[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Is this church for real?
You are not supposed to cast stones at others...your threats of death to other writers and name-calling are immature and the exact opposite of what God wants.
Your church appears to be more of an occult than a loving, group of people fellowshipping..
Also, it appears that one of your pictures shows you wearing robes and hoods burning a cross...Are you all members of the KKK?
Is this church a cover for one sided, simple minded sect of haters?
I want one of the pastors of the church to read this...and answer me.

Why can't a woman wear a tampon? ....Are the minds of your church leaders that perverted that you see filth and temptation in the simpleness of a cartoon such as Toy Story II and a simple act of a woman trying to keep her period contained with a tampon?
Where in the bible does it say not to where a tampon?
Where in the bible does it say to cast stones and be hateful of others who do not believe?
Jesus loved sinners and his acceptance and non-judgement is what lead the sinners to right path..(Mary Magdalene)
It seems that the Wiccan is closer to the light than your hateful, one sided minds..
I feel sorry for you, because as you think you are closer to the light than anyone else...I see no difference between you and the Satanist with the orgies...at least he has the nerve to be honest with who he is ...because if I am correct, he who casts the stone (such as your church ) is the one behind the scenes doing the most immoral...I would probably guess some of your church goers and church leaders are right now logging in to some pornographic website or at a hotel having an affair, or in a secret gay relationship, or beating a spouse, or some other offense that you so openly speak against.
You are a hateful, hateful group of people, and I feel extremely sorry for you and hope you all find your way...
May God have mercy on your soul, because the rest of us human beings have no patience for your intolerance and hatred.

We follow the Holy Bible, word for word. What do you follow? Karl Marx? Anton LeVay? Satan maybe?

The Bible tells us that we are to judge unsaved scum like you. Carrying out God's Will is not hateful in any way. Or are you accusing God of being hateful? Just because He temporarily killed His only begotten son, that makes Him an evil God? Is that what you think?

Feel free to quote the scripture we've gotten wrong. In context.

[Godshelper]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Is this church for real?
You are not supposed to cast stones at others...your threats of death to other writers and name-calling are immature and the exact opposite of what God wants.
Your church appears to be more of an occult than a loving, group of people fellowshipping..
Also, it appears that one of your pictures shows you wearing robes and hoods burning a cross...Are you all members of the KKK?
Is this church a cover for one sided, simple minded sect of haters?
I want one of the pastors of the church to read this...and answer me.

Why can't a woman wear a tampon? ....Are the minds of your church leaders that perverted that you see filth and temptation in the simpleness of a cartoon such as Toy Story II and a simple act of a woman trying to keep her period contained with a tampon?
Where in the bible does it say not to where a tampon?
Where in the bible does it say to cast stones and be hateful of others who do not believe?
Jesus loved sinners and his acceptance and non-judgement is what lead the sinners to right path..(Mary Magdalene)
It seems that the Wiccan is closer to the light than your hateful, one sided minds..
I feel sorry for you, because as you think you are closer to the light than anyone else...I see no difference between you and the Satanist with the orgies...at least he has the nerve to be honest with who he is ...because if I am correct, he who casts the stone (such as your church ) is the one behind the scenes doing the most immoral...I would probably guess some of your church goers and church leaders are right now logging in to some pornographic website or at a hotel having an affair, or in a secret gay relationship, or beating a spouse, or some other offense that you so openly speak against.
You are a hateful, hateful group of people, and I feel extremely sorry for you and hope you all find your way...
May God have mercy on your soul, because the rest of us human beings have no patience for your intolerance and hatred.

[JennyD]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I was raised by my father, who is a full fledged christian mind you, to fully accept everybody, no matter their skin tone, no matter their attitude, and no matter their religion...because he's always told me that this is what a true christian should do. A true christian should embrace the world with open arms and help their fellow human being, not insult others religions and bring them down because they have different beliefs...I've even been told this by a pastor.

Then you were lied to. Why don't you read the Bible for yourself, instead of letting a "pastor" who only wants to say what you want to hear, so you keep coming back and putting dollars in the plate, spoon-feed you this pabulum?

