[Gayassburger]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Okay Jeb or whatever your username is, this post is complete and utter BS. The fact that your ultraconservative ass and friends thought to make this post is beyond me. First before I say anything else I would like to quote JK Rowiling herself. "Yes I am a Christian and put Christian imagery and illusions throughout the series" so take that Jeb(im just gonna call you that) and suck it. Harry Potter is under the freaking FANTASY section not nonfiction you dumbass! and since you clearly didnt pass first grade...Fantasy means its not real. So yes Harry Potter doesnt make itself seem real nor does it "promote" any negative themes. It teaches kids more then the bible ever will.
Personally I have been going to Catholic School and Church my whole life and it was Harry Potter that changed me morally into a better person and I started to value things greater than myself. I started to value courage, honesty, fighting for what is right, giving a voice to the voiceless, fighting evil, etc. Children start to see themselves in these beautifully crafted characters and through Harry Potter they get to see values and morals that they want for themmselves. Like my best friend her idol became Hermione(and since obviously your ignorant ass didnt read the series or this post would not have been made, Hermione is the protagonist's Best friend) and my best friend found that through Hermione it was okay and actually cool to be smart.
Harry Potter also saves lives. After another one of my friends read Harry Potter he truly saw the light and realized the damage of death and a suicide through the tragic death of Cederic and James and Lily Potter.
And on top of all of this if your going to Ban Harry Potter then ban Lord of the Rings or Star Wars(you sort of look like Chewbacca yourself) because that list could very well apply to those series if you are narrowminded enough to not understand that there are good books other than the bible.
My point is, you should probably throw out your computer and surgically remove your brain if you believe anything the OP said.
Comments would be nice and try to argue with me that I am wrong because I have many more points I didnt add.

Finally! someone on here who isn't a complete psycho path. I actually love you. You show them!

[Didymus Much]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

...I would like to quote JK Rowiling herself. "Yes I am a Christian...

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

God doesn't care what label you put on yourself, He cares that you kill witches and non-virgin brides that have been paid for and disobedient, drunken children and adulterers and those who work on Sunday (or it might be Saturday, better be on the safe side and kill them all rather than potentially incurring the wrath of a vengeful god named Jealous, amirite) and force rape victims to marry their attackers and don't wear linen and silk together because, whatever, shit's so crazy at this point who needs justification for any of this crap anymore.

...so take that Jeb(im just gonna call you that) and suck it...

Why so angry? Mr. Bush is only trying to teach you what the Bible really says.

...Comments would be nice and try to argue with me that I am wrong because I have many more points I didnt add.

Points, schmoints. Scripture or STFU, thanks.

[see_the_light]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

As a renowned satanist once bragged "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist "

The KJV says otherwise, you are wrong.

Now that that minor detail was put aside why don't you introduce yourself properly in the right section?

PRAISE THE LORD!

[ILuvtheLord]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Okay Jeb or whatever your username is, this post is complete and utter BS. The fact that your ultraconservative ass and friends thought to make this post is beyond me. First before I say anything else I would like to quote JK Rowiling herself. "Yes I am a Christian and put Christian imagery and illusions throughout the series" so take that Jeb(im just gonna call you that) and suck it. Harry Potter is under the freaking FANTASY section not nonfiction you dumbass! and since you clearly didnt pass first grade...Fantasy means its not real. So yes Harry Potter doesnt make itself seem real nor does it "promote" any negative themes. It teaches kids more then the bible ever will.
Personally I have been going to Catholic School and Church my whole life and it was Harry Potter that changed me morally into a better person and I started to value things greater than myself. I started to value courage, honesty, fighting for what is right, giving a voice to the voiceless, fighting evil, etc. Children start to see themselves in these beautifully crafted characters and through Harry Potter they get to see values and morals that they want for themmselves. Like my best friend her idol became Hermione(and since obviously your ignorant ass didnt read the series or this post would not have been made, Hermione is the protagonist's Best friend) and my best friend found that through Hermione it was okay and actually cool to be smart.
Harry Potter also saves lives. After another one of my friends read Harry Potter he truly saw the light and realized the damage of death and a suicide through the tragic death of Cederic and James and Lily Potter.
And on top of all of this if your going to Ban Harry Potter then ban Lord of the Rings or Star Wars(you sort of look like Chewbacca yourself) because that list could very well apply to those series if you are narrowminded enough to not understand that there are good books other than the bible.
My point is, you should probably throw out your computer and surgically remove your brain if you believe anything the OP said.
Comments would be nice and try to argue with me that I am wrong because I have many more points I didnt add.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

