[Tantheus]

Re: About Wicca.

To Tantheus, instead of ranting and raving about a bunch of dead guys, why not point out to these folk that pretty much their whole NT is taken and twisted from various forms of paganism? Even their holy days are stolen from pagan beliefs, something done to make it easier to convert people living in ancient times. Their entire book is stolen, the OT from the Jewish texts (and note, not one part of the OT mentions jeebuz at all).

You'd be better off reminding them of those things.....because those things are definitely true.

FOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!! First you need to understand what Wicca is and what Paganism is; Wicca is just an Anglo-Saxon tradition of Paganism. A person can be Wicca and still be Pagan (in fact poeple who follow the Wiccan tradition are Pagans anyway). Celtic drudism is a tradition of Paganism with EXTREMLEY similair principles, except they've just excluded the sacrifices, and since all traditions are parts Paganism, we have taken nothing from the traditional Celtic form of Paganism. It was the Christians that hi-jacked the Pagan holy days; they turned Halloween (the day of the opening of the portal to the land of Pagan nature spirits who are NOT [SIZE=2]demons) and they made it Satans birthday whihc is why children dress as monsters on the day. They also hi-jacked the winter solciste (21st of December. The day celebrating the appearance of the new moon) and turned it into Christians. Here's a refference for it: [demonic link deleted]
We also do not have a holy book, just a centre rule which tells us to do as we wish as long as we harm no one. Paganism was around before Judaism so it's impossible that we could steal it (and if you demand evidence so much then I'd like to see a some evidence for us stealing things from Jewish text!) So I'll say that your comment definetley ISN'T true.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: About Wicca.

To Tantheus, instead of ranting and raving about a bunch of dead guys, why not point out to these folk that pretty much their whole NT is taken and twisted from various forms of paganism? Even their holy days are stolen from pagan beliefs, something done to make it easier to convert people living in ancient times. Their entire book is stolen, the OT from the Jewish texts (and note, not one part of the OT mentions jeebuz at all).

You'd be better off reminding them of those things.....because those things are definitely true.

Yes Tantalus, do that so we can bite your legs some more...

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: About Wicca.

To Tantheus, instead of ranting and raving about a bunch of dead guys, why not point out to these folk that pretty much their whole NT is taken and twisted from various forms of paganism? Even their holy days are stolen from pagan beliefs, something done to make it easier to convert people living in ancient times. Their entire book is stolen, the OT from the Jewish texts (and note, not one part of the OT mentions jeebuz at all).

You'd be better off reminding them of those things.....because those things are definitely true.

[Nobar King]

Re: About Wicca.

Not just a book

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

It may say "Many believe" on the page of Alexander Saunders, but it did say that Alexander Saunders was the leader and did do the blending, not Sanders who was born somewhat 500 years later!

I quoted what it said. It does NOT say Sanders "did the blending" 500 years ago.

Show me another reference. A real one.

Thank you.

[Tantheus]

Re: About Wicca.

YOU take a look around, fool, I do not wish to continue this futile debate! Catholicism may have certain roots of Celtic and Roman Paganism, but they also worship the same God as you do because it is in the same religion. You they're in league with devil worshippers and always have been, but take a look at this site on the Spanish inquisition: *pornography deleted* everybody knows that they tried to seek out devil worshippers and kill them, so if they were in league with Judaism and Islam (because according to you they worship the devil), why would they try to erradicate them from Spain?!
I did say that anybody can contribute to wikipedia, so if you're using that to try to weaken my wikipedia evidence, then perhaps your previous wikipedia page was Christians trying to frame Paganism.
It may say "Many believe" on the page of Alexander Saunders, but it did say that Alexander Saunders was the leader and did do the blending, not Sanders who was born somewhat 500 years later!
The Celtic druids did use some sacrifice, but as it said on Wikipedia, neo-druidism has been introduced with VERY similair principles except we do not use sacrifices anymore. In fact, if you look on the site that had Alexander Saunders in it and click on their grimoire you'll find the spells they have their and see that they are not at all evil.
And as for the horned God and your God, my God is not a demon and just as good as your God. But leave it to you to find out that you can't base your entire life on a book.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

Well this has now turned from being sent by a high Pagan order to honour the God and Goddess to a virtual battle of evidence and logic. Catholocism is NOT the same as Roman Paganism with a a refference to Jesus thrown in. When Jesus died, Orthodox Christianity and Catholocismwas invented by Jesus's disciples and spread across Europe. Catholocism (and Orthodox Christianity) has VERY vague roots of Roman Paganism because when Caeser invaded Britain and Gaul, Roman Paganism blended in with Celtic Paganism which then soon blended in with Catholocism.