It's alright that you don't accept different religions because they are "evil" in your eyes...but you don't have to hate the people that are in them. You don't have to tell them that they are going to burn in hell...I mean...after all...think about what Jesus would do if he saw the way that you guys are shunning others. In my own opinion, Jesus didn't want for us to hate on other people just because of their religion and to harshly try to convert them...he wanted us to embrace them...befriend them...and ever so gently try to get to them understand and come towards christianity, am I right?

No. You are wrong.

If we do not tell people that they are going to Hell, we are LYING to them.

Christianity is not "gentle", and God will not be "gentle" when He casts Wiccans, Catholics, Muslims, Atheists, Pastafarians, and anyone else who does not follow ALL of His commandments into eternal torture.

What sort of sick monsters do you want us to be, that we would stand by and let that happen to a fellow human being?

Hmm...I suppose that your response would make sense considering how deeply you are into this religion...

"Deeply into this religion"? Either you ARE Christian, or you are NOT Christian. You either follow EVERYTHING, or you are Hellbound. There is no part-way.

I do have a question for you though...it is said in the bible that god doesn't hate anybody, or so I was taught a short while ago...and so, the thing that comes to my mind is this: Why is it that god can hate a "witch" who is a human being...but not just a normal human being who has sinned immensely?

God hates witches AND all other sorts of sinners. He cannot tolerate sin of any sort.

Who lied to you and said God hates nobody? The Bible says the opposite, quite clearly. Try reading it.

uhmmm excuse me but my father did not lie to me or my sister...yes adellia is my sister abnd i hapen to kno for a fact that god hates the sin not the sinner...i do not have any scripture to prove it at the moment as i do not have my bible handy...

Then look it up. www.biblegateway.com.

i kno that is states in the bible....once again scripture not avalable....that god hates the sin and not the sinner...

Again, look it up. Prove it.

let me ask u this if u truely believe that god hates the sinner than where is u house located???? unless u live in a plastic bubble and have never come out and never left the one spot u parked it u have sinned..so i pretty much the point was to tell u that u r a sinner as well....that being said u r saying..well I am saying that god hates u and ur church as well...shall u all live a miserable life in hell......

Really? But you just said that God hates the sin, not the sinner. Now, you say that God hates us for following His Laws.

Make up your mind, simpleton.

yes i kno i will go to hell....in ur eyes...i have done many bad things but i have also asked for the lords forgiveness and recieved it....on more than one occasion..

Well, at least the first phrase here is correct. You WILL go to Hell.

You see, if you were truly Saved©, you would not continually be asking for forgiveness. You CHOOSE to sin because you love yourself more than you love Jesus. You are not committed to Him, and you will find yourself in Hell as a result.

Have fun, Binaca.

[zincaca]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

You are wrong. Dead wrong. God hates witches. Your father lied to you.

Take a look at THIS.



How old are you little girl? does your hellbound father know you're in God's favorite forum?

uhmmm excuse me but my father did not lie to me or my sister...yes adellia is my sister abnd i hapen to kno for a fact that god hates the sin not the sinner...i do not have any scripture to prove it at the moment as i do not have my bible handy...or the scripts memorized.....i kno this for sure because noone on this planet...including u and ur church members..is perfect....and i kno that is states in the bible....once again scripture not avalable....that god hates the sin and not the sinner...let me ask u this if u truely believe that god hates the sinner than where is u house located???? unless u live in a plastic bubble and have never come out and never left the one spot u parked it u have sinned..so i pretty much the point was to tell u that u r a sinner as well....that being said u r saying..well I am saying that god hates u and ur church as well...shall u all live a miserable life in hell......

yes i kno i will go to hell....in ur eyes...i have done many bad things but i have also asked for the lords forgiveness and recieved it....on more than one occasion..

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Hmm...then I suppose that I was lied to by my pastor in Texas...then again...I was only 12. I don't rightfully know why he would say that to me though...nor do I know why the pastor at my christian school would do that O.O

Hmm? I wasn't trying to give you the "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...I don't think that I ever said that O.o I'm sorry if it came across that way >.<

Hmm...well...I suppose that it would be impolite not to answer your question...so I'll tell you. I am 16 years old...why are you wondering, if you don't mind my asking?

Also, I would like to know your age please...it only seems polite that I know yours since you now know mine.

