[Nobar King]

Re: Emo: The Horrifying Truth!

A good Goth party where I can have fun.

Please elaborate. What's fun about a Goth party? Sharing eyeliner tips in the girls bathroom? Doing the 'taffy pull' with 18yr olds on a dark dance floor to recycled Trent Reznor remixes? Trying to convince your GF that drinking blood is a "good idea"?

[Petal]

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At least there isn't a terrorist "Emo Liberation Front" like the Goths have. What are Emos going to do, cry on us?

there be danger there, Mr.Rev. Rodimer! them emos cry so much they could drowned the hole world wiv thier tears an then they would crys some more cuz there be no-one normals left to see them pout an pose, they only have each other, so they trys to out-pout each others, it be a pout-off, an then they all starves to death cuz no-one wanna break thier pout by movings thier mouth to eat, they die happy cuz they miserables an miserables cuz they happy, it be a no-wins situations, an then it be judgemint day, lord God take one look at thier black skinny jeans an big fat pouts an he get confuseds, he gonna thinks they be satan's lollipops so he throw them into hellfires where demons grab them by thier scrawny liddle ankles an use thier heads to unblock hell's toilets cuz there be sucktion in them pouts, them toilets be so sparkly clean that even all the angels in heavens will be impresseds, it true.

[Nobar King]

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Wow, the coriolis effect is sucking my brain right dizzy right now.

[snottyduck]

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Please elaborate. What's fun about a Goth party? Sharing eyeliner tips in the girls bathroom? Doing the 'taffy pull' with 18yr olds on a dark dance floor to recycled Trent Reznor remixes? Trying to convince your GF that drinking blood is a "good idea"?

No no, seems you have the wrong image about the whole Goth party thing. We just hang out, talk, laugh, meet new people, dance. Just having fun in general. There is no blooddrinking involved or any other idiotic stereotypes for that matter. BTW, Trent Reznor?? That era is long gone, I has been years since I heard Nine Inch Nails on a Goth party, the music is quite different now, if you really know the Goth subculture you would have known this.

[Brother_Percy]

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No no, seems you have the wrong image about the whole Goth party thing. We just hang out, talk, laugh, meet new people, dance. Just having fun in general. There is no blooddrinking involved or any other idiotic stereotypes for that matter. BTW, Trent Reznor?? That era is long gone, I has been years since I heard Nine Inch Nails on a Goth party, the music is quite different now, if you really know the Goth subculture you would have known this.

Don't try to fool us, Snotty. We all know what kind of sick perversions go on at these goth parties. Biting heads off bats, drinking urine, eating babies, feeding on retard blood, BDSM rape, play-piercing abuse, Black Masses, sacrificing young virgins, and drugs drugs drugs! It's a non-stop Satanic frenzy of deviant behavior!

Do you think baby Jesus approves of such fiendish depravity?

[snottyduck]

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Don't try to fool us, Snotty. We all know what kind of sick perversions go on at these goth parties. Biting heads off bats, drinking urine, eating babies, feeding on retard blood, BDSM rape, play-piercing abuse, Black Masses, sacrificing young virgins, and drugs drugs drugs! It's a non-stop Satanic frenzy of deviant behavior!

Do you think baby Jesus approves of such fiendish depravity?

Yeah, whatever. Just keep believing in you stupid stereotypes. Tonight I'm going to another party and I will have fun without all your stereotypic b*******.

[Brother_Percy]

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Yeah, whatever. Just keep believing in you stupid stereotypes. Tonight I'm going to another party and I will have fun without all your stereotypic b*******.

Says a man who walks around all day wearing a gas-mask.

There is a cure for that, snotty. It's called soap. You goths should try it sometime.

[Brother_Percy]

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I found THIS rather disgusting concert review of gothic blackmetal band Watain, who bathe in a mixture of lambs, cows and pig's blood before their shows! Then throw buckets of the foul mixture into the crowd! Apparently they're going to be bigger in the scene than Goth King 'Dani Filth'.

Ever wondered why goths smell the way they do? I always assumed it's because they walk around all day wearing black PVC pants, big heavy leather boots, rubber shirts, and long full length leather trenchcoats, even in the height of summer! You can imagine the sweat! But NO, now we find out it's because they wash in the blood of dead animals they sacrifice!

No wonder Snotty wears his gas-mask!

