[savinggraceless]

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The mingling of the races is prohibited in the Bible. Sin apparently runs in your Catholic family.

The mingling of the races is NOT prohibited in Scripture! That is an old wives tale. Jews were banned from marrying Canaanites because they were pagans. Not because of the color of their skin or because of where they lived.

What Scripture DOES say is that we are not to be in a relationship with unbelievers.

2 Corinthians 6:14

14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

[ExGay Alex]

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God made races as they are. He made black people. He made yellow people. He made white people. God turned Noah's son into a Nigra and his descendants also, and God intends for those distinctions to remain. That's the point of the Tower of Babel and the reason Israelites were not allowed to marry Gentiles (Deut. 7:3, 1 Kings 11:2, Neh. 13:25).

Now, your turn, Mr. Smartypants. Find me one case where the Bible approves of the mixing of the races. You will not find any. God has a plan and just because those black guys want our women because THEIRS have big butts and smelly pits doesn't mean God's plan should be thwarted. Its just like the homosexuals. Just because you might be TEMPTED to want to play on the other team doesn't give you the right. That's the Devil at work, nothing more.

[savinggraceless]

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First off you want an example
1) Boaz and Ruth
Ruth was a Moabitess, Boaz was an Israelite. But both ended up in the geneaology of Christ.

Also you must remember that we are not Jews. We are Gentiles. When the Jews would not accept the Messiah grace was offered to the Gentiles.

The Bible is written for the world and thus should be realized that not every culture is going to draw the same thing out of a passage. For ex. communion: there are Brazilian indians that have not access to grape juice and leavened bread, so they use the available resources that they have. A type of wine and an unleavened staple food. God will not condemned them for using a different resource than what is described in Scripture. The important thing is if their hearts are in the right place.

it is important to realize that each person is a miracle of God, good or bad, black or white, slave or free. And should not be treated as scum. Jesus offered the harlot forgiveness where the Pharisees did not.

I Samuel 16:7
7 But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

We also should look at the heart of those and yes if they are making obscene comments like that they are probably not saved. But that doesn't mean that all people of one color are like that. And that doesn't mean that we should take on the "holier than thou" attitude, for we were once like them, but are now washed clean in the blood of the Lamb and should show them that same mercy that God showed us.

[ExGay Alex]

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There is much in the book of Ruth that would make it appear that Ruth was not an Israelite, as her mother-in-law Naomi was. But it is clear that she was. For instance, consider the wording of this passage:

And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, [or] to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people [shall be] my people, and thy God my God:

Where does is say that Ruth was not of the same race as her mother-in-law, Naomi? It doesn't. It can easily mean that Ruth, who had lived among the Mohabites, was now determined to live among her racial kin: the Israelites, unlike her sister. Ruth's sister – also widowed - returned to the Moahbite gods:

And she [Naomi] said, Behold, thy [Ruth's] sister in law is gone back unto her people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law.

Let's get some background about the Moahbites. According to Judges 11:12-13, By 1450 B.C. All the land of Moab was Israel 's territory . in 1142 B.C.. Three hundred years later, the land of Moab was still Israel 's territory. Long before Ruth, the Moabites had been exterminated by the Amorites. Then the Israelites drove out and exterminated the Amorites. The Israelites occupied the land of Moab for the next several centuries, though the gods of those people persisted.

Ruth could not be of a different race than Naomi. Even if she was descended from the Moabites, she would have been a descendant of Lot through his incestuous relationship with his eldest daughter. So – once again – this cannot be a case of an interracial to begin with.

Ruth was truly an Israelite.

In Ruth 4 there is an application of Israelite law to land inheritance. By Israel 's law, only Israelites could inherit another Israelite's real estate. If Ruth were a racial Moabite, then she could have made no lawful claim on the land. It's in Deuteronomy 21 and Numbers 27.

Israelites (in this case, Boaz) were forbidden to marry Moabite descendants:

… The people of Israel … have not separated themselves from the people of the lands … even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites …. For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands…(.Ezra 9:1-2)

Yashua could not have become king of the Israelites if He was from a forbidden lineage or mixed-race relationship. Therefore, Ruth must have been known as a Moabite because she had lived in the country of Moab – a possession of the Reubenites at the time of Ruth.