You can't even SPELL "Catholicism" and expect us to take YOUR word (with no references) on what it is?

Take a look around this board, and you will learn that Catholicism is truly paganism.

I'll prove that druids were ovates and bards, not savage devil worshippers: www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druids

I believe it was you who said that using Wikipedia as a reference was like copying someone else's homework, because ANYONE can edit it, even pagan-wannabes making up lies.

it does explain that they did use some sacrifice,

Which is what I said.

but druidism these days is now called Neo-druidism.

And is a made-up play religion. It's not Druidism.

As for Pagan Lord Alexander Saunders, I do do mean Alexander Saunders and not Sanders, Alexander Sanders and Gerald Gardnerian popularised the Alexandrian traddition (which was craeted by Alexander Saunders) but created the Gardnerian traddition (which was indeed created in 1951) here's a site that explains that Alexander Saunders created the Alexandrian tradition: www.PaganLore.com/paths.aspx (if that's blocked it's not my fault).

Any historical references on that, or just someone's made-up tale?

This is all it says, twit:

Although not exactly a Celtic tradition, many Celtic paths today use words and expressions which reflect the Kabbalistic influence of this Pagan tradition. It's founder, Alexander Saunders, was a Pagan leader who successfully blended Kabbalistic practice with Anglo-Celtic Pagan practice. Many people believe that this blending first began in the later 1400s when Moors, Jews, Pagans , and other non-Catholics fled the Spanish Inquisition. Many of these people came to thte west of Ireland, then the end of the known world, to to hide and begin a new life. The book, Secrets os a Witches' Coven, By Morwyn, outlines the basic teachings of this tradtion.

Saying the idea of blending began in the 1400s ("many believe") is not saying Alex SANDERS did it in the 1400s.

Now, find us a real reference or give up your lies and pretense to history.

You still call the horned God a demon? Read the WHOLE of wikipedia page and you'll see that they did not worship demons and that Caeser's report on them being 'Barbarian philosophers' was because of the revolts the Celts launched on the Romans.

Yes. Any creature being worshipped which is not God is either imaginary or a demon by default.

[Tantheus]

Re: About Wicca.

Well this has now turned from being sent by a high Pagan order to honour the God and Goddess to a virtual battle of evidence and logic. Catholocism is NOT the same as Roman Paganism with a a refference to Jesus thrown in. When Jesus died, Orthodox Christianity and Catholocismwas invented by Jesus's disciples and spread across Europe. Catholocism (and Orthodox Christianity) has VERY vague roots of Roman Paganism because when Caeser invaded Britain and Gaul, Roman Paganism blended in with Celtic Paganism which then soon blended in with Catholocism.
I'll prove that druids were ovates and bards, not savage devil worshippers: www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druids it does explain that they did use some sacrifice, but druidism these days is now called Neo-druidism.
As for Pagan Lord Alexander Saunders, I do do mean Alexander Saunders and not Sanders, Alexander Sanders and Gerald Gardnerian popularised the Alexandrian traddition (which was craeted by Alexander Saunders) but created the Gardnerian traddition (which was indeed created in 1951) here's a site that explains that Alexander Saunders created the Alexandrian tradition: www.PaganLore.com/paths.aspx (if that's blocked it's not my fault).
You still call the horned God a demon? Read the WHOLE of wikipedia page and you'll see that they did not worship demons and that Caeser's report on them being 'Barbarian philosophers' was because of the revolts the Celts launched on the Romans.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

Oh yes! It seems you've really slipped up this time, my obtuse friend! Caeser may of incorporated Paganism anmd used it to create Catholosism (which still does not prove they worship the devil since neither religions do) and he may of let it flourish under some supervision to avoid riots, but it WAS abolished by Emperor Claudius when he faced political pressure by the Celts.

Ahh, a true idiot.

CAESAR (not Caeser) wasn't Catholic, he was ROMAN PAGAN. Catholicism didn't exist when he was alive; he DIED in 44 BC! (That means BEFORE CHRIST.)