I understand that your intentions are good, noble even,

Yes, our intentions are good and very noble. Because they are one with the Will of God, they are perfect.

but I do not appreciate anyone wishing that my loved ones die in order to change my spiritual views. I realize you may not believe in the power or danger of a curse, but I very much do, and it is very important to me to protect the ones I love

If you were to choose to repent and become a slave of Christ, you wouldn't have to scurry away in fear.

Jesus wins again!

[Bjorn Jensen]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Hi Ex-Viking, I genuinely don't understand why people keep comparing Witchcraft to child molestation. Can you explain how you all reach that conclusion?

Harry Potter is too far removed from reality to suggest a connection to Witchcraft as it is practiced, now or in the past. A book series such as 'House of Night' might fit your example better, since the rituals practiced in that book are very similar to rituals practiced by Wiccans, but the witchcraft of Harry Potter does not resemble any magical or spiritual practice I have ever heard of.

I am saying it cause you are saying that Harry Potter witchcraft should be regarded as fantasy just cause its movies and books. Well then you can also say that special effect or CGI child porn should be regarded as fantasy just cause its movies and books. In other words you support child porn.

And dont dare to use the straw man accusation

[Skyfire]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Thank you to everyone who has responded to me and helped me better understand your point of view. However, I am not going to remain here any longer; I understand that your intentions are good, noble even, but I do not appreciate anyone wishing that my loved ones die in order to change my spiritual views. I realize you may not believe in the power or danger of a curse, but I very much do, and it is very important to me to protect the ones I love, so I will now distance myself from that influence. Thanks again for your help in understanding your point of view, it is greatly appreciated. May you be granted peace on your path.

☼ ☽◯☾ ☼ ~ Namaste and Blessed Be ~ ☼ ☽◯☾ ☼

PS: Harry Potter is great! *runs for it* ~~~ ....

[Skyfire]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Dear Skyfire,

I don't read witch.

What's this crap mean?

☼ ☽◯☾ ☼ ~ "And it harm none, do what you will." [-The Witch's Rede] ~ ☼ ☽◯☾ ☼

YIC

Hi Sammy, the Witch's Rede is an injunction against doing harm. It is basically the primary guiding rule of our practice - it means we may explore our lives and act as we wish, as long as we cause no harm to another. Thanks you for asking =)

[Skyfire]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

In the interest of clarity (and hilarity ), could you describe this "real" witchcraft, its practice and effects, etc.?

Hi Didymus, I am happy to tell you a little bit about it.

As a disclaimer, I intend no disrespect or subversion of any beliefs the reader may hold, and I am not attempting to convert anyone to anything.

It would be impossible to tell you everything, but in very, very brief, Witchcraft is the practice of magic, which we define as a conscious direction of one's will in order to make a change in the world around us. We believe that all things are interconnected on a fundamental level, and that all things are sacred. The practice of Witchcraft is highly variable, and can range from elaborate ceremonial rituals to a simple prayer under the full moon. It generally involves creating a sacred space, raising energy through ritual, focusing it and sending it back out into the world.

Many Witches are also Pagans. Paganism is group of religions that venerate nature as both the immanent and transcendent manifestation of the Divine. For Pagans, Witchcraft is a spiritual practice through which we worship the Divine and bring ourselves into a closer understanding of Divinity.

I was told that it is against the forum's rules to write extensive posts, so if you want more in-depth information, I would direct you instead to Covenant of the Goddess for more information.

Thank you for asking, Didymus. I hope that I have been an adequate source of information, and if not, I am happy to answer any question you may have to the best of my ability.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

I'm sorry you didn't like them. I don't recall any insults to Jesus or God in the books. Would you be willing to provide some examples, so I understand what you mean?

