An easy way to tell True Christians™ from liberal false Christians

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

People who follow discussions on Christianity may wonder who is arguing from a True Christian™ perspective and who is arguing from a pseudo-Christian, fluffy-bunny perspective. There is an easy way to tell the two apart, namely, the completely different approaches that the two take to the Bible.

True Christians™ approach God's Word with no preconceived notions of what God meant to say. We read Bible teachings in the context in which they appear and also in the context of the entire Bible, which, being God's Perfect Word, never contradicts itself. We read them for their literal meaning unless they are clearly identified as parables or the like. In short, we have enough faith in the Lord that we trust Him to get His point across.

By contrast, liberal false Christians start the analysis with their own personal opinions of what God should want. They pick and choose Bible verses, or even fragments of Bible verses, that, when taken out of context, appear to back up those personal opinions. They often have to "interpret" those verses beyond recognition to make them fit. When a True Christian™ quotes another Bible verse that refutes their "interpretation," they answer with that all-purpose scathing rebuttal known as "La la la, I can't hear you." In short, they imagine that they know what God wants than better He does.

That assumes that liberal false Christians even bother to quote the Bible at all. They may ask rhetorically, "Doesn't the Bible say ...?", in which case the answer is almost always "No." Alternatively, they may assert that God whispers into their ears, giving them special revelations denied to the rest of us.

The next time you encounter a thread in which members of this church discuss Scripture with others, please bear the above in mind. You will soon see who is proclaiming God's Truth and who is parroting the devil's lies.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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That's deep reading, Pastor. I need to study it some more.

As I understand it, it would be like when the false Christians say, "One of the 10 Commandments says, 'Thou shalt not kill'. This means we should be against the death penalty."

That, when we know God wants criminals and many others killed. I hope I'm understanding you correctly.

[James Hutchins]

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God wants everyone dead.
It comes down to a matter of who gets to go to Heaven and who is tossed into the fires of Hell. That is where the Bible comes in. By following it EXACTLY, you will go to Heaven. It is when a person deviates from His Word, that they begin on that slippery sloe greased by the jisim of Satan.

[BelieverInGod]

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Amen Pastor

How many atheists walked away because they knew they weren't hearing the True Word of God? There were very few atheists around back in the days of the so-called "hell-fire preachers". Is that because the True Word of God was being spread from the pulpit?

My test is simple, find something that you consider "offensive" and take it to your "pastor" if he starts stammering, then he's a false prophet. If your "pastor" is a she, that's a dead give away that she doesn't follow the Bible.

[Rev. Waynetta Kerr]

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I'm as Christian as you. This sort of talk is just divisive and wrong. God loves all of us and all we need to do is accept Jesus and live a good life. Some of the things in the bible are a bit messed up because people didn't know any better back then. We're more in tune with Jesus now than we ever were and closer to His real message of love and kindness, that's all.

[Darren Ingram-Myers]

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I'm as Christian as you. This sort of talk is just divisive and wrong. God loves all of us and all we need to do is accept Jesus and live a good life. Some of the things in the bible are a bit messed up because people didn't know any better back then. We're more in tune with Jesus now than we ever were and closer to His real message of love and kindness, that's all.

It's nice to see someone here who understands that one can be a Christian without being a fundie. The big problem with the way in which Landover Baptist Church engages the text is the assumption that they can objectively know what it means. There is no objective knowledge; postmodernism has conclusively proved that. Therefore, what the Bible means is what it means to each of us individually, in accordance with the inner light given to each of us by Mother/Father God.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I'm as Christian as you.

According to what authority? Certainly not the LORD, through His Word.

This sort of talk is just divisive and wrong.

No. This sort of talk is instrumental in teaching the very Word of God as opposed to teaching the clap-trap found in the watered-down theology that encourages homosexuality, bestiality, and autism.

God loves all of us

Wrong.

and all we need to do is accept Jesus and live a good life.

Wrong.

Some of the things in the bible are a bit messed up because people didn't know any better back then. We're more in tune with Jesus now than we ever were and closer to His real message of love and kindness, that's all.

Wrong. Not only can we take the Bible literally, but we must take the Bible literally. This is the only way to determine what God really is trying to communicate to us. When we read any piece of literature, but especially the Bible, we must determine what the author intended to communicate. Many today will read a verse or passage of Scripture and then give their own definitions to the words, phrases, or paragraphs, ignoring the context and author’s intent. But this is not what God intended, which is why God tells us to correctly handle the Word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation. As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament. If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:13, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did.