Catholicism IS Roman paganism with a little reference to Jesus thrown in.

As for the Gallic wars, he DID see a branch of philosophers and bards, but as it said, any man who is caught in the act of THEFT and ROBBERY in sacrifice. Every race in those days had harsh punishments including the Romans and medieval Christians.

Could you prove this nonsense about philosophers and bards?

Also, if you bothered to read the REST of the text I posted, you'd see:

but when the supply of victims fails they resort to the execution even of the innocent.

As for the Wikipedia text: going to research onto Wikipedia is like breaking into another person's school locker and copying their own homework; ANYONE can contribute to Wikipedia! Including Christians trying to frame Celtic Paganism. The part about the Lindow Man sacrifice (which I also doubt is true) it said that it was recorded in medievel text (and in those days they also tried to frame Paganism) it also said that these may have been punishments for thieves and robbers.

Wikipedia has better information that you, apparently.

As for the rest, maybe it's true, but it doesn't mean they worshipped a devil, they probably did that to appease it so it wouldn't unleash its destructive wrath, but that doesn't mean they worshipped it and it doesn't mean a modern-day Pagan worshipps the Devil or sacrifices it (and the horned God did exist before Christianity which proves it does not originate from the Christian devil).

You still have shown no proof that the Hockey Puck existed prior to the creation of the universe 6,000 years ago.

As for the whole Wicca being invented in the 1950s...
READ THE TEXT YOU POSTED!!!!!!
It says that he POPULARISED it, not invented it, and it doesn't take a person with a prodigious IQ to realise that the word 'popularise' (starts with a 'p' ends with an 'e' and has 4 syllables) has a different meaning from the word 'invented' (starts with an 'i' ends with a 'd' has three syllables this time).

Um, you mean this text I posted?

The veracity of Gardner's statements cannot be independently proven, however, and it is more likely that Wiccan theology began to be compiled no earlier than the 1920s.[2]

How about some more text?

How much of Wicca can be traced to the Celts?

Wicca is a religion based, in part, on ancient, northern European Pagan beliefs in a fertility Goddess and her consort, a horned God. Although the religion is a modern creation, some of its sources pre-date the Christian era by many centuries. Most Wiccans do not believe that their religion is a direct, continuous descendent of this earlier religion. They see it as a modern reconstruction.

Joanna Hautin-Mayer has written:

"We know tragically little about the actual religious expressions of the ancient Celts. We have a few myths and legends, but very little archeological evidence to support our theories. We have no written records of their actual forms of worship, and the accounts of their culture and beliefs written by their contemporaries are often highly biased and of questionable historical worth." 1

Ms. Hautin-Mayer is particularly critical of recent Neopagan books which she demonstrates to be largely fictional accounts of the history of Witta 3 (presented as an Irish Pagan tradition), Faery Wicca 4 (presented as an ancient tradition), and 21 Lessons of Merlyn 5 (a somewhat racist and sexist account of Druidism).

Silver RavenWolf wrote in 1998:

"Wicca, as you practice the religion today, is a new religion, barely fifty years old. The techniques you use at present are not entirely what your elders practiced even thirty years ago. Of course, threads of 'what was' weave through the tapestry of 'what is now.' ...in no way can we replicate to perfection the precise circumstances of environment, society, culture, religion and magick a hundred years ago, or a thousand. Why would we want to ? The idea is to go forward with the knowledge of the past, tempered by the tools of our own age." 2

As for magick with a 'k', it's debatable whether there really was an extra letter added on, but many Pagans use it to distinguish it from the the word 'magic' which they assosciate with chessy stage tricks and sometimes end up instinctivley adding the 'k' on (as do I).

Isn't that exactly what I said? An affectation started by Aleister Crowley.

As for your infantile insulting of the eternal Lord of nature and the stars you say that the Pagan Lord cannot be older than the universe, but in saying that you state that nothing can be older than the universe... MISTAKE!!!!! If that's the case than how can your God be older than the universe?!

God created the universe, dumbass. In order to create it, He had to predate it.

I also did NOT say that "nothing can be older than the universe", I said that your demon cannot be older than the universe because God created the universe and everything in it!

By the way it's Pagan Lord Alexander SAUNDERS I made a typing error there.

I think you mean Alexander Sanders.

Founder of Alexandrian Wicca.