• Harry Potter 7 is stolen directly from Matthew 6, especially Matthew 6:19-24. It's the same story. Albus Dumbledore quotes the Bible word-for-word in placing an inscription on the tomb of his mother and sister, "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also". Making altered versions of the Bible is not allowed: Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19, Psalm 12:6-7.
• You can find 12 more reasons (including scripture) here.

You can burn the books, but again, they are available on the internet, so I'm not sure it would accomplish much towards your purpose.

I suggested burning both the books and the author (once Sarah Palin gives us Biblical laws allowing that). Burning the author means no more soul destroying books. And every book burned saves a child from Hell, so yes, burning those books is very important.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I have great respect for Jesus of Nazareth, and I do know that Harry Potter is not real =)

You have great respect for Jesus, but you just think He was a liar? Deluded? Figment of Mythological Imagination? If you had great respect for the actual Jesus of Nazareth, you would be so very grateful for His temporary sacrifice for your sins, that you would dedicate the rest of your earthly life to serve him as a slave serves her master. If you had actual "great respect," that is.

Witchcraft is highly individualized, but there are commonalities that most Witches agree upon and live by. I suppose it is possible someone could create a belief system surrounding Harry Potter at some point. However, that is equally possible with any story (Peter Griffin founded the Church of the Fonz from Happy Days on Family Guy, if I remember correctly!) and it would be an entirely new and separate religion from Witchcraft as it is established and practiced, both in the past and now.

Well, that doesn't really address my point, though, dear. It confirms what I said, that there is no "real" witchcraft, just what people want to call witchcraft. So then, why are you giving Mr. Thurmond a hard time for identifying Harry Potter witchcraft as witchcraft?

I actually know people who read about Liberaci, lol...

I'm sorry to hear that.

Could you explain to me why people keep comparing Witches to child molesters? I genuinely don't understand the connection?

Child molesters steal a child's innocence. They abuse a child for their own gain. Witches steal a child's innocence by making them think they can control nature by mumbling some words. A child shouldn't be introduced to the kind of dangerous thinking that can only survive by minimizing the value of rational, critical thought, promotion of cognitive dissonance, focusing only on confirmation bias, and assuming magical connections between seemingly unrelated events. A child needs to learn the Good News that they were born in sin and must repent lest they spend an eternity in rightful punishment for their sins.

Actually, because punishment in Hell will last for all eternity, being a witch, and enticing children to follow in those footsteps, is actually worse than rape. Rape lasts for mere minutes to hours. Hell lasts for an eternity.

No metaphor is perfect; but that's just what it is, a metaphor - it is never intended to be literally believed. If I say "The Sahara Desert is a great sea of sand," you should not actually believe that the Sahara is an ocean - it is a comparison to something else to give one a general understanding of the original concept. CS Lewis did something similar with the Chronicles of Narnia. I wouldn't suggest that anyone should believe in Harry Potter as a literal savior or a god.

I meant the writing isn't good. The story isn't good, either. It's quite simple. It's the same quality writing as the Twilight series.

It is after all a children's book, so the writing style is not terribly complex, but I find the simplicity of it makes it unpretentious and somewhat heartwarming; its written from the perspective of a child, and the writing puts you in the mindset of a child, and allows you to watch him grow up through his own eyes. In that way, even as an adult, it can teach us something, because it reconnects us to the childhood we have left behind.

And therein lies the danger. Because a child can identify with this character, they'll develop similar values - disobedience, betrayal, revenge. These values are only good when the LORD directs one specifically, but we never read about that in the books. Instead, Potter acts on his own. Disobedience begets foolishness, dear, and this book promotes foolishness to a huge magnitude.

I have read the Bible, it is indeed full of fantastic stories, and has many wonderful lessons.


Thank you for your kind response Mary, I am coming to understand more about your point of view, and I appreciate your help with that. Blessed be ~

Thank you for your kind words.



I pray the LORD opens your heart, even if it takes the death of a loved one. You seem like a nice person. It would be a shame to think of you suffering in Hell for all eternity because someone duped you into thinking a few incantations actually work.

[Nobar King]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Dear Skyfire,
You must be between the ages of 13 and 16, because you seem to think that you know EVERYTHING, already. Well, you don't. JKRowling didn't write the Bible, GOD did. It might take some time for you to mature and realize the truth about the One True God and His path to salvation for you, and I hope that He doesn't strike you dead before then.