As a nail in the coffin, consider that Boaz (stated as a close kinsman several times in Ruth) applied the levirate law to her. The levirate law requires Israelite men to raise up a male heir for a deceased kinsman, thereby preserving his name and estate:

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother [or “nigh of kin,” Leviticus 25:48-49] shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. (Deuteronomy 25:5-6)

And he [Boaz] said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth … thou art a near kinsman. And he said, … it is true that I am thy near kinsman: howbeit … will I do the part of a kinsman to thee…. (Ruth 3:9-13)

Had Ruth been from the forbidden lineage of Moab or from another race, the levirate law would not have applied because her previous relationship with Boaz's kinsman Mahlon would have been unlawful and, therefore, adulterous. Had Ruth been a racial Moabite, the nearer kinsman (Ruth 3:12 , 4:5-6) would have only needed to raise this objection to keep from having to redeem Ruth along with Mahlon's land.

Try again.

[ExGay Alex]

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I won't go into so much detail on these next points. As I think I have demonstrated, I could if I wanted to, but here goes (briefly)

The important thing is if their hearts are in the right place.

Wrong. It's not enough to be a good person. You have to accept Jesus as your savior, and LIVE according to God's law and plan. And grape juice in Brazil? Give me a break. Those Cathlickers are all Hell-bound anyway, be they drinking wine or grape juice or a Schlitz.

it is important to realize that each person is a miracle of God, good or bad, black or white, slave or free.

And so are mosquitoes, but not everybody gets to heaven.

I Samuel 16:7
7 But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

There are plenty of rules on outward appearance, up to an including women not cutting their hair. There are plenty of beautiful women in this congregation who follow that rule because God commands it.

I am sorry, but you cannot just do what you want. You cannot just be a big ol' smelly short-haired dyky acting, nigra loving, fornicating female and still be in God's Grace. It just doesn't work. Glory to God! I am praying for you, sister, that your mind be opened.

Stay on the forum. I appreciate this Godly debate, truly I do.

[savinggraceless]

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Wrong. It's not enough to be a good person. You have to accept Jesus as your savior, and LIVE according to God's law and plan. And grape juice in Brazil? Give me a break. Those Cathlickers are all Hell-bound anyway, be they drinking wine or grape juice or a Schlitz.

I agree with you there. No one can be saved based on works (Titus 3:5). My point was I was talking about Believers in other cultures. And who is to say they are or are not believers? How can you condemn someone without even knowing one thing about them?

There are plenty of rules on outward appearance, up to an including women not cutting their hair. There are plenty of beautiful women in this congregation who follow that rule because God commands it.

I am sorry, but you cannot just do what you want. You cannot just be a big ol' smelly short-haired dyky acting, nigra loving, fornicating female and still be in God's Grace. It just doesn't work. Glory to God! I am praying for you, sister, that your mind be opened.

my point for this statement was the fact that we tend to only look skin deep, and I agree with you on this as well. We can not just do what we want. But we must also understand that God did not make us to save us and then shove us a list of do's and dont's. You must remember that to God sin is sin. It doesn't matter if the person did a little white lie or murdered someone. It is the same to God, it is sin. I think this is partly where man comes in and makes up a system of what condemns a person and what does not when really it is all the same before God. He set the rules, we as mankind broke them. period.

And may I remind you that you are distantly related to every person on the planet because all of mankind descends from the sons of Noah?

If Christ died to save only the select it would contradict Scripture:

John 3:16
"For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that ]whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

Romans 1:16
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek."

why do you think Christ commanded us to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20)

[savinggraceless]

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May I also remind you of Rehab. She was a prostitute AND a Canaanite. She rejected her ways, turned to God and married an Israelite. And she is in the geneaology of Christ as well.

Hebrews 11:31
31 By faith the harlot Rahab did not perish with those who did not believe, when she had received the spies with peace.

Matthew 1:5
Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse.

And Ruth was distance kin of Boaz through Naomi. aka marriage.
Israelite men were not prohibited from marrying Moabite women, it excluded Moabites from the congregation of Israel for 10 generations. (Deut. 23:1-4) The Moabites descended from the incestuous relation of Lot with his oldest daughter.

Ruth 1:4
4 Now they took wives of the women of Moab: the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth. And they dwelt there about ten years.

It also says in Ruth 1:15
15 And she said, “Look, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people and to her gods; return after your sister-in-law.”
This indicates that Ruth also at one time worshipped the gods of the Moabites, but she declined and chose to worship the one true God.

God is not stopped in the course of fulfilling his will by what might seem to be politically incorrect.

[ExGay Alex]

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I checked, just to be sure, and no, I do not have nappy hair and balloon lips. I am not even distantly related to the nigras.

If God wanted people to be mud colored he would have made us that way. If God wanted us all to write with squiggles instead of a proper alphabet, we would have that.

