolent, arrogant, and boastful.

We are here and showing you the Word of God and you choose to persecute us.

Why do you hate Jesus so much, friend?

No you pick and choose the passages you want to follow and those you don't. And putting my beliefs in question will earn you no points. Most of your reply had nothing to do with my original statements. You can't deny that your messages are full of hate. As vengeful as He may be, this isn't the Lord's teachings, this is your teachings. Your own twisted interpretation based on prejudice and intolerance. I hope one day you can realize the error of your ways because I truly feel sorry for you and the cold realization you'll feel on Judgement Day when you're left behind for your outright hate. You'll still try to justify your false teachings to yourself, and disregard this as blasphemy. But you know the lies you're spreading, the hateful deceit Satan whispers in your ear to practice such bigotry. You'll know soon enough.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

For many of the 2000 years of Christianity has there been conflict between Christians and Muslims??

And in the 500 years of Sikhism, how long?

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Christianity (assuming we include Catholics) has fought Islam since it became known.

The first of the Crusades began in 1071. So, while I have no doubt there were previous clashes in the 370+ years preceding (going back to Islam's invention), this is the first I immediately find a record of.

Sikhism was invented in the 1600s. Christianity had already been pitted at war with the Islamofascists for 600 years when your "new" little cult was dreamed up.

Are all Sikhs as bad at math as you?

[Cornwallace]

Re: Muslims and Sikhs: is there a difference?

You said "Sikhism has been fighting Islam longer than you [Christians]. That is not possible, given that Christianity has been fighting Islam since Islam was invented . . . Which was well before Sikhism was made up.

For many of the 2000 years of Christianity has there been conflict between Christians and Muslims??

And in the 500 years of Sikhism, how long?

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