Student of Gerald Gardner.

In the 1960s, not during the Spanish Inquisition.

You, sir, are truly an idiot.

Alexandrian Wicca is a tradition of the Neopagan religion of Wicca, founded by Alex Sanders (also known as "King of the Witches"[1]) who, with his wife Maxine Sanders, established the tradition in the 1960s. Alexandrian Wicca is similar in many ways to Gardnerian Wicca, and receives regular mention in books on Wicca as one of the religion's most widely-recognized traditions.[2]

The tradition is based largely upon Gardnerian Wicca, in which Sanders was trained to the first degree of initiation,[3] and also contains elements of ceremonial magic and Qabalah, which Sanders had studied independently.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: About Wicca.

Oh yes! It seems you've really slipped up this time, my obtuse friend! Caeser may of incorporated Paganism anmd used it to create Catholosism (which still does not prove they worship the devil since neither religions do) and he may of let it flourish under some supervision to avoid riots, but it WAS abolished by Emperor Claudius when he faced political pressure by the Celts.

You are getting you Caesars mixed gotbotherer; Julius "I cam, I saw, I conquered" Caesar suppressed the Druids in Gaul in 30 BC, Claduis "I Claduis" Caesar suppressed the Druids in England in about 60 AD, Constantine "the Great" Caesar created the Catholic church, three hundred years after Julius and Claduis.

Completely cluessless about history, like a typical pagan.

Tell me Tantheus; do you practice human sacrifice like the real Celts did?

[Tantheus]

Re: About Wicca.

Also, if you want a Refference on Pagan Lord Alexander Saunders (It's Saunders. I made a typing error in the previous post) type in Pagan leader Alexander Saunders and clock on 'witch or Wiccan' or go to www.nvcc.edu/home/lshulman/essays/Wicca.htm. It doesn't explain miuch about Saunders but does describe About his iccan religion and about Gerald Gradner who was born into a witch family. If it blocks out out the site link or the Google search then that's not my fault! I was one of the 20 people sent by the Pagan site I first mentioned to enter this site and make you people realise the truth. Pagan sites are now the ones sending spies, not just Land over baptist.

[VictoryOS]

Re: About Wicca.

Oh yes! It seems you've really slipped up this time, my obtuse friend! Caeser may of incorporated Paganism anmd used it to create Catholosism (which still does not prove they worship the devil since neither religions do) and he may of let it flourish under some supervision to avoid riots, but it WAS abolished by Emperor Claudius when he faced political pressure by the Celts.
As for the Gallic wars, he DID see a branch of philosophers and bards, but as it said, any man who is caught in the act of THEFT and ROBBERY in sacrifice. Every race in those days had harsh punishments including the Romans and medieval Christians.
As for the Wikipedia text: going to research onto Wikipedia is like breaking into another person's school locker and copying their own homework; ANYONE can contribute to Wikipedia! Including Christians trying to frame Celtic Paganism. The part about the Lindow Man sacrifice (which I also doubt is true) it said that it was recorded in medievel text (and in those days they also tried to frame Paganism) it also said that these may have been punishments for thieves
and robbers. As for the rest, maybe it's true, but it doesn't mean they worshipped a devil, they probably did that to appease it so it wouldn't unleash its destructive wrath, but that doesn't mean they worshipped it and it doesn't mean a modern-day Pagan worshipps the Devil or sacrifices it (and the horned God did exist before Christianity which proves it does not originate from the Christian devil).
As for the whole Wicca being invented in the 1950s...
READ THE TEXT YOU POSTED!!!!!!
It says that he POPULARISED it, not invented it, and it doesn't take a person with a prodigious IQ to realise that the word 'popularise' (starts with a 'p' ends with an 'e' and has 4 syllables) has a different meaning from the word 'invented' (starts with an 'i' ends with a 'd' has three syllables this time).
As for magick with a 'k', it's debatable whether there really was an extra letter added on, but many Pagans use it to distinguish it from the the word 'magic' which they assosciate with chessy stage tricks and sometimes end up instinctivley adding the 'k' on (as do I).
As for your infantile insulting of the eternal Lord of nature and the stars
you say that the Pagan Lord cannot be older than the universe, but in saying that you state that nothing can be older than the universe... MISTAKE!!!!! If that's the case than how can your God be older than the universe?! As for the whole bible topic, here's something: I'm very unfamiliar with your personal background, but I do know that you were subconscioussley influenced by people believing that everything in the bible is true...but you were INFLUENCED!!! How do you know that the holy muslim book isn't true, or the Hindu book, or the Sihk book, or the Buddhist cycle etc. are not right. In fact, if you were raised by extremist muslims you'd probably believe that everything in THEIR book is true ad that the bible is all poppy cock! So YOU-DON'T-KNOW Jack diddley SQUAT about whether other holy book is true or not!!! All you have backing you up is faith! By the way it's Pagan Lord Alexander SAUNDERS I made a typing error there.

