[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

I'll be back soon with more to ask. Thank you to all contributors to this thread.

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

You know what, you're right. I had an inconsistency. Thank you for pointing that out.

[Basilissa]

Re: Circular logic?

No, risk of title 15, risk of arrest, as well as contractual obligation to serve the military. What's more, depending on one's career, he will get consistently polygraphed to maintain that he is still an asset to national security.

Didn't you just say like two posts ago, that fear was not one of the tenets of the military?

Where's that logic of yours, again?

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

No, risk of title 15, risk of arrest, as well as contractual obligation to serve the military. What's more, depending on one's career, he will get consistently polygraphed to maintain that he is still an asset to national security.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Circular logic?

I will be joining the army this coming fall. Fear, however, is not tenet of the military, and there is immediate reason for obedience. However, that does not excuse aggressive Christian behavior.

Safety, right?

See the connection yet?

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

I will be joining the army this coming fall. Fear, however, is not tenet of the military, and there is immediate reason for obedience. However, that does not excuse aggressive Christian behavior.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Circular logic?

Fear and obedience were the rules under Nazi Germany, is that the mentality you'd endorse?

They are also the rules in the US military. Do you have a problem with people who serve our country, too?

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

Fear and obedience were the rules under Nazi Germany, is that the mentality you'd endorse?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Circular logic?

What is this purpose? To enter God's kingdom?

Fear and Obedience.

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God, and keep his commandments:
for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:13

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

What is this purpose? To enter God's kingdom?

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Circular logic?

Elmer,
Unfortunately I do not let go of logic, I am a hardened thinker, and I apologize for any frustration or perceived ignorance.

Disease was once a mystery to mankind, until through logic and observation, we began making breakthroughs. Who can say we will not have mastery of disease, say a hundred years from now?

As for coincidences (in my eyes), why must everything happen for a reason?

Out of curiosity, seeing as you might know, what does the Scripture have to say about why man needs purpose? Why is it painful for many to think that things happen arbitrarily?

My friend,

Purpose? It is really not something you need, it is something you are GIVEN in God! And within that purpose, things can still be arbitrary, as the mind of God and His choices are comprehensible only by a small degree.

1John 3:1-3
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


It is a paradox, not of this world, it is of the world beyond logic.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

Elmer,
Unfortunately I do not let go of logic, I am a hardened thinker, and I apologize for any frustration or perceived ignorance.

Disease was once a mystery to mankind, until through logic and observation, we began making breakthroughs. Who can say we will not have mastery of disease, say a hundred years from now?

As for coincidences (in my eyes), why must everything happen for a reason?

Out of curiosity, seeing as you might know, what does the Scripture have to say about why man needs purpose? Why is it painful for many to think that things happen arbitrarily?

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Circular logic?

Oh, my apologies JustGotSaved. In that case then, any thoughts on my response?

Levi,
While belief can be a wonderful and fulfilling thing, everyone must live their day-to-day. To do so irrationally cannot lead you to success.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Circular logic?

Elmer,
Thank you for your response! It is both thoughtful and of the attitude I was hoping for here. (By the way, Mr. )

As for the Bible analysis, it seems to me that a divinely inspired book should be solid, and original text should be reasonably possible to find.

Miracles seem hard to find these days, when across the world people suffer, seemingly needlessly, and many Christians rejoice in it, claiming it as vengeance on innocent people who could not have possibly known differently.

But logic arises from constant, everyday observation. The resurrection of Christ was unique, because corpses do not come alive. But how am I to believe in the supernatural if I have seen none of its effect on myself?

Mr. Maroney,

You do not let go of logic, do you?

Bible analysis, exegetics, has actually demonstrated that the differences in the NT manuscripts are minor, hardly ever even lexical, mostly only some missing definite articles, slightly different particles, etc. They are a hinder to certainty and Faith only when secular logic and probability are applied in order to falsify the Bible. Regarding content, the text is wonderfully consistent between the papyri.

Miracles are everywhere when you look! People are healed from incurable cancers, lost relatives found after decades. And not all miracles have to be comfortable. Yes, the God of the Bible does show His wrath also, and sometimes in miraculous ways. And the miracle of coming back from the dead? Not unique! Study the Bible. Lazarus, children, OT prophet Elisha...

As for the personal miracle... Why are you here? Is it your own free will or is it guidance? Could it be a miracle?

Mark 6:52
For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.


Try to open your heart. Miracles can suddenly be EVERYWHERE!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Levi Jones]

Re: Circular logic?

For the first response, have you considered that the authors of the New Testament, having naturally written it after the Old, may have referenced it to give the illusion of accuracy? And as for the evolution post, that's not what my question was about. Time is intangible and difficult to prove logically, without discredit to the Bible whatsoever.

Logic and rational thinking: Who needs those things when you have Jesus Christ?

You should read this sermon. God HATES Rational Thinking.