[Skyfire]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

It is witchcraft. Lets say that someone writes a book describing sex with children in an extremely graphic way, and then makes a movie based on that book, and shows hardcore graphic child porn but with special effects. Is that not child porn then?

Hi Ex-Viking, I genuinely don't understand why people keep comparing Witchcraft to child molestation. Can you explain how you all reach that conclusion?

Harry Potter is too far removed from reality to suggest a connection to Witchcraft as it is practiced, now or in the past. A book series such as 'House of Night' might fit your example better, since the rituals practiced in that book are very similar to rituals practiced by Wiccans, but the witchcraft of Harry Potter does not resemble any magical or spiritual practice I have ever heard of.

[Skyfire]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Hi, and welcome to our friendly forums!
So glad you decided to join us!

Nice to meet you =)

Well, you do know Harry Potter is a real character, right? You know he never really existed, right? I know someonw who not only existed, but always has and always will! His name is Jesus, and He wants you to know, love, and serve Him!

I have great respect for Jesus of Nazareth, and I do know that Harry Potter is not real =)

Considering there is no one, objective source of what witchcraft is or isn't, there's really no way for you to make such a claim. Well, of course you can make it, but that doesn't mean it's a legitimate claim. As far as things like fantasy, creativity, imagination, and wonder, we don't take these from our children, we simply inspire wholesome sources of such things. We direct them to the Holy Bible! It's full of fantasy, creatifity, imagination, and wonder! Why, it's the most fantastic Book of All Time!

Witchcraft is highly individualized, but there are commonalities that most Witches agree upon and live by. I suppose it is possible someone could create a belief system surrounding Harry Potter at some point. However, that is equally possible with any story (Peter Griffin founded the Church of the Fonz from Happy Days on Family Guy, if I remember correctly!) and it would be an entirely new and separate religion from Witchcraft as it is established and practiced, both in the past and now.

Eventually, as the word gets out, people will be no more interested in reading Harry Pooter than they are interested in reading Liberaci's autobiography.

I actually know people who read about Liberaci, lol...

Heehee, that's what they say at NAMBLA - "If you only looked at it the way we do, you'd see child rape as rife with Christian values."

Could you explain to me why people keep comparing Witches to child molesters? I genuinely don't understand the connection?

Sorry, but Harry Pooter didn't know that his sacrifice would be temporary, nor did he know that it would work. He is not Jesus. Jesus knew from the very beginning of time because He was there (John 1:1-5). There's no value in believing in Harry Pooter like there is in believing in Jesus. If I don't believe in Harry Pooter, I won't spend an eternity in Hell to serve the righteous wrath of a jealous God.

No metaphor is perfect; but that's just what it is, a metaphor - it is never intended to be literally believed. If I say "The Sahara Desert is a great sea of sand," you should not actually believe that the Sahara is an ocean - it is a comparison to something else to give one a general understanding of the original concept. CS Lewis did something similar with the Chronicles of Narnia. I wouldn't suggest that anyone should believe in Harry Potter as a literal savior or a god.

It's terrible writing (subject/predicate, subject/predicate, subject/predicate).

It is after all a children's book, so the writing style is not terribly complex, but I find the simplicity of it makes it unpretentious and somewhat heartwarming; its written from the perspective of a child, and the writing puts you in the mindset of a child, and allows you to watch him grow up through his own eyes. In that way, even as an adult, it can teach us something, because it reconnects us to the childhood we have left behind.

Friendly pagan, I would encourage YOU to read the Holy Bible! In it you'll find stories that fill the mind with vast imagination (Genesis 6:4), accounts of bravery (1 Samuel 18:25-27), justice (2 Kings 2:23-24), and sacrifice (Judges 11:29-40)

I have read the Bible, it is indeed full of fantastic stories, and has many wonderful lessons.


Thank you for your kind response Mary, I am coming to understand more about your point of view, and I appreciate your help with that. Blessed be ~

[Sammy The Penitent]

Re: 12 reasons Harry Potter should be banned

Dear Skyfire,

I don't read witch.

What's this crap mean?

☼ ☽◯☾ ☼ ~ "And it harm none, do what you will." [-The Witch's Rede] ~ ☼ ☽◯☾ ☼

YIC