Proof please.

[Tantheus]

Re: About Wicca.

Oh yes! It seems you've really slipped up this time, my obtuse friend! Caeser may of incorporated Paganism anmd used it to create Catholosism (which still does not prove they worship the devil since neither religions do) and he may of let it flourish under some supervision to avoid riots, but it WAS abolished by Emperor Claudius when he faced political pressure by the Celts.
As for the Gallic wars, he DID see a branch of philosophers and bards, but as it said, any man who is caught in the act of THEFT and ROBBERY in sacrifice. Every race in those days had harsh punishments including the Romans and medieval Christians.
As for the Wikipedia text: going to research onto Wikipedia is like breaking into another person's school locker and copying their own homework; ANYONE can contribute to Wikipedia! Including Christians trying to frame Celtic Paganism. The part about the Lindow Man sacrifice (which I also doubt is true) it said that it was recorded in medievel text (and in those days they also tried to frame Paganism) it also said that these may have been punishments for thieves
and robbers. As for the rest, maybe it's true, but it doesn't mean they worshipped a devil, they probably did that to appease it so it wouldn't unleash its destructive wrath, but that doesn't mean they worshipped it and it doesn't mean a modern-day Pagan worshipps the Devil or sacrifices it (and the horned God did exist before Christianity which proves it does not originate from the Christian devil).
As for the whole Wicca being invented in the 1950s...
READ THE TEXT YOU POSTED!!!!!!
It says that he POPULARISED it, not invented it, and it doesn't take a person with a prodigious IQ to realise that the word 'popularise' (starts with a 'p' ends with an 'e' and has 4 syllables) has a different meaning from the word 'invented' (starts with an 'i' ends with a 'd' has three syllables this time).
As for magick with a 'k', it's debatable whether there really was an extra letter added on, but many Pagans use it to distinguish it from the the word 'magic' which they assosciate with chessy stage tricks and sometimes end up instinctivley adding the 'k' on (as do I).
As for your infantile insulting of the eternal Lord of nature and the stars
you say that the Pagan Lord cannot be older than the universe, but in saying that you state that nothing can be older than the universe... MISTAKE!!!!! If that's the case than how can your God be older than the universe?! As for the whole bible topic, here's something: I'm very unfamiliar with your personal background, but I do know that you were subconscioussley influenced by people believing that everything in the bible is true...but you were INFLUENCED!!! How do you know that the holy muslim book isn't true, or the Hindu book, or the Sihk book, or the Buddhist cycle etc. are not right. In fact, if you were raised by extremist muslims you'd probably believe that everything in THEIR book is true ad that the bible is all poppy cock! So YOU-DON'T-KNOW Jack diddley SQUAT about whether other holy book is true or not!!! All you have backing you up is faith! By the way it's Pagan Lord Alexander SAUNDERS I made a typing error there.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: About Wicca.

I'm not sure you guys know the difference between tradditional Paganism, neo-paganism and Wicca. Every historian knows that the first European Paganism was created by the Celts ( who had originally came from Scandinavia) and they spread their culture throughout Europe and even through some parts of Arabia (that's why Allah is Arabian for moon God). But the Europeans abolished Paganism and replaced it with Christianity.

No, the ROMANS incorporated pre-Christian Paganism (primarily Roman, but also of other cultures they conquered) into the Catholic Cult. Paganism was never abolished, but rather adopted by the Whore of Babylon.

When Julius Ceaser invaded Britain he saw a sophisticated branch of philosophers and bards who used their own form of sorcery and recorded the motion of the moon and sun.