The disciples also took the commands of Christ (which are part of the Bible) literally. Jesus commanded the disciples to go and make more disciples in Matthew 28:19-20. In Acts 2 and following, we find that the disciples took Jesus' command literally and went throughout the known world of that time preaching the gospel of Christ and telling them to "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved..." (Acts 16:31). Just as the disciples took Jesus’ words literally, so must we. How else can we be sure of our salvation if we do not believe Him when He says He came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10), pay the penalty for our sin (Matthew 26:28), and provide eternal life (John 6:54)?

Finally, when you make yourself the final arbiter of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, you elevate yourself above God. Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of a biblical event or truth is any more or less valid than another’s? With some 40,000 false denominations, it is clear the LORD knew beforehand the power of man's hubris in pretending he knows better than God what God means to say.

The Bible is God’s Word to us and He meant it to be believed—literally and completely.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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blah blah blah[ yadda yadda yadda Mother/Father God.

Whoa there, Paco!



Come again?

Where in the Holy Bible do you read "Mother God"?

This isn't a pagan dope-circle-gathering, here, dear. This forum exists to praise the LORD Jesus in all HIS Glory.



<--- Very Masculine, despite the dress-looking tunic depicted in historical art

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Finally, when you make yourself the final arbiter of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, you elevate yourself above God. Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of a biblical event or truth is any more or less valid than another’s? With some 40,000 false denominations, it is clear the LORD knew beforehand the power of man's hubris in pretending he knows better than God what God means to say.

Exactly. When you cherry-pick and "interpret" Bible passages, your ultimate arbiter of faith is not the Bible itself, but your standard for cherry-picking and "interpreting," which is based on your own wishful thinking about what God meant to say.

[johnsmith111]

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What is considered the "word" of God ? Jesus himself or the Bible

Do True Christians follow the Bible or do they follow Jesus himself through the Holy Spirit ?

I can read the Bible and understand it, why would I have to read it over and over again ?

[johnsmith111]

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I watch this guy on the internet called finalcall07 www.finalcall07.com

Does this man preach the truth? I hear people say he preaches a works salvation and some others who claim he says the Bible is poison.

Is finalcall07 preaching the truth because he told me I need a personal spiritual relationship with Jesus where Jesus guides me through my spirit into what he wants me to do and I need to work in his kingdom. He said the Bible will not get you into Heaven but rather Jesus personally knowing who you are.

You being so called "True Christians" can you tell me the true "mechanics" of this whole Christianity because I am a lost clown who needs enlightment on the steps to take.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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What is considered the "word" of God ? Jesus himself or the Bible

Son I know it sounds confusing to your mind, but Jesus IS the Word of God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
John 1:14

In this way, obedience to the Word of God IS Obedience to Jesus!

Do True Christians follow the Bible or do they follow Jesus himself through the Holy Spirit ?

Yes and YES!

I can read the Bible and understand it, why would I have to read it over and over again ?

Because, dear, not everyone is so blessed to have it memorized like Pastor Zeke.

[johnsmith111]

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So how does a Christian make sure they will avoid hell. This is what I know so far

1) Must not sin 1 time, live 100% holy with no slip ups

2) Read the Bible

3) Pray constantly to Jesus

4) Work for Jesus by doing what he tells you to do through revelation, avoid laziness but work in his kingdom

am I missing anything here or am I wrong on anything ?

I am confused on #4, must one work for the kingdom of god to be saved ?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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I'm as Christian as you.

Rubbish. You are a contemptible conquistador of quim.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

You are as far away from what being Christian really means that I don't even know if you are actually there.

YIC

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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There is no objective knowledge; postmodernism has conclusively proved.

Typical Obscurantistical donkey poop. I suppose you want us to burn our Bibles, too?

You need to to think long and hard about bandying words like post modernism around, mister

You may not remember the book burnings but many people I know do and they don't think defining concepts out of existance is any better than child abuse.

So called post modernism is nothing more than the armchair musing of frustrated failed middle class, mediocre navel gazers.

How can an intellectual movement that refuses to engage actively in the real world by making a firm stand on reality possibly prove anything?

Do you actually read what you write? I suppose next you will be saying that God is a social construct dependent on the economic climate it is fostered in? Or that being gay is not a real threat to humanity but simply an expression of same sex alliances functionally used to strengthen intra family sub alpha bonding?

I really don't see what point you are trying to make but that comes as no suprise to me, coming as it does from a so called Post Modernist.

YIC