[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

I suspect that God can tell the difference between a vulgar bleached blonde and a natural, sun-kissed blonde like Sister Mary Etheldreda. (And by "suspect" I mean "am 100% confident".)

[James Hutchins]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Given the information here, I dyed my hair blonde

Honey, you dye to go darker. Ginger --> blonde would be bleaching.

/boaflickandsashayoff

No matter what you do to the drapes, Jesus sees the original carpet and knows it is just a HGTV slut weekend makeover. When God looks deep into your hollow eyes, He sees the soulless emptiness that all gingers are.
Really quite sad, making Jesus see these things. Bad enough the joos nailed Him to a cross, but to have to add insult to injury.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Given the information here, I dyed my hair blonde

Honey, you dye to go darker. Ginger --> blonde would be bleaching.

/boaflickandsashayoff

[alannababe]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Given the information here, I dyed my hair blonde

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

A True Christian woman would never give birth to a ginger. There! Does that answer your question?

Truer words were never spoken! Why, even if I didn't have the good sense not to do such a thing, Mr. Etheldreda would be sure to correct me so hard I couldn't sit for a month, much less speak without a giant lisp!

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

I apologize for my disrespect, I concede to your argument

Progress! You may achieve salvation yet.

[alannababe]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

I apologize for my disrespect, I concede to your argument

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Okay, here's some proof based on the Hebrew words describing Adam, Esau, and King David. Knowledge. Get some.

Wooow I'm gonna learn!!! Thanks!

First of all linguistically:

[Genesis 2:7] AND THE LORD GOD FORMED MAN [ha-ADaM] OF THE DUST OF THE GROUND [ha-ADaMaH], AND BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS THE BREATH OF LIFE; AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

The Hebrew word for man [Adam: Aleph-daleth- mem] is linked to the word for ground [Adamah: Aleph-daleth- mem-heh]. The Hebrew word for red is edom [Aleph-daleth-vav-mem] and it may be connected to the same root as the words for man and for ground or earth. On the other hand, Iben Shushan in his Hebrew Concordance of the Bible ("Concordantzia leTanach") says that the word "edom" meaning red derives from the same root as "dam" meaning blood, i.e. red like blood. At all events edom does not mean brown. In Hebrew the word for brown is "choom" from which we have the name "Ham" (Cham) son of Noah.

You know I have adressed this point in my previous post, don't you? The one before the one you have answered.
Adam comes from the dust of the ground, saying that he was red is stretch of interpretation.
Esau, in the other hand, had his nickname Edom and probably was redhaired. Guess what? He was hated by God for apparently no reason. God preferred Jacob, who was not red haired. And no, you have not proved that Esau had a soul.
A nickname is something that is given for a reason, sometimes physical, sometimes of character. A name is not.


As for Adam:


1) Do you know that there is a difference between having the same root and having the same meaning?
2) My first name means "protector of the realm". And I'm not protector of any realm.


So you have not proof that Adam was red haired, you are bordering heresy here.

"Admoni" according to the Concordance of Iben Shushan means inclined to red.
Both Esau and David were described as "admoni".

You are not quoting Jews, aren't you? You know they have killed Christ, and they refuse to accept half of the Bible, don't you?

Concerning the birth of Esau (who was later renamed Edom) it says:

[Genesis 25:25] AND THE FIRST CAME OUT RED [admoni], ALL OVER LIKE AN HAIRY GARMENT; AND THEY CALLED HIS NAME ESAU.

I have adressed the topic of Esau, in my earlier post and this same post. Case closed, no more questions your honour, the prosecution rests,

Regarding David:
[1-Samuel 16:12] AND HE SENT, AND BROUGHT HIM IN. NOW HE WAS RUDDY [admoni], AND WITHAL OF A BEAUTIFUL COUNTENANCE, AND GOODLY TO LOOK TO. AND THE LORD SAID, ARISE, ANOINT HIM: FOR THIS IS HE.