But...

Instead, he made white people separate from blacks and the rest for a reason. The blacks, who decended from Noah's son, are black because of the sin of seeing Noah's tallywacker.

The Orientals are completely distanced from normal people through their geography and their language of grunts and squeaks. For example: ever listen to Vietnamese? While our language flows from our mouths in clear, distinquished words and sentences, Vietnamese takes on the painful screachings of a cat hooked up by alligator clips to a 12v battery or pig on a roller coater. Chinese and Japanese aren't much better. When they are yelling your order to the kitchen, you'd swear it's not real communication and more like they just dropped a fork on their toe. These people are unapproachable for a REASON.

Why do you insist on twisting the Scripture to fit your liberal world view? Why do you insist on trying to second guess God and to instill your own "plan" to turn us all into gray slanty thick lipped nappy heads? God will punish your meddling and blurring the lines of distiction that HE created.

Next you'll give me some cock and bull about why the queers should be allowed to queer each other and how the Jesus loves all the little ****lickers and you will twist the Bible to justify it just as you did to boost the nigras.

[savinggraceless]

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I checked, just to be sure, and no, I do not have nappy hair and balloon lips. I am not even distantly related to the nigras.

If God wanted people to be mud colored he would have made us that way. If God wanted us all to write with squiggles instead of a proper alphabet, we would have that.

But...

Instead, he made white people separate from blacks and the rest for a reason. The blacks, who decended from Noah's son, are black because of the sin of seeing Noah's tallywacker.

The Orientals are completely distanced from normal people through their geography and their language of grunts and squeaks. For example: ever listen to Vietnamese? While our language flows from our mouths in clear, distinquished words and sentences, Vietnamese takes on the painful screachings of a cat hooked up by alligator clips to a 12v battery or pig on a roller coater. Chinese and Japanese aren't much better. When they are yelling your order to the kitchen, you'd swear it's not real communication and more like they just dropped a fork on their toe. These people are unapproachable for a REASON.

Why do you insist on twisting the Scripture to fit your liberal world view? Why do you insist on trying to second guess God and to instill your own "plan" to turn us all into gray slanty thick lipped nappy heads? God will punish your meddling and blurring the lines of distiction that HE created.

Next you'll give me some cock and bull about why the queers should be allowed to queer each other and how the Jesus loves all the little ****lickers and you will twist the Bible to justify it just as you did to boost the nigras.

I have had enough of your racial slurs and elevating yourself above others. People like you will never understand Scripture or freedom in Christ as applied to all men.

And did you know worshiping the Bible is not the same as worshiping Christ? It is idolatry to put what is written higher than who God is. It's like putting the written word before the author.

And just so you know. Jesus was not a white caucasian. He was the same color every other middle eastern was and is. So if salvation is based on color. then you and I are both doomed. But praise God it is not. It is based on the individuals spiritual condition before God.

If God hated sinners he wouldn't have bothered to send Christ to save us. He would just sent the lot of us all to Hell.

And just so you know, I am a conservative baptist.

[Mustang]

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Why is this filthy homosexual, God-hating liberal "savinggrace" not banned yet?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I have had enough of your racial slurs and elevating yourself above others. People like you will never understand Scripture or freedom in Christ as applied to all men.

And did you know worshiping the Bible is not the same as worshiping Christ? It is idolatry to put what is written higher than who God is. It's like putting the written word before the author.

And just so you know. Jesus was not a white caucasian. He was the same color every other middle eastern was and is. So if salvation is based on color. then you and I are both doomed. But praise God it is not. It is based on the individuals spiritual condition before God.

If God hated sinners he wouldn't have bothered to send Christ to save us. He would just sent the lot of us all to Hell.

And just so you know, I am a conservative baptist.

If you're a conservative Baptist then I'm a monkey's uncle.

You might want to take a look at THIS thread, which proves conclusively that Jesus is (yes, I said IS, because Jesus is still alive!) as White, blonde haired and blue eyed as I am. Glory!!

[savinggraceless]

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Get your facts straight! I am a homosexual!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Get your facts straight! I am a homosexual!

Aren't you ashamed? Have you no decency?

[savinggraceless]

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If you're a conservative Baptist then I'm a monkey's uncle.

Then you would be a monkey's uncle and a jerk to boot.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Then you would be a monkey's uncle and a jerk to boot.

Listen up miss; This is God's favorite forum, and we do NOT tolerate feminazi smartmouths around here.

Why your husband doesn't beat you within an inch of your life is beyond me.