“Actually, it’s a mix of lambs’, cows’ and pigs’ blood,” replies Watain’s tour manager when I ask him for the exact ingredients of the foul cocktail of animal juice the band bathe themselves in before laying waste to any particular wimp venue. “Trust me,” adds Nachtmystium frontman Blake Judd, “it stinks.” Long before any black metal backstage food fight begins, Judd’s band introduces their revamped touring lineup (featuring Goatwhore drummer Zack Simmons) via a set heavy on numbers from last year’s phenomenal Instinct: Decay, which gets more heads bobbing than banging tonight. Despite the band’s incessant touring, it seems most people (at least at the North Star anyway) still don’t know who the hell Nachtmystium are. But on the heels on their recent record deal with Century Media, expect them soon to be bigger than Dani Filth after a run through Old Country Buffet.

...all the lights have dimmed, candelabras decorate the stage and someone’s pumping in enough incense to mask even the gnarliest of cat dumps. Then it hits us—literally. Watain have just heaved a bucket of their barnyard brew into the crowd, which seemingly lands squarely on team dB. And, yeah, it stinks. My hair, face, arms, shirt and pants are drenched, while Mark absorbs direct hits on all of the above, plus globs in the eye and mouth. With the threat of Mad Anything’s disease clearly present, he’s more concerned about the current health of his Cows Orphan’s Tragedy tour shirt. Bless him. But the Swedish black metal battalion isn’t done with us yet. “Satan’s Hunger,” “Legions of the Black Light” and the instant classic title track from this year’s Sworn to the Dark raise the stench of death to toxic levels. And by the time they exhume a cover of “The Somberlain” from spiritual first cousins Dissection, it’s clear that not even Woolite can stop this spread of darkness.

[snottyduck]

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I found THIS rather disgusting concert review of gothic blackmetal band Watain, who bathe in a mixture of lambs, cows and pig's blood before their shows! Then throw buckets of the foul mixture into the crowd! Apparently they're going to be bigger in the scene than Goth King 'Dani Filth'.

Ever wondered why goths smell the way they do? I always assumed it's because they walk around all day wearing black PVC pants, big heavy leather boots, rubber shirts, and long full length leather trenchcoats, even in the height of summer! You can imagine the sweat! But NO, now we find out it's because they wash in the blood of dead animals they sacrifice!

No wonder Snotty wears his gas-mask!

LOL Goth Black metal?? You people come up with this stuff everyday or so it seems. Goth and (Black) Metal don't mix dear boy, the crowd is different, the way of life is different and the background is also very different. I suggest you do some decent reading about the history and differences between the Goth scene and the Metal scene.

BTW, Dani filth, I even wonder if you know the band he plays for, let's give you a hint, it's not a Goth band.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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there be danger there, Mr.Rev. Rodimer! them emos cry so much they could drowned the hole world wiv thier tears an then they would crys some more cuz there be no-one normals left to see them pout an pose, they only have each other, so they trys to out-pout each others, it be a pout-off, an then they all starves to death cuz no-one wanna break thier pout by movings thier mouth to eat, they die happy cuz they miserables an miserables cuz they happy, it be a no-wins situations, an then it be judgemint day, lord God take one look at thier black skinny jeans an big fat pouts an he get confuseds, he gonna thinks they be satan's lollipops so he throw them into hellfires where demons grab them by thier scrawny liddle ankles an use thier heads to unblock hell's toilets cuz there be sucktion in them pouts, them toilets be so sparkly clean that even all the angels in heavens will be impresseds, it true.

Miss Petal, knows your colorful wisdom no bounds?

LOL Goth Black metal?? You people come up with this stuff everyday or so it seems. Goth and (Black) Metal don't mix dear boy, the crowd is different, the way of life is different and the background is also very different. I suggest you do some decent reading about the history and differences between the Goth scene and the Metal scene.

BTW, Dani filth, I even wonder if you know the band he plays for, let's give you a hint, it's not a Goth band.

Mr. Duck, would you care to enlighten us? What IS a Goth Band?

[snottyduck]

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Miss Petal, knows your colorful wisdom no bounds?

Mr. Duck, would you care to enlighten us? What IS a Goth Band?

Well, I'm gonna explain a few things here, of course some will jump at is saying that's it's not true and stuff but they aren't in the Goth scene for about 15 years so...