And again concerning David:
[1-Samuel 17:42] AND WHEN THE PHILISTINE [Goliath] LOOKED ABOUT, AND SAW DAVID, HE DISDAINED HIM: FOR HE WAS BUT A YOUTH, AND RUDDY [admoni], AND OF A FAIR COUNTENANCE.

We see that in one case (Gen.25:25) the King James Version translates the Hebrew "admoni" as red and in another two cases (1-Samuel 16:12, 17:42) it renders it as "ruddy" i.e. reddish. In Hebrew Literature you can find the word "admoni" used in all kinds of contexts but in the earliest examples it seems to mean someone who is red-haired. In Jewish popular tradition of both Ashkenazim and Sephardim it is generally accepted that David had red-hair. The word "admoni" usually means someone with red hair but in some cases it can also mean someone who is blond or blond inclined to red. It is often taken as synonymous with the Modern Hebrew slang word "gingi" (from ginger) meaning blond or red haired.

So the Jews are saying that David was red-haired. Surprise, surprise. You DO know that the Jews are damned and going to hell, don't you?

At all events concerning Esau and David even though one could perhaps conceivably interpret "admoni" to mean ruddy in complexion, red-haired would be the more likely explanation and moist consistent with the literal intent of Scripture....[read article here]

So he had ruddy cheeks. He was NOT red haired. No proof here.

Given that Adam and David had souls, all gingers have souls.

Given that you have not provided any proof for Adam and David being gingers, then your conclusion is a fallacy.


Don't be sad, I know it is sad to be rejected by God (I am in the same situation as adressed in my earlier post that you obviously did not read)
To start a path to salvation, maybe you can go to the introduction forum and tell us who you are, how did you come to know Jesus, and which Church do you go. I mean, following the rules of this forum for God's sake (literally God's sake)

[alannababe]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

I suggest you to make your own board, and there you can start any challenges you want. If you choose to stay here, please keep the topic, which is to prove that redheads have soul.

Okay, here's some proof based on the Hebrew words describing Adam, Esau, and King David. Knowledge. Get some.

First of all linguistically:

[Genesis 2:7] AND THE LORD GOD FORMED MAN [ha-ADaM] OF THE DUST OF THE GROUND [ha-ADaMaH], AND BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS THE BREATH OF LIFE; AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

The Hebrew word for man [Adam: Aleph-daleth- mem] is linked to the word for ground [Adamah: Aleph-daleth- mem-heh]. The Hebrew word for red is edom [Aleph-daleth-vav-mem] and it may be connected to the same root as the words for man and for ground or earth. On the other hand, Iben Shushan in his Hebrew Concordance of the Bible ("Concordantzia leTanach") says that the word "edom" meaning red derives from the same root as "dam" meaning blood, i.e. red like blood. At all events edom does not mean brown. In Hebrew the word for brown is "choom" from which we have the name "Ham" (Cham) son of Noah.

"Admoni" according to the Concordance of Iben Shushan means inclined to red.
Both Esau and David were described as "admoni".

Concerning the birth of Esau (who was later renamed Edom) it says:

[Genesis 25:25] AND THE FIRST CAME OUT RED [admoni], ALL OVER LIKE AN HAIRY GARMENT; AND THEY CALLED HIS NAME ESAU.

Regarding David:
[1-Samuel 16:12] AND HE SENT, AND BROUGHT HIM IN. NOW HE WAS RUDDY [admoni], AND WITHAL OF A BEAUTIFUL COUNTENANCE, AND GOODLY TO LOOK TO. AND THE LORD SAID, ARISE, ANOINT HIM: FOR THIS IS HE.

And again concerning David:
[1-Samuel 17:42] AND WHEN THE PHILISTINE [Goliath] LOOKED ABOUT, AND SAW DAVID, HE DISDAINED HIM: FOR HE WAS BUT A YOUTH, AND RUDDY [admoni], AND OF A FAIR COUNTENANCE.

