[Pinecone]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

As a point of order, Jess Christ did not die temporarily. His remnance in a state of death was a temporary affair, but to die is a singular event, the pivtal point between life and death.

Jesus Christ died, then rose from death, then ascended into heaven.

If you want to highlight the miracle of the ressurection, dimuning his death with a parenthetical remark afterwards is not a fitting tribute.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

Exciting news on the "equality" front:

In this video hosted by CNN, praise is given to a Little League whose officers promote equality.

They found that a 9-year-old pitcher was "too good". He was leading his team to an undefeated season, and the other teams were afraid to try to bat against him! The league officers directed the coach to move little Jericho, the self-absorbed glory-seeker, to another position . . . one to which he was not as well-suited, because the other teams were losing to his greater skill.

The coach, a vicious hater of equality and promoter of radical individualism and egotism, thought it better to have his players do what they're good at.

So, the league took the unexpected but brave move of BANNING the offending team from the league!

It's simply not fair to allow the "talents" of one showoff to ruin the chances at winning for all the other kids. The people who are "better" at one position should be forced to play another position, so everyone else gets a chance, too.

Kudos to this brave Little League's president and officers!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

But Jesus says: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; You conquer them through love, not hate, nor war. So many nations have used God as a way to conquer other nations, each of these so called God countries have fallen, the Spanish and the British used to say that was God`s country, like those before, America will go the same way. God will rebuke America and that world power will be handed to a nation that does not even know his name, China anyone.

Then what do you make of the Scripture verses that Brother Bathfire has quoted? I do hope that you won't turn out to be one of those have-a-nice-day liberal "Christians" who quote little snippets of Scripture out of context to make it look as though the Bible contradicted itself itself (which it certainly doesn't) and as though you get to pick and choose the verses that you like in order to prop up what you wish to believe. We True Christians™ know that the Bible was given to us to be read as a harmonious whole.

[s@ul77]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

Jos:10:10: And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Beth-horon, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.
Jos:10:20: And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities.
J'g:11:33: And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.
J'g:15:8: And he smote them hip and thigh with a great slaughter: and he went down and dwelt in the top of the rock Etam.

So you see, people are to be treated in the way God intends you to treat them.

When God appeared as Jesus, did Jesus say differently?

Lu:19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Certainly a lack of equality there.

But Jesus says: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; You conquer them through love, not hate, nor war. So many nations have used God as a way to conquer other nations, each of these so called God countries have fallen, the Spanish and the British used to say that was God`s country, like those before, America will go the same way. God will rebuke America and that world power will be handed to a nation that does not even know his name, China anyone.

[Ebenezer Wright]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

I don't like religion, I can't believe how you can believe in something that was just written down by someone

Bart, You seem like you really need some help! To say that the Bible was just randomly put together is foolish and shows you know very little about the Bible. The Bible has information about the past, present, and even the future! And it has not been proven wrong yet.

I hope you realize that you're almost as crazy as those piffleing terrorists out there

How are we terrorists? We spread the love of Jesus and show the need to have Him in your life! We do not wear diapers on our heads and blow people up!

We're no better than animals.

When you say humans are no better than animals what do you mean? humans are supreme on this Earth and created in Gods image. Even nasty science shows that humans are way above animals. To say such a thing shows you have very limited intelligence.

cause you live your life according to stupid rules who make life less fun, and for what...NOTHING!

How does following God make life less fun? God prohibits me from murdering, sleeping with other wives, stealing etc. If those are the things that you consider fun, then you need some help.

Atheist retards like you who know nothing about life make me sick, come back when you are ready to stop working for satan!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

You are one sick mofo, where did it go wrong? When you had to say daddy to your brother?

Wow, no wonder you're banned.

I'm not sure if you even read the post, but I can only assume you're one of the low-lifes or retardeds who wants to be called "equal" to normal people.

You baptist christians look like serious wackjobs...If there would be a definition for religious wacks you people would come very close to that.
I don't like religion, I can't believe how you can believe in something that was just written down by someone, but I respect normal people who believe in something and I leave them alone.

...<idiotic rant having nothing to do with the topic>

Just wanted to let this of my chest! Thanx for the ban! I'm not even going to read your responses and I don't wanna be a part of a sick forum like this anyway! Have a nice life! It's the only one you'll ever get!

I guess that means we won't have any opportunity to discuss equality with you -- you know, the subject of this thread, which you completely ignored. Oh, well.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

You don't believe in much do you. Not even paragraphs.

Friend, why are you so angry towards Baby Jesus? He died (temporarily) for our sins. How can you not love such a Person?

