Christian Parenting/Corporal Punishment Under Attack Again!

[Glendora Christianson]

My heart goes out to John Wilson and Kristie Moore (I hope they're married). Who are in prison for using God's prescribed punishment on their bratty teenagers. And please, don't pay any attention to the liberal media, who portray proper Christian parenting as abuse!

Perhaps we should all pray for this couple?

PS How do you expect to restrain a 15 year old? If handcuffs are used by the police, why can't they be used by parents? And a belt is for toddlers, its certainly kinder than my car antenna!

[Old Man Hatchet]

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And a belt is for toddlers, its certainly kinder than my car antenna!

I'm old-fashioned. I like to use my bare hands when I beat children. Nothing pleases me more than seeing bruises in the shape of my palm and/or knuckles on a wicked child's body. Also, car antennas and belts are just so impersonal.

John Wilson and Kristie Moore will be in my prayers. This is a gross miscarriage of justice, and I am outraged.

[Nobar King]

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Pretty soon, just criticizing your children will be considered abuse.

[Mr. Jingles]

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What about a good old-fashioned caning, like they do in Singapore? That'll teach kids to love the Lord.

[madguitarist]

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As I watch the world that we live in, I wonder why we aren't allowed to spank our kids. I look at the disrespectful little punks that are being churned out, and long for the days when I was young, where any adult that saw you acting up, had the right to take you to the woodshed and beat some respect into you. I guarantee that if these little brats had the same upbringing as I had, that they wouldn't get into the trouble that they do. I do not have a criminal record, nor have I ever had a criminal offense besides speeding, or having my parking meter run out of time. The reason is simple. When I did do illegal things, I made good and sure that I didn't get caught. Why? Because going to jail was the least of my worries. If my parents had to come to the police station to pick me up, sitting on death row would have looked like Heaven on Earth compared to the punishment that my parents would have doled out. Stupid liberal society. When did human rights supercede common sense and teaching people right from wrong?

[Offcr. Albert Martin]

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My heart goes out to John Wilson and Kristie Moore (I hope they're married). Who are in prison for using God's prescribed punishment on their bratty teenagers. And please, don't pay any attention to the liberal media, who portray proper Christian parenting as abuse!

Perhaps we should all pray for this couple?

PS How do you expect to restrain a 15 year old? If handcuffs are used by the police, why can't they be used by parents? And a belt is for toddlers, its certainly kinder than my car antenna!

The Bible says obey secular law, right?

[Glendora Christianson]

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The Bible says obey secular law, right?

Do they really give you live amo? The Bible says to obey secular laws as long as they don't conflict with God's higher laws!

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And God is quite clear about corporal punishment, even deadly force to make a child behave...

Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Also see Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If your son doesn't obey you, have the town's people stone him to death.

As for my car antenna...

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

As far as I'm concerned, folks who can't accept that God beats his children are nothing more than false Christian wannabes with a first class ticket to HELL! ANGRY MOTHER GLYNNDIE

[Offcr. Albert Martin]

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Do they really give you live amo? The Bible says to obey secular laws as long as they don't conflict with God's higher laws!

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And God is quite clear about corporal punishment, even deadly force to make a child behave...

Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Also see Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If your son doesn't obey you, have the town's people stone him to death.

As for my car antenna...

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

As far as I'm concerned, folks who can't accept that God beats his children are nothing more than false Christian wannabes with a first class ticket to HELL! ANGRY MOTHER GLYNNDIE

You may say I'm going to hell, but God's the only one who can judge someone's immortal soul!

[Father Thomas Martin]

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You may say I'm going to hell, but God's the only one who can judge someone's immortal soul!

AMEN BROTHER!

Once again, they take Bible verses out of context to make non-Christian, hateful, abusive doctrines sound Christian...Don't know why God just strikes down one of them already!

[Glendora Christianson]

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AMEN BROTHER!

Once again, they take Bible verses out of context to make non-Christian, hateful, abusive doctrines sound Christian...Don't know why God just strikes down one of them already!

OK so this is where I take more Bible verses out of context (some day someone will have to show me how I do it) and tell someone who worships a false god and studies a false Holy book that GOD wants ME to judge (HE did make me a senior pastor at HIS favorite church).

Deuteronomy 1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Furthermore, GOD wants ME to judge you. Because I am a True Christian, so when I judge you, GOD IS AT MY SIDE!

II Chronicles 19:5 And he set judges in the land throughout all the fenced cities of Judah, city by city,
19:6 And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.

In closing, I will remind all of you that corporal punishment is not just for children (I am reminded of several Bible verses that I might inevitably take out of context) in which the word fool and rod occurs... GROWING ANGRYER GLENDORA

[madguitarist]

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The Bible says obey secular law, right?

Only if it doesn't involve disobeying God. As Mother Glenda pointed out, God tells us that if we do not discipline our children, then it means that we hate them. Now I'll agree that there is a fine line between discipline and abuse, but I don't feel that it's out of line to spank your kid. I disagree with using weapons, and punching or kicking unless the child is fighting back and has the strength to resist, but I don't think it's wrong to put your kid over your knee when talking, time outs, and groundings don't get through to them. Bet your life that if my kid ever made the mistake of calling the cops on me for punishing him/her, I'd be going to jail for homicide, before some petty assault charge. I'd warn my kid beforehand though.