We see that in one case (Gen.25:25) the King James Version translates the Hebrew "admoni" as red and in another two cases (1-Samuel 16:12, 17:42) it renders it as "ruddy" i.e. reddish. In Hebrew Literature you can find the word "admoni" used in all kinds of contexts but in the earliest examples it seems to mean someone who is red-haired. In Jewish popular tradition of both Ashkenazim and Sephardim it is generally accepted that David had red-hair. The word "admoni" usually means someone with red hair but in some cases it can also mean someone who is blond or blond inclined to red. It is often taken as synonymous with the Modern Hebrew slang word "gingi" (from ginger) meaning blond or red haired.

At all events concerning Esau and David even though one could perhaps conceivably interpret "admoni" to mean ruddy in complexion, red-haired would be the more likely explanation and moist consistent with the literal intent of Scripture....[read article here]


Given that Adam and David had souls, all gingers have souls.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Ah, so everyone else can make claims without evidentiary support but not me? Where in scripture does it say that redheads DON'T have souls? Where's your proof?

I suggest you to make your own board, and there you can start any challenges you want. If you choose to stay here, please keep the topic, which is to prove that redheads have soul.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Okay well given that God breathed life into the nostrils of Adam and the name "Adam" supposedly derives from the Hebrew word for "red" or "ruddy" suggesting that his hair was red. Therefore if God gave a soul to Adam then he gave souls to other redheads as well. King David was thought to have red hair, did he not have a soul either? And just to be clear, I am a devout Christian.

Dear, Adam comes from adama, meaning Earth. And Adam was made of earth. You are twisting the meaning to accomodate your own beliefs. I used to do that. I'm also almost sent to hell by God (I'm 1/16 injun, a mixbred) and I can give you an idea: read the Bible, and pray harder for Him to save you. He might or might not save you, and you will not know until you are death. The path to salvation is really narrow, and I don't want to give you false hopes. I don't have high hopes for me, neither.


Adom is the word for red stuff, and it is more likely that Edom, the nickname given to the hated Esau, comes from that word. You know, he wanted the red stuff, and traded his birth right for it.

[alannababe]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Claims need support. Scripture would be appropriate here.


Claim needs support. Find a reference for this.


Uh uh. I have a friend named "Tiny". He's 6'6". Your argument is irrelevant.


Unproven. See above.


Wow, that just no logics right off the scale.


Says who?


So?

Ah, so everyone else can make claims without evidentiary support but not me? Where in scripture does it say that redheads DON'T have souls? Where's your proof?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

Okay well given that God breathed life into the nostrils of Adam...

Claims need support. Scripture would be appropriate here.

...and the name "Adam" supposedly derives from the Hebrew word for "red" or "ruddy"...

Claim needs support. Find a reference for this.

...suggesting that his hair was red...

Uh uh. I have a friend named "Tiny". He's 6'6". Your argument is irrelevant.

...Therefore if God gave a soul to Adam...

Unproven. See above.

...then he gave souls to other redheads as well...

Wow, that just no logics right off the scale.

...King David was thought to have red hair...

Says who?

...And just to be clear, I am a devout Christian.

So?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

...Once I understand the type of "proof" you seek, I'll prove we do have souls.

Proof is or is not, and truth has nothing to do with whether you recognize it as such (especially as a completely anonymous new joiner).


That's why we're asking for evidence here (as the OP clearly states). So put up or shut up. Four years I've been waiting for anyone to offer more than their precious "feelings" (everyone go "oooh!" ).


Don't disappoint me!

[alannababe]

Re: Prove that gingers have souls!

This site is all about the Bible. Why do you want us to do? This is not a science forum, you know? Even though here I have found the best creation scientist ever.


The only proof that matters here is in the Bible, and here you have a piece:


Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



But this thread is open, so atheist can show proof about gingers having souls not from the Bible. It is your opportunity. And I am really curious about how you can prove it!


Other guys, with more experience and knowledge in the Bible than me are going to come here. Keep your mind open and listen to them and you could find salvation.

Okay well given that God breathed life into the nostrils of Adam and the name "Adam" supposedly derives from the Hebrew word for "red" or "ruddy" suggesting that his hair was red. Therefore if God gave a soul to Adam then he gave souls to other redheads as well. King David was thought to have red hair, did he not have a soul either? And just to be clear, I am a devout Christian.