[BelieverInGod]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

Love is relevant in God's Word, for He is love! If He wanted us to murder others, why would He say we must love one another, even our enemies!

If you are a Christian you would follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I guess it could be difficult to follow if you support the idea of having intercourse with your daughters.....

You mean teachings like this?

God Hates

Jesus' insults

Perhaps you should try reading what Jesus really said rather than buying all that hippie Jesus Freak garbage.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

So Abraham, who is better known as the father of Faith is burning in hell?

According to Romans 5, yes.

[David iZ Mental]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

You sick cooter. I'm sorry but this is disgusting. I have truly learned today that religion is nothing but trash to sell your kids after having sex with them.

You disgust me you piffleing cooter.

[Hawk]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

I've seen DNA with my own eyes, and I am a Christian.
Impregnating your own daughter is sickening and dangerous.
If you do it, I hope you burn in hell. There's a reason God gave us a natural disgust for sex with our family.

Don't screw your daughter.

Amen brother.

[alexander_st]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

I've seen DNA with my own eyes, and I am a Christian.
Impregnating your own daughter is sickening and dangerous.
If you do it, I hope you burn in hell. There's a reason God gave us a natural disgust for sex with our family.

Don't screw your daughter.

[Hawk]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

Doing whatever God tells us to do.

Yes. You could even kill them with an axe while they are pregnant and still be in right standing with God, just as long as you repent and have faith (Luke 13:3, Ephesians 2:8).

Did you bother to read the scripture I provided? Lot's daughters made him drunk and then had sex with him. That hardly sounds like their father forced them now does it? And everyone knows women are sex maniacs, so force will never be needed. All those so called "rape victims" are just harlots who seduced a man, e.g. with provocative clothing, and then felt guilty and blamed the poor man.

How are respect or love relevant here? All that matters is what the Holy Bible tells us.

Love is relevant in God's Word, for He is love! If He wanted us to murder others, why would He say we must love one another, even our enemies!

If you are a Christian you would follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I guess it could be difficult to follow if you support the idea of having intercourse with your daughters.....

[Hawk]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

Jesus said quite clearly that, "I and my Father are one." in John 10:30.

His statement so rocked the Jews that they took up stones to stone Him.



You do realize that Paul is speaking by permission and not commandment.

Read more closely.
1 Corinthians 7:1-6
1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Paul thought the entire business was gross and disgusting, but if you have to I think you should do it this way, but it's not a hard and fast rule.

Lest you think I am scripture twisting, Paul later says in the same chapter

10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

You can tell the difference between a suggestion and a commandment, can't you?



We are still working on that one. It's a sticky theological issue. We are praying for an answer.



I know! Paul tells us they all went to hell.
Romans 5:12-14 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

So Abraham, who is better known as the father of Faith is burning in hell?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

I would like to know from you as a Christian, what is the definition of sexual immorality?

Doing whatever God tells us to do.

Can I have sex with my 10 daughters and still be in right standing with God?

Yes. You could even kill them with an axe while they are pregnant and still be in right standing with God, just as long as you repent and have faith (Luke 13:3, Ephesians 2:8).

Is God's character not that of purity, holiness, faithfulness, love, etc? Now how will God see a father having forced intimacy with his daughter?

Did you bother to read the scripture I provided? Lot's daughters made him drunk and then had sex with him. That hardly sounds like their father forced them now does it? And everyone knows women are sex maniacs, so force will never be needed. All those so called "rape victims" are just harlots who seduced a man, e.g. with provocative clothing, and then felt guilty and blamed the poor man.

even an unbeliever have enough respect for their children than to defile their bodies like that.......where is the love?

How are respect or love relevant here? All that matters is what the Holy Bible tells us.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

Can you quote scripture where it is says "Jesus is God" or where it says "Trinity" even though we all know it is the truth?

Jesus said quite clearly that, "I and my Father are one." in John 10:30.

His statement so rocked the Jews that they took up stones to stone Him.

(1 Corinthians 7:2) Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

You do realize that Paul is speaking by permission and not commandment.

Read more closely.
1 Corinthians 7:1-6
1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Paul thought the entire business was gross and disgusting, but if you have to I think you should do it this way, but it's not a hard and fast rule.

Lest you think I am scripture twisting, Paul later says in the same chapter

10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

You can tell the difference between a suggestion and a commandment, can't you?

When a father has intercourse with his daughter, will her future husband be impressed that she slept with her father? Why must the daughter be impregnated by the father if there is an abundance of men they can marry?

We are still working on that one. It's a sticky theological issue. We are praying for an answer.

Abraham did not live under the Mosiac Law, but those who lived in the time of the Law was commanded by God to change their lifestyle.

I know! Paul tells us they all went to hell.
Romans 5:12-14 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

[Hawk]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

@Hawk As mentioned in an earlier post, God defines “near kin” so that we will know what He means. Daughter is not listed. Please quote scripture to support your claims.
I did not notice anyone suggesting raping daughters. Can you link to that post please?

Can you quote scripture where it is says "Jesus is God" or where it says "Trinity" even though we all know it is the truth?