The beginning of Goth lies somewhere at the end of the 70's, it was originally started to oppose the Punk subculture who's morales and crude appearance was not for everyone very appealing. In the early days you had some bands like Bauhaus and the Sisters of Mercy who defined themselves as something completely different and was soon adopted by the Goth crowed that was already in existence (the Goth way of living existed already (although shortly) before a certain music was coupled to it). The dark sound soon attracted a lot of people and with them came influential bands like Cassandra Complex, Red Zebra, Front 242 and numerous others. But instead of keeping it to one sound the Goth subculture began to evolve because that was the key to keep it alive, the scene learned from the punk subculture that one had to evolve to keep itself going. So when the old-school Goth and Wave began to become obsolete a new genre came to life, know as EBM and some bands earlier bands like Front 242 jumped on the train and took the ride into the late 80's early 90's together with bands like Covenant, Apoptygma Berzerk,... EMB was far more electronic but still had the dark overtone the Goth crowd loved. The lyrics were still overal the same, dealing with various things like love, hate, joy, live and death and so many other topics found in many styles of music. By the mid 90's many different sub-genres had emerged of which some were quite obscure. bands like the mysterious Sopor Aeternus (who up till today never gave any life performance but still sell a ton of CD's) and the more fetish Die Form found welcome greetings in a large part of the Gothic subculture. But as time evolved so did the music and the tone was set to an ever increasing longing for the electronic music and thus Electro-Goth and Industrial was born with pioneers like Sonar (industrial), Grendel (Electro-Goth), Combichrist (Electro-Goth). From there on there was a large overflow of various bands with all there own sounds and styles. especially in the last few years we saw the rising of the so called Terror-Electro (with bands like Hocico), cyber-goth (Xotox, Soman, Heimatearde, Trimetric,...) and the more extreme form like Noise (Institut, Genocide Organ, WinterKalte,...). Where this all will go is still a mystery, the longing to more and more electronic music will certainly generate some new style which is hard to predict now.

What I never understood was the fact why so many people link Goth to Metal. Sure, superficially the looks appear to be the same (black clothings, combat shoes, combat throusers,...) but the sound is so completely different that cross-breeds between Goth and metal are rare, even the so-called Goth Metal attracts a Metal crowd instead of a Goth crowd. And while some may try it out to get a taste of both many choose later on which way of life fits them most. Metal is harder, rawer, some of the lyrics are difficult to understand, even with the booklet of the CD in you hands. And the main difference between Metal and Goth is the fact that metal leans more towards satanic lyrics, while Goth does have some satanic/vampire groups they are rare and not very popular. Black and Death Metal consists mainly out of satanic orientated groups and are therefore the extreme opposite of Goth.

[Brother_Percy]

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Snotty,

It's very interesting how you say cross-breeds between Goth and Metal don't exist. THEN you go onto say that you get Goth Metal, Goth Industrial, Goth Electro, Goth EBM etc etc etc. You're funny!

Now, we know from the interweb that many Goths in Germany and out in Norway listen to black metal. So how do you explain that? We also know by looking at several goth members here (who came on to flame us from VampireFreaks), that Goths also listen to various forms of metal, including the band Dani Filth. As well as other gothic black metal bands such as moonspell, mortis, Kovenant etc etc.

Can you honestly say that you only have your old-school goth music on your ipod? Can you say that you listen to no metal / punk or other alternative music whatsoever? Can you say that all other goths do not listen to any metal / industrial / black metal of any kind? I doubt it.

To be honest, it all sounds the same to me.

Well, I'm gonna explain a few things here, of course some will jump at is saying that's it's not true and stuff but they aren't in the Goth scene for about 15 years so...

The beginning of Goth lies somewhere at the end of the 70's, it was originally started to oppose the Punk subculture who's morales and crude appearance was not for everyone very appealing. In the early days you had some bands like Bauhaus and the Sisters of Mercy who defined themselves as something completely different and was soon adopted by the Goth crowed that was already in existence (the Goth way of living existed already (although shortly) before a certain music was coupled to it). The dark sound soon attracted a lot of people and with them came influential bands like Cassandra Complex, Red Zebra, Front 242 and numerous others. But instead of keeping it to one sound the Goth subculture began to evolve because that was the key to keep it alive, the scene learned from the punk subculture that one had to evolve to keep itself going. So when the old-school Goth and Wave began to become obsolete a new genre came to life, know as EBM and some bands earlier bands like Front 242 jumped on the train and took the ride into the late 80's early 90's together with bands like Covenant, Apoptygma Berzerk,... EMB was far more electronic but still had the dark overtone the Goth crowd loved. The lyrics were still overal the same, dealing with various things like love, hate, joy, live and death and so many other topics found in many styles of music. By the mid 90's many different sub-genres had emerged of which some were quite obscure. bands like the mysterious Sopor Aeternus (who up till today never gave any life performance but still sell a ton of CD's) and the more fetish Die Form found welcome greetings in a large part of the Gothic subculture. But as time evolved so did the music and the tone was set to an ever increasing longing for the electronic music and thus Electro-Goth and Industrial was born with pioneers like Sonar (industrial), Grendel (Electro-Goth), Combichrist (Electro-Goth). From there on there was a large overflow of various bands with all there own sounds and styles. especially in the last few years we saw the rising of the so called Terror-Electro (with bands like Hocico), cyber-goth (Xotox, Soman, Heimatearde, Trimetric,...) and the more extreme form like Noise (Institut, Genocide Organ, WinterKalte,...). Where this all will go is still a mystery, the longing to more and more electronic music will certainly generate some new style which is hard to predict now.