Caesar (see how it's spelled?) wrote that the pagans performed child sacrifices and other horrors. Here's an example:

Julius Caesar wrote in his Gallic Wars:
[The Gauls] believe that unless a man's life is paid for by another man's, the majesty of the immortal gods cannot be appeased [...]. Some [tribes] have figures of immense size, whose limbs, woven out of twigs, they fill them with living men. After these figures have been set on fire, men perish in a sheet of flame. They believe that the execution of those who have been caught in the act of theft or robbery is more pleasing to the immortal gods; but when the supply of victims fails they resort to the execution even of the innocent.

More:

In sites associated with Celtic settlements throughout Europe, human remains have been found bearing marks of being sacrificed. They have dated from the Neolithic era to far into the Roman times.

At Woodhenge, a three-year-old child had its head sliced open with an axe and was buried in the center of the structure.[2] This appears to be a foundation sacrifice, and similar bodies are found throughout the archeological records. There are also graves that contain several bodies, often one of an aged man, and several younger individuals, who bear marks of having been killed; these appear to be sacrifices to the dead man.

In Havránok, Slovakia, seven people were beaten to death and quartered. Parts of their bodies were subsequently thrown into a pit in the middle of a shrine, either to ensure a good harvest or as an offering to the deities of the Underworld (1st century BCE).

Ritualised decapitation survives in the archaeological record such as the example of 12 headless corpses at the French late Iron Age sanctuary of Gournay-sur-Aronde.

Lindow man may be an example of a human sacrifice from the 1st or 2nd century, preserved in a peat bog in near perfect condition. The case for his sacrifice hinges on the three separate injuries he suffered. He was throttled, clubbed around the head and had his throat slit. This dovetails with the threefold death detailed in medieval texts. Tollund Man has also been suggested as a bog sacrifice although both men may also have been executed criminals.

Wicca was invented by a Spaniard called Alexander ( or 'Alejandro' which is Spanish for Alexander) Flaunders during the Holy Spanish inquisition and he helped thousands of moors and Pagans escape to Ireland, that's where he invented Wicca which is similair to Paganism except has some slightly different principles.

Wicca was invented in the 1950s by Gerald Gardner. Also from Wikipedia:

Wicca (IPA: /ˈwɪkə/) is a nature-based religion mystery religion popularised in 1954 by Gerald Gardner, a retired British civil servant, who at the time called it Witchcraft and its adherents "the Wica".[1] He said that the religion, of which he was an initiate, was a modern survival of an old witchcraft religion which had existed in secret for hundreds of years, originating in the pre-Christian paganism of Europe.[1] The veracity of Gardner's statements cannot be independently proven, however, and it is more likely that Wiccan theology began to be compiled no earlier than the 1920s.[2]

Neo-Paganism (Neo is latin for new) is the same as Paganism except with more modern principles; they use magick (the tradditional Pagan way of spelling magic is with a 'k').

As I've already mentioned, "magick" is an affectation coined by Aleister Crowley to differentiate so-called "sorcery" from magic tricks. There's nothing "traditional" (see how it's spelled?) about it. Meanwhile, English spellings only became standardized within the last 100 years or so.

Let us know when you catch up with that, OK?

As for the Horned God: he cannot possibley be Satan if Paganism was 6,000 years older than Christianity. I haveno idea where you guys got the crap about Wicca being 50-years old!

Nothing is 6,000 years older than Christianity. Christianity is 2,000 years old, and the universe is 6,000 years old. Your claim of "6,000 years older than Christianity" would require that your Hockey Puck be 2,000 years older than the universe.

Obviously, Hockey Puck could not possibly (see how it's spelled?) be 2,000 years older than the universe.

I'd like to see a historical reference for this "alexander flaunders", who doesn't even show up on a Google search (except, surprisingly, for THIS THREAD).

[Bob4God]

Re: About Wicca.

Tantheus,

The Bible is the 100 percent TRUE WORD OF GOD. If you don't believe me, just read it. It's all right there in the Bible.

It is meant to be taken literally, because it is GOD's instruction to us on how to live our literal lives.

Remember, the Bible says man cannot live by bread alone, but by also the word of GOD. (See Matthew 4:4, or Rev. Rodimer's signature*)

Do you have a Bible verse to support YOUR position? No? Then it can't be much of an argument if it isn't backed by the truth.

Amen and GLORY!

*this is not to say that it is appropriate to seek answers to spiritual questions from any source OTHER than the Bible