(1 Corinthians 7:2) Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

Can a man have intercourse with anyone else other than his wife in this verse? If he does he is sexual immoral! Defiling that which is sacred...

When a father has intercourse with his daughter, will her future husband be impressed that she slept with her father? Why must the daughter be impregnated by the father if there is an abundance of men they can marry?

What you "believe" doesn't seem very reliable. Can you please post scripture supporting this claim?

I Kings 11:3 And he had seuen hundred wiues, Princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wiues turned away his heart.
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Solomon's error was taking an interest in his wives' religions- not the number of wives he married.

King David did not have one wife I Chronicles 3 (notice how I am posting scripture, not just making claims about what I happen to believe?)
Jacob did not have one wife. Genesis 29.

You are quoting New Covenant and comparing it to Old Covenant, this is contradicting, so which Covenant are you under?
Jesus said that he who follows His teachings is His disciples.......

Abraham did not live under the Mosiac Law, but those who lived in the time of the Law was commanded by God to change their lifestyle.

But I am not the one saying that plural marriage is unbiblical.

No, God is! Thank goodness.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

@Hawk As mentioned in an earlier post, God defines “near kin” so that we will know what He means. Daughter is not listed. Please quote scripture to support your claims.

whether they want to or not

I did not notice anyone suggesting raping daughters. Can you link to that post please?

I believe there did come a time where God stopped His acceptance of incest and wanted His people to have one wife.

What you "believe" doesn't seem very reliable. Can you please post scripture supporting this claim?

I Kings 11:3 And he had seuen hundred wiues, Princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wiues turned away his heart.
©1611

Solomon's error was taking an interest in his wives' religions- not the number of wives he married.

King David did not have one wife I Chronicles 3 (notice how I am posting scripture, not just making claims about what I happen to believe?)
Jacob did not have one wife. Genesis 29

But I am not the one saying that plural marriage is unbiblical.

[Hawk]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

I would like to know from you as a Christian, what is the definition of sexual immorality?

Can I have sex with my 10 daughters and still be in right standing with God?

As I have read in this forum I understand there is absolutely no contradictions, so the Word of God is the Truth and will come to pass(.

(LEV 18:6) "None of you shall approach anyone who is near of kin to him, to uncover his nakedness: I am the LORD"
(1 Corinthians 7:2) Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

(Exodus 20:14) 14 “You shall not commit adultery.
(Matthew 5:27-28) 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’
(Matthew 19:18) 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, "“‘You shall not murder.’ ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ ‘You shall not steal.’ ‘You shall not offer false testimony.’
(Hebrews 13:4) 4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: but God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.

(Ephesians 5:3-5) 3 But sexual immorality, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be mentioned among you, as becomes saints;
4 nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not appropriate; but rather giving of thanks.
5 Know this for sure, that no sexually immoral person, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and God.

Is God's character not that of purity, holiness, faithfulness, love, etc? Now how will God see a father having forced intimacy with his daughter?
It was not Lot's desire or idea to impregnate his daughters was it? His daughters had to get him drunk first, because they knew he would not do it with a sober mind, it was them who wanted to be impregnated......you on the other hand seem to have no problem having sex with your daughters whether they want to or not.

You people must be joking, even an unbeliever have enough respect for their children than to defile their bodies like that.......where is the love?

God is love!

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

I'm sorry, I'm not sure where you're going with this.

There are quite a few passages that would be appropriate here, but I will just take this one:

LEVITICUS 18:10 The nakednesse of thy sonnes daughter, or of thy daughters daughter, euen their nakednesse thou shalt not vncouer: for theirs is thine owne nakednesse.
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Adam was the only man in the world,until he had Cain Genesis 4:1 and Adam also had daughters Genesis 5:4 so in order for humans to spread across the face of the earth - eventually even reaching Africa and Australia - there would have to be wives for the men. IF they were not going to marry their sisters, then Adam could produce children with his own daughters until they were sufficiently distantly related to qualify as wives BUT it may be that God's laws regarding incest did not exist then, before The Flood and The Exodus.

At which point I must stop writing. I don't know the answer to that. One of the Pastors will be able to answer the point.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

I'd like to know how you come up with this rubbish... IMPREGNATING YOUR OWN DAUGHTER IS OK WITH GOD? What sort of god are you worshipping? No decent, self respecting, individual is going to F**K HIS OWN DAUGHTER... because what? God thought you were "JUST"?

bull crap...

Well, after extensive biblical research, we have called for a blue ribbon panel to discuss the theological issue that it is not specifically mentioned anywhere in the Bible that you are not allowed to and the fact that Lot fathered two nations with his daughters...

We just don't know. It's a thorny theological issue, indeed.

[Iznadetthi]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36

What would you like to know, young lady?

I'd like to know how you come up with this rubbish... IMPREGNATING YOUR OWN DAUGHTER IS OK WITH GOD? What sort of god are you worshipping? No decent, self respecting, individual is going to F**K HIS OWN DAUGHTER... because what? God thought you were "JUST"?

bull crap...