What I never understood was the fact why so many people link Goth to Metal. Sure, superficially the looks appear to be the same (black clothings, combat shoes, combat throusers,...) but the sound is so completely different that cross-breeds between Goth and metal are rare, even the so-called Goth Metal attracts a Metal crowd instead of a Goth crowd. And while some may try it out to get a taste of both many choose later on which way of life fits them most. Metal is harder, rawer, some of the lyrics are difficult to understand, even with the booklet of the CD in you hands. And the main difference between Metal and Goth is the fact that metal leans more towards satanic lyrics, while Goth does have some satanic/vampire groups they are rare and not very popular. Black and Death Metal consists mainly out of satanic orientated groups and are therefore the extreme opposite of Goth.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Thank you for the enlightening reply, Mr. Duck.

I imagine there's something horrible and unGodly about each and every one of those bands, but I admit they're not the ones I expected you to mention . . . like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails, and Rod Stewart.

That last makes my skin crawl. If there's music in Hell, I bet it's his.

[snottyduck]

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Snotty,

It's very interesting how you say cross-breeds between Goth and Metal don't exist. THEN you go onto say that you get Goth Metal, Goth Industrial, Goth Electro, Goth EBM etc etc etc. You're funny!

Now, we know from the interweb that many Goths in Germany and out in Norway listen to black metal. So how do you explain that? We also know by looking at several goth members here (who came on to flame us from VampireFreaks), that Goths also listen to various forms of metal, including the band Dani Filth. As well as other gothic black metal bands such as moonspell, mortis, Kovenant etc etc.

Can you honestly say that you only have your old-school goth music on your ipod? Can you say that you listen to no metal / punk or other alternative music whatsoever? Can you say that all other goths do not listen to any metal / industrial / black metal of any kind? I doubt it.

To be honest, it all sounds the same to me.

Indeed, some might have CD's of several groups but the fact is that they choose a lifestyle, Either they choose Gothic or they choose Metal. And that's the difference. It's the path you follow that's important.

You still seem to confuse a lot of things, like the fact that industrial is not a form of Goth according to you. Well, I gonna tell you one thing, the Goth scene is a scene that has many sub-genres, ranging from old-school Goth to Noise and everything in between. All these sub-genres attract the same crowd, that is Goths. And no, I don't listen to Metal, I listen to Cyber-Goth, Industrial, Noise and many other forms of music that are attached to the Goth scene.

For you it might sound all the same but not for those who are in this subculture. But hey, R&B sounds all the same to me too, but I'm not gonna attack them because I'm not into it and I don't know much about that subculture to begin with.

It's easy to rant and give negative critics on a subculture, especially if you don't know squat about it. Because none of you knows the deal, you people just clamp on to stereotypical images without even trying to understand what's it all about. Goth isn't about sacrificing babies or drinking blood or any other stupid stereotype, it's about having a mutual feeling, to find people who like the same music, share the same thoughts and have the same way of living. And being Goth has nothing to do with hating God or Jesus or worshiping Satan because Goth isn't a religion or a cult, every single Goth makes his own choice in that, just like everybody else does in society.

And 2 more things, Dani Filth's band is Cradle of Filth, it's not because I don't listen Metal that I'm not informed. And Oh, I don't have an Ipod.

[snottyduck]

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Thank you for the enlightening reply, Mr. Duck.

I imagine there's something horrible and unGodly about each and every one of those bands, but I admit they're not the ones I expected you to mention . . . like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails, and Rod Stewart.

That last makes my skin crawl. If there's music in Hell, I bet it's his.

LOL, as explained in my previous post, Goth has nothing to do with Satan, so there's nothing unGodly about it. And yeah, Siouxi and the Banshees, that old-school Goth for sure. Marilyn Manson is just a freak that adapted some Goth features just to look interesting and to shock people but that is how far his Goth thing goes, he's a shockrocker, nothing more. NIN, that's a long way back, they supposed to start the Industrial music scene but frankly I find other bands more influential than NIN. And Rod Steward?? where the link??