[Bart777]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

You baptist christians look like serious wackjobs...If there would be a definition for religious wacks you people would come very close to that.
I don't like religion, I can't believe how you can believe in something that was just written down by someone, but I respect normal people who believe in something and I leave them alone. But I HATE religious fascists like you! People who hate other people for not believing in a lie and for not living their life's like they want it (like you), are so fucked up that it's almost not even funny anymore (I said ALMOST). Why do you wanna push your beliefs on other people? Why do you think you're better cause you believe in things out of some crazy book? That's like still believing in santa! I hope you realize that you're almost as crazy as those fucking terrorists out there. You believe in different things, but you're just as extreme, and I bet you'd love to see all the muslims die right? Gotta love you guys! You're a funny bunch!
How can you actually believe in all this crap? Why do you believe in the bible? There's no proof for a higher power! The mere concept is preposterous. The bible was just written down by another human who couldn't accept that one day we'll day and NOT live anymore, so he made up a story, so that weak people like you could cope with death. And no, I haven't read it, and I'm not going to, cause I don't like a book that tells me how to live my life with absolutely NO proof that what it says is true. If you wanna have some fun, watch Rick Gervais' skit about the bible! It's hilarious! I bet you people would love it! Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I !
I'm a 'sinner'! But guess what? I ain't going to hell! There's no devil. There's no god. There's nothing out there. We're no better than animals. One day we will die and that's it. I am my own god, you probably should worship me, cause I'm awesome!
Anyway, I don't give a shit about all your bullshit threats about eternal damnation...because frankly...it ain't gonna happen people! I'm gonna live happily for the rest of my life! 'Sinning' away! Then I'll die and my life will be done FOREVER and that's it. I'm not going to burn in hell, so don't get your hopes up! You'll die one day too! And you won't go to heaven! There won't be light! There will only be death! FOREVER! You people make me laugh, but at the same time I feel sorry for you, cause you live your life according to stupid rules who make life less fun, and for what...NOTHING!
By the way, heaven would be pretty lonely if only sick fucks like you would go there. I wouldn't even wanna go to heaven if I had to live there with you assholes and according to your boring rules. I guess almost the entire planet is going to hell, except for you idiots! We'll kick all the REALLY bad people like paedophiles, serial killers, terrorist fucks, rapists,...outta hell and into heaven, so they can be with you guys! Than we'll have a big party in hell!
Too bad god, heaven, hell, the devil, angels,...is all a delusion...

Just wanted to let this of my chest! Thanx for the ban! I'm not even going to read your responses and I don't wanna be a part of a sick forum like this anyway! Have a nice life! It's the only one you'll ever get!

[Warrior of God]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

Originally Posted by Warrior of God
It also says 'endowed by their creator'...see, not THE creator...Their creator...and we have to agree that God, the true God, did not make communists and catholics and mooselems, and homos and lezzers. Surely how they all are is the work of Satan, their creator. Satan at least 'creates them as corrupted versions of how proper people are made by God to be.
as God doesn't create all the broken things.

I'm afraid we, and God, would have to disagree with you on this point.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

I wasn't clear enough in my wording. And I am sorry for that. What I was trying to get across was that all the corrupted can not be truly seen as God's creations because the clean sheet God might have had in mind has been doodled all over by satan's hand.
So, although all creation is God's doing , and he Creates the options and possible outcomes , when satan interferes he is like some scientist that dabbles in things they should leave alone.
Like when we saw all those animals with two heads and things that scientists 'created'.
Just like the scientists 'created' those mutant creatures as perversions of God's original item, satan does the same thing to some of God's creations and makes them peereversions that are a new, altered , bad, form of what they were when God allowed them a chance at Glory.
Maybe I am struggling with making wht I mean clear...
But, it's like, All those mooselems are Created (with a BIG 'C'), and then they are interfered with by satan,
so a cross-breed, a hybrid is created (with a small 'c') , that is no longer God's pure Creation..

I will think round this and study it...
I am glad I found this site to help me in deliberating all such matters.

[Antichrist]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

Sister Jenny, I believe that is exactly what Meat Sandwich is saying.

There is no longer a need for "advanced placement" curricula in our schools, as we are all "equal".

There's no need for a "remedial" curriculum, either.

You see, we just need to dumb everything down until everyone -- including the retarded, spastic window-lickers like "Sand-Witch" -- understands.

Anyone caught attempting to surpass the average must be restrained; if someone is allowed to excel, it might damage the self-esteem of one of those who chooses not to excel in the same way. This is bad, very bad. For if we do not all feel good about ourselves by pulling all others down to the same level, we cannot truly function as a cohesive and egalitarian society.

It might make one of the window-lickers feel bad, say, if a so-called "smart" child got a merit scholarship to Landover Baptist University while the window-licker had his application rejected. Therefore, all scholarships should be awarded based upon a lottery system, as should applications to universities.