The conversation with my child will be as follows...
It's like this, <insert unborn child's name here>. I won't spank you if you behave yourself, and do what's right. Ephesians 6:1-4 says this...
"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord."

This means that if you do as you are told and do what's right, God will bless you with a long and happy life. The last part of that, means that Mom and I have an obligation to bring you up properly, and teach you right from wrong.

See, it's a two-way obligation. If you misbehave, then you're not only breaking your end of the deal, you're breaking ours for us. In order to fulfill our obligation, we have to teach you to obey.

I hope that we won't have to spank you to do that, but if we have to, we will. Just remember that when we spank you, it's not because we hate you. It's because you've done something wrong repeatedly, or done something so severe, that talking to you, and or using other punishments, have not or would not teach you just how wrong what you did is.

Now...your teachers have probably taught you that you can call the police on mom and I if I spank you. You can do that, but in doing that, you are disobeying us, and dishonoring us. In doing that, you are breaking your obligation to God, and you will go to Hell for it. For failing to teach you, Mom and I might go to Hell too. If you choose to make that happen, then I will go to jail for murder or follow you to Hell swiftly, and you will go to Hell after living a very short life.

Why? Because you are my child and I love you, and couldn't bear to sit in a jail cell, while you ruin your life without your father there to guide you. I can't teach you right from wrong in jail, and therefore, have broken my obligation to God as a parent. I will cry and gnash my teeth before I even reach Hell if things ever come to that, because the Bible also tells us that "Thou shalt not kill.", but if I've already sinned once and damned myself by not rearing you right, then I must at least stop you from prolonging the sinful path that you've chosen. I shall go to Hell with you and burn, for I love you unconditionally, and could not bear to let you suffer alone.

Mom and I love you so much that we would die and go to Hell for you, even if you didn't do anything to deserve our love. Even if you despised us and did everything you could to hurt us, we would still love you, because you are our child. God and Jesus would still love you unconditionally if you did the same to them, but they would also kill you and send you to Hell for dishonoring them.

For this reason, I need you to do what we tell you, and listen to what Mom and I say. I want us to go to Heaven, and be a happy family. We will treat you fairly, but we need you to treat us fairly as well. If you behave, then we won't have to discipline you. No matter what though, we will always love you.

[Father Thomas Martin]

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So you believe that makes it absolutely impossible to ever go to heaven, no matter what you do?

Three words: SACRAMENT OF RECONCILIATION.

[madguitarist]

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So you believe that makes it absolutely impossible to ever go to heaven, no matter what you do?

Three words: SACRAMENT OF RECONCILIATION.

I know that the Lord would forgive me for it if I begged him for forgiveness, but at the same time, if for some unknown reason he didn't, I would understand and accept the consequences of my actions. I doubt very much that it would ever come to that though. I have faith that God will give me the tools that I need to raise my child(ren) properly, and prevent such a terrible thing from even happening. My child will be smart, and will understand what I am saying when the time comes to have that talk with him/her.

[Magikarp]

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So you believe that makes it absolutely impossible to ever go to heaven, no matter what you do?

Three words: SACRAMENT OF RECONCILIATION.

Well yea, there's that.

I do like the celebration part of it. Lots of fun.

[Nobar King]

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The state will always consider itself superior to the individual. The persecution of parents and their right raise their children as they see fit will never end.

Father held daughter in cellar for 24 years


Two police officers lead the man (centre) presumed to be a 73-year-old man who locked up his daughter in a basement for 24 years and fathered seven children with her in Amstetten, Austria. A prosecution spokesman said that Elisabeth Fritzl, 42, had accused her father of "massive crimes"



Sunday, 27 April 2008

A woman has told police that she was held prisoner in a cellar for almost 24 years by her father, who repeatedly raped her and fathered her seven children. Lower Austria police said in a statement that the 42-year-old woman had been missing since August 29, 1984 and was found by police in the town of Amstetten last night following a tip-off.


Franz Polzer, head of the Lower Austrian Bureau of Criminal Affairs, said the 73-year-old father had been taken into custody. In a chronology of events outlined in a statement, police said the woman had apparently sent a letter a month after her disappearance asking her parents not to search for her. During police questioning, she told police her father began sexually abusing her when she was 11 and locked her in a room in the cellar on August 28, 1984.


During the 24 years that followed, she said she was continually abused by her father and gave birth to six children, the statement said. In 1996, she gave birth to twins but one died several days later because it was not appropriately cared for. Her father had then apparently removed the corpse from the cellar and burned it, the statement said.
Police said the woman appeared "greatly disturbed" psychologically during questioning. She agreed to talk only after authorities assured her that she would no longer have to have contact with her father and that her children would be taken care of.



One of her children, a 19-year-old girl, is now in hospital the Lower Austrian town of Amstetten in very serious condition. Police said the father has been arrested but had not confessed. Gerhard Sedlacek, spokesman for the public prosecutor's office in St Poelten, said the surviving children - three boys and three girls - are aged between five and 20.


DNA tests are expected to determine whether paternity of the children.