I just had a birthday, and my age can be seen in my profile.

Unfortunatly you lied about your age. Come back when you turn 18, if Jesus doesn't kill you first.

[Adillea]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Where does it say that God doesn't hate anyone in the Bible? I'm unfamiliar with that verse.

I do know a few that say quite the contrary.

God doesn't love everybody:



And don't give me any "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...



How old are you girl? Answer.

Hmm...then I suppose that I was lied to by my pastor in Texas...then again...I was only 12. I don't rightfully know why he would say that to me though...nor do I know why the pastor at my christian school would do that O.O

Hmm? I wasn't trying to give you the "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...I don't think that I ever said that O.o I'm sorry if it came across that way >.<

Hmm...well...I suppose that it would be impolite not to answer your question...so I'll tell you. I am 16 years old...why are you wondering, if you don't mind my asking?

Also, I would like to know your age please...it only seems polite that I know yours since you now know mine.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Hmm...I suppose that your response would make sense considering how deeply you are into this religion...and that is plenty alright with me. I probably would have said the same thing a few years ago...but now I disagree.

I do have a question for you though...it is said in the bible that god doesn't hate anybody, or so I was taught a short while ago...and so, the thing that comes to my mind is this: Why is it that god can hate a "witch" who is a human being...but not just a normal human being who has sinned immensely?

I'm not trying to offend you or anything like that, so I'm sorry if anything that I say to you seems rude or offensive in any way, shape, or form...I'm just a very curious person >.<

Where does it say that God doesn't hate anyone in the Bible? I'm unfamiliar with that verse.

I do know a few that say quite the contrary.

God doesn't love everybody:

Proverbs 6
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

And don't give me any "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...

Matthew 13
[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

How old are you girl? Answer.

[Adillea]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

You are wrong. Dead wrong. God hates witches. Your father lied to you.

Take a look at THIS.



How old are you little girl? does your hellbound father know you're in God's favorite forum?

Hmm...I suppose that your response would make sense considering how deeply you are into this religion...and that is plenty alright with me. I probably would have said the same thing a few years ago...but now I disagree.

I do have a question for you though...it is said in the bible that god doesn't hate anybody, or so I was taught a short while ago...and so, the thing that comes to my mind is this: Why is it that god can hate a "witch" who is a human being...but not just a normal human being who has sinned immensely?

I'm not trying to offend you or anything like that, so I'm sorry if anything that I say to you seems rude or offensive in any way, shape, or form...I'm just a very curious person >.<

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I was raised by my father, who is a full fledged christian mind you, to fully accept everybody, no matter their skin tone, no matter their attitude, and no matter their religion...because he's always told me that this is what a true christian should do. A true christian should embrace the world with open arms and help their fellow human being, not insult others religions and bring them down because they have different beliefs...I've even been told this by a pastor.

It's alright that you don't accept different religions because they are "evil" in your eyes...but you don't have to hate the people that are in them. You don't have to tell them that they are going to burn in hell...I mean...after all...think about what Jesus would do if he saw the way that you guys are shunning others. In my own opinion, Jesus didn't want for us to hate on other people just because of their religion and to harshly try to convert them...he wanted us to embrace them...befriend them...and ever so gently try to get to them understand and come towards christianity, am I right?

You are wrong. Dead wrong. God hates witches. Your father lied to you.

Take a look at THIS.

If you are a Muslim, Catholic, Pagan, or other non-Christian, and you are here for some interfaith dialog, then this section is for you.

Welcome, friend. If you are here in a spirit of peace and wish to learn more about our religion, and want to teach us more about your religion, then you are welcome here. If you are here because you think we are intolerant of your religion, then please go back and read the previous section.

Keep in mind, however, that most of us are well educated. If your religion has been around for a while and has a large enough following, then it is likely that we have already studied your religion in depth.

Also keep in mind, that our religion tells us that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ, and that if you aren't a Christian, then you will be damned to the fiery pits of Hell for all eternity. We aren't gloating about this. We treat this fact with all of the solemnity that it deserves. We will not give up on you until we have saved you from this fate.

How old are you little girl? does your hellbound father know you're in God's favorite forum?