Rather than the "smart" kids going to the "good" schools, a random selection will ensure that every school has a fair and equal distribution of all types of students. An identical hiring process for teachers will distribute teachers equally among schools. Thus, no school will be "better" than another, and no school will be "worse". They will all be perfectly average in all ways.

What of those who try to show themselves superior? What of the show-offs, like that medal-winning Phelps fellow?

Well, we can take care of them, don't you worry.

Anyone found to be "showing off", whether in sports, or education, or business, or creativity, must be sent to re-education facilities. This is evidence of a runaway ego, and MUST be controlled. Showing off is not permitted, as it encourages others to either attempt to emulate the behavior, or to feel bad about themselves for not choosing actions which will attract such attention to themselves.

You are one sick mofo, where did it go wrong? When you had to say daddy to your brother?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

It also says 'endowed by their creator'...see, not THE creator...Their creator...and we have to agree that God, the true God, did not make communists and catholics and mooselems, and homos and lezzers. Surely how they all are is the work of Satan, their creator. Satan at least 'creates them as corrupted versions of how proper people are made by God to be.
as God doesn't create all the broken things.

I'm afraid we, and God, would have to disagree with you on this point.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

[Warrior of God]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

Quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ].

I had to pause and wonder whether this sentence needed to be looked at in a way that remembers context.

It was written at a time when a colony was in revolt against a King. Now no matter the rights and wrongs of either side, the fact remains that the people writing those lines needed an awful lot of other people, who probably might not have been as bright, or even as equal as those writing it, to take up arms and get between them and a whole load of Redcoats.
That might have been fair motivation to sell an idea to a bunch of people that were expecting to get paid a fair days pay for a fair days fighting, and the coffers weren't all that full.
At the time the writers probably weren't all that bothered what colour , creed, race, religion, or mental state , those people were , as long as they could shoulder a musket/rifle.
Might it have been a case of 'needs must'...
Let's face it , if things are a little shaky we might offer the kindness of words people need to hear, as an act of comfort and encouragement.

or alternatively...
Possibly the words are true but within the context that applies to each person.
Maybe where they come from , everyone is created equal etc, but equal with everyone else from where they come from.
That would make sense.
I sort of 'met' quite a few Iraqi's and assorted islamics over the years, and they are certainly all equal with each other...however , it is stupid to say they're equal to me as , well, I am still here and intent on God's work.
They aren't..so they can't be equal to me, and the definitiely aren't persuing anything except the devil's hindquarters.
That means I will be meeting more Iraqi's , islamics , and such, and helping them be equal to the one's I met over the years.
Even the kit we use demonstrates what I mean.
I tend to prefer an Accuracy International L96A1 ,or variant,...Most of my competition opted for a Drugenov, which will do the job ok .
But, compared to the L96, it is crude and , frankly just a little primitive.
But so were the designers.
But a Drugenove is equal to a Drugenove , if you follow my thinking.
Maybe all Catholics are created equal , with other catholics...
maybe all homos are equal, with other homos,
lezzers with other lezzers...
maybe you get my point.
Maybe it even means that those not born in a well provided for situation are equal, with others that share their plight.
I once even read that the words were changed, and it originally read 'life , liberty, and the persuit of property.'
So that would mean everyone had an equal chance to try for them, but only the better ones would get them...
If it had meant everyone had to have an equal share of everything, well that would be silly...
plain daft, that would be communistic , and this is America we are talking about here. Obviously the two just do not belong together.

It also says 'endowed by their creator'...see, not THE creator...Their creator...and we have to agree that God, the true God, did not make communists and catholics and mooselems, and homos and lezzers. Surely how they all are is the work of Satan, their creator. Satan at least 'creates them as corrupted versions of how proper people are made by God to be.
as God doesn't create all the broken things.
So that would mean all the tainted are equal with one another, and have an equal shot at hell.
all the average folks are equal, just by being average and staying that way keeps them equal.
and all the Goodly God fearing righteous folk, they all start out with an equal chance at the winning tape.
Just a few thoughts...

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

And it is telling you not to treat people differently because of who they are, full stop.

No, no, no! The Lord has taught us that there are those we do treat differently:

Jos:10:10: And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Beth-horon, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.
Jos:10:20: And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities.
J'g:11:33: And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.
J'g:15:8: And he smote them hip and thigh with a great slaughter: and he went down and dwelt in the top of the rock Etam.

So you see, people are to be treated in the way God intends you to treat them.

When God appeared as Jesus, did Jesus say differently?

Lu:19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Certainly a lack of equality there.

I begin to think that you are no Christian.

[s@ul77]

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And it is telling you not to treat people differently because of who they are, full stop.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

Job 34:19: Yet He is not partial to princes, Nor does He regard the rich more than the poor; For they are all the work of His hands.

Yes, they are all the work of His hands, but His hands work in different ways on different people:

Romans 9:20-21: Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?