[Adillea]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I was raised by my father, who is a full fledged christian mind you, to fully accept everybody, no matter their skin tone, no matter their attitude, and no matter their religion...because he's always told me that this is what a true christian should do. A true christian should embrace the world with open arms and help their fellow human being, not insult others religions and bring them down because they have different beliefs...I've even been told this by a pastor.

It's alright that you don't accept different religions because they are "evil" in your eyes...but you don't have to hate the people that are in them. You don't have to tell them that they are going to burn in hell...I mean...after all...think about what Jesus would do if he saw the way that you guys are shunning others. In my own opinion, Jesus didn't want for us to hate on other people just because of their religion and to harshly try to convert them...he wanted us to embrace them...befriend them...and ever so gently try to get to them understand and come towards christianity, am I right?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Maybe you misunderstood what I posted, as for that I cannot be sure. I never once said I followed it, merely that I have studied it. [...]

... and therein lieth the problem! It is not at all necessary to study shoving your hand in the fire to know that it is going to hurt.

All these stupid idiots walking around the world saying that their route to Salvation is the only one, and making you a zombie instead of a thinking, reasoning man, get my goat!

Look on it this way, God is right, everything else is the work of Satan. Now that was simple wasn't it?

Now that is your first step on the way to True Salvation.

Carry on!

[dingo minors]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

Maybe you misunderstood what I posted, as for that I cannot be sure. I never once said I followed it, merely that I have studied it. People fear what they do not understand, so I try to understand as much as possible, whether or not I follow that path or not- understanding where the person is coming from, and following the same path are completely different. I was merely saying what the religion consists of, not whether or not any of it worked. As for passing, hey you seem like a pretty critical teacher, as such, I thank the high enough marks in which I did receive, as well as you explaining what I needed to explain on and branch off of more. After all, without criticism, one cannot grow, can they?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

*sigh* Do you really have any idea what paganism is? I have studied many religions, as such, I actually know WHAT the religion deals with, and don't make things up about it. The main principle in wicca is "as long as it harms none, do what ye will." Or "out of love that harms none, do what ye will." That doesn't sound malicious, it sounds rather loving to me. Thats just my opinion, agree or disagree. I believe that I can give you information, if you wish, that says the same thing about wicca. That little saying, one of the foundations of wicca, is known as the wiccan rede- look it up anywhere, even wikipedia has information on it.

I respect your politeness and literacy, but the sad fact is that wiccans are servants of Satan, and thus they are prone to lying through their rotting teeth. Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but that doesn't make the Islamofascist jihadists any less violent than the wiccanofascist ones.

According to christianity, it is impossible to be "saved" in the terminology in which you used it in without accepting christ as your lord and savior.

Correct. So why not accept Him today? You seem like a reasonably intelligent young man, why would you choose eternal Hellfire? It just doesn't make any sense.

They do not try to recruit others to their religion, they let the people seek their own path accepting that many people have different beliefs in what is true to them.

Truth is not subjective. From where I'm standing, wicker is a bunch of incoherent Satanic nonsense. Clearly, if I'm right, then all wiccan scum are wrong, and vice versa.

Now then, I myself cannot say whether he is delusional or not, I am merely here to teach, to enlighten, and to give insight and truth.

Good intentions, but don't you need to know what the truth is before you can share it? If you believe that any nonsense that happens to pass through a pagan's addled head is somehow "true", then you won't be much use to Jesus or the Truth.

Anyways, I agree it did give them confidence. Whether the spells worked or not isn't important. What is important is that the people believed they worked, giving them confidence, so in that way, yes it did indeed give them confidence.

I disagree very strongly indeed. Whether the spells work or not is very important indeed. If I tell someone they can fly, and they leap out the window as a result, their confidence is not the important issue, the important issue is whether or not the flying spell works.

Now then, a little bit more info. I do not wish to offend anyone within this website. I respect your right to belief, and I realize that I am the one visiting YOUR website. As such, I try my best not to offend anyone here. I wish merely to tell you the truth, without any lies and be unbiased about it.

Praise Jesus! That's exactly what we're here to do as well.

Thus I look upon the incomplete answers and, from what I see, Wicca is not worthy of being a religion or belief system. It is no more or less than stamp collecting.

As far as I know, Our Lord has never damned anyone to Hell for collecting stamps. I could be wrong, though.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

I am obliged for your answers:

(a)"Wicker is nothing more than a social club for those who want to dance around naked and sacrifice babies" - discuss. (20%)

While it is true that some Wiccans are known for dancing around naked, […]. They do not sacrifice babies, […] That goes against Wicca. Now, then, I'm sure there are some that are a little insane and do harm people, but like I said prior, they have that in every religion, don't they?

Marks for the answer = 12% (You did not address the “social club” aspect.)

Christianity demands that no one at all goes around naked (Levticus etc.). It also requires a belief in the possibility that the Christian may at some stage be required to sacrifice a child
J'g:11:31: Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.J'g:11:34: And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

and (under other circumstances) to eat one;

De:28:53: And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

(b)Wicker neither promises Salvation nor attempts to save others and is therefore pointless.(20%)

Oh, I agree with you […] that they do not save others, or do not offer salvation, […] They don't save others, either. They do not try to recruit others to their religion, they let the people seek their own path accepting that many people have different beliefs in what is true to them. They allow the person to choose their own beliefs. Now then, as for the salvation, they believe they do not need salvation in the church's eyes, because a wiccan or pagan does not follow the bible.

Marks for the answer = 9% (You did not address the issue of pointlessness.) A Christian is required to spread the Word. Those who accept and abide by the Word may be saved. The beliefs are strictly The Bible KJV1611 nothing more, nothing less. To hold also to another (or false Christian) faith is damnation.

(c ) the best you can hope for in Wicker is to come back as a poison ivy bush.(10%)

That is also only partially correct, but has some truth in it. Most do believe in some sort of reincarnation system, but most systems are different. Some believe beings can come back as plants, or animals, and others believe that they will only come back as another human. Yes, you are indeed partially correct, and as such, I give you kudos for that. They do generally believe in some form of reincarnation, although not always that they will reincarnate forever. So, it's not just a poison ivy bush, but possibly animals, and Humans, depending on their beliefs.

Marks for the answer = 9% (answer a little general and vague.) Christians believe that as Man is the only Creation with a soul*, only he will reach heaven – our time on earth is for accepting the faith, reproducing, having dominion over the earth and preparation for the life eternal hereafter.
(*there is some theological debate as to whether women have souls.)

(d)Wicker was invented in 1954 by a money-grubbing delusional Gerald Gardner and is a complete confidence trick for the gullible middle classes - discuss.(50%)

I agree. You probably didn't expect that, did you?

I am here to mark, nothing Unsaved Trash does surprises me any longer

[…]In your saying- it could not be both for money and him being delusional.

Never underestimate a madman’s power to convince the gullible

If he is indeed delusional, then he believed it, and wanted to share it with the world and it wasn't for money.

Speak to his accountant if he is still around and the publishing houses that deal with his works.

[…] I cannot say whether he is delusional or not, I am merely here to teach, to enlighten, and to give insight and truth.

No, you’re here to listen to the Faith of a True Christian community and have any contrary beliefs destroyed.
De:6:14: Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
De:7:4: For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

Whether the spells worked or not isn't important. What is important is that the people believed they worked, giving them confidence, so in that way, yes it did indeed give them confidence.

Marks for the answer = 34% (Disappointment that you failed to demonstrate that starting lunatic stories is no bar to power and wealth.)

Total marks = 64% - a fail I’m afraid, without the opportunity for a resit. Nevertheless, I thank you for taking the time to answer.

Thus I look upon the incomplete answers and, from what I see, Wicca is not worthy of being a religion or belief system. It is no more or less than stamp collecting. There is no need to bother with any mysteries or supreme beings and anyone can believe what they want without any certainty that anything will happen whether you believe it or not.

Without a shadow of a doubt, Wicca is therefore nonsense and people should really know better than to waste their time on such rubbish – why not take up photography and capture the beauty of the creation, or creative writing and amuse and educate others in ways of the world, or enter commerce and create wealth for the community? Why not study the serious subjects that man’s lot might be increased? (e.g. A Loving and Merciful God, as per KJV1611)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Wicca is nonsense

The only opinion that matters is God's. And He has clearly expressed Himself in the pages of the KJV1611 Bible.

That's good enough for me.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.