[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

Anyone with common sense would know it's not. The only "ancient"religion is Paganism, which is what Wicca branched out from.

Moon

You're both right and wrong, it comes from paganism allright..
That is, Gnostic "Christian" paganism and idolatry!

Wicca is just the latest in a long line of cherry-picking salad bar religions mostly followed by angst-ridden zit-faced teenagers.
God hates wicca for the pathetic attempts at witchcraft it promotes..
And for the lousy attempts to lead people away from Christ and eternal Salvation!
So far however, wicca has failed to draw any non-retarded persons, so that's not really a big loss though.

God hates retards (that's why He made them retarded), as we all know.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

Anyone with common sense would know it's not. The only "ancient"religion is Paganism, which is what Wicca branched out from.

Moon

Surely no religion is older than 6,000 years anyway, so it's all a bit academic?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I'll tell you, Rach: it's the rise of secular liberal humanism! Yes, Rach, it's not Christianity, not Paganism, not Wicca, not Islam, not Buddism, etc, etc, it is the rise of secular liberal humanism on the back of science (including medicine of course). Children have the rights that they have today and are protected much more in modern society because of the rise of science and secular liberal humanism. Gays have the rights they have today because of the rise of science and secular liberal humanism. Blacks have the rights they have today because of the rise of secular liberal humanism. Women have the rights they have today because of the rise of secular liberal humanism. This last one was a serious mistake, but illustrates the point that you are going to raise -- that science and secular liberal humanism has it's limitations. It does; and there are still improvements that could be made for children, gays, blacks, and even women: but it is much better than the alternatives.

Ah, so Hairy the Homer admits that everything wrong in America is due to those damnable Secular Humanists!!

Well, at least you can admit it!

[MoonFlower]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

You 'remeber' do you?

The fact is, OYK was right about those dates. Are you also one of those people who thinks Wicca is an ancient religion?

Anyone with common sense would know it's not. The only "ancient"religion is Paganism, which is what Wicca branched out from.

Moon

[Loser_seed (Quarantined)]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

*Sigh*

I don't mind too much that I'm wrong about the the whole thing. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I don't care any more! I'll just have to read up some more. I should just let go to to all the bad feelings.

[Hairy Homer]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

You 'remeber' do you?

The fact is, OYK was right about those dates. Are you also one of those people who thinks Wicca is an ancient religion?

Wicca as practised today by the likes of Mooniepie would seem to be a phenomenon that started in the sixties.

This used to be referred to as Eclectic Wicca, to distinguish it from:

Alexandrian Wicca
Blue Star Wicca
Correllian Nativist Church (Correllian Wicca)
Dianic Wicca (Feminist witchcraft)
Faery Wicca
Gardnerian Wicca
Kemetic Wicca
Odyssean Wicca
Seax-Wica

Gardnerian Wicca was a form of "lineaged" Wicca, which required initiation into a coven after being introduced by a coven member. It was exclusive and secretive. Gardner claimed it was not his own idea but simply a contiuation and revival of European Paganism.

Curiously, people like to claim that he invented it in the 50s because the material he worked from (his claims to have been initiated into a covern by Dorothy Clutterbuck or a mysterious woman called Dorfa [or something] are questionable) was patchy and he added bits of his own. I think they like to do this because to say that it was begun only 50 odd years ago seems to make it less valid a religion.

Ironically, others argue that all his material was pinched from other sources like Crowley and other bits and pieces. The hippy Wiccanism of Moonflower and Co (Ecletic Wicca) is not necessarily something that Gardner would approve of. That Wicca and Christianity itself is all pinched from ancient paganism is not surprising. Religion is religion is religion; a common thread runs through them all.

But Rach, old thing, what do you, as a person who is much opposed to child brides, the exploitation of women, and cruelty generally, I suppose (unless it is sacrificing cats to the horned one -- sorry, I can't help myself),think it is that makes modern western society more civilised than what went on in the dark ages or the middle ages or in Mohommad's time?

I'll tell you, Rach: it's the rise of secular liberal humanism! Yes, Rach, it's not Christianity, not Paganism, not Wicca, not Islam, not Buddism, etc, etc, it is the rise of secular liberal humanism on the back of science (including medicine of course). Children have the rights that they have today and are protected much more in modern society because of the rise of science and secular liberal humanism. Gays have the rights they have today because of the rise of science and secular liberal humanism. Blacks have the rights they have today because of the rise of secular liberal humanism. Women have the rights they have today because of the rise of secular liberal humanism. This last one was a serious mistake, but illustrates the point that you are going to raise -- that science and secular liberal humanism has it's limitations. It does; and there are still improvements that could be made for children, gays, blacks, and even women: but it is much better than the alternatives.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I'm going to throw marshmallows at you while not giveing you a hug! lol.

*Sigh*

[Loser_seed (Quarantined)]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I'm not bashing you. OYK is not bashing you. No one's bashing you. I'm merely telling you that OYK is right about what he's saying, and if you say that he's wrong, well, I'm sorry, but that's wrong.
Sheeesh, what is it with fluffies and thinking that they are being 'bashed' anytime anyone tries to simply tell them what reality is??


Oh my, how frightening!
Are you going to throw marshmallows at me? Maybe deny me a hug? Oh, gods spare me!

I'm going to throw marshmallows at you while not giveing you a hug! lol.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

No, I don't. from what I know some guy made it from all these diffrent things arould 50 years ago. That's what I know to be true, and what I have heard. Don't try to bash me if I'm wrong.

I'm not bashing you. OYK is not bashing you. No one's bashing you. I'm merely telling you that OYK is right about what he's saying, and if you say that he's wrong, well, I'm sorry, but that's wrong.
Sheeesh, what is it with fluffies and thinking that they are being 'bashed' anytime anyone tries to simply tell them what reality is??

If you do, then I won't reply, because I'm not in the mood right now. If you don't, and say that I am, then I will gladly reply.

Oh my, how frightening!
Are you going to throw marshmallows at me? Maybe deny me a hug? Oh, gods spare me!

[Loser_seed (Quarantined)]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

You 'remeber' do you?

The fact is, OYK was right about those dates. Are you also one of those people who thinks Wicca is an ancient religion?

No, I don't. from what I know some guy made it from all these diffrent things arould 50 years ago. That's what I know to be true, and what I have heard. Don't try to bash me if I'm wrong. If you do, then I won't reply, because I'm not in the mood right now. If you don't, and say that I am, then I will gladly reply.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I know my facts, too. I read about Buddha, and remeber most of it.

You 'remeber' do you?

The fact is, OYK was right about those dates. Are you also one of those people who thinks Wicca is an ancient religion?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I do know what I'm talking about on Buddha, but you keep on pushing that I don't.

I know my facts, too. I read about Buddha, and remeber most of it.

Either you know about Buddha and are intentionally posting lies, or you do not know about Buddha.

Either you know about Buddha and lied that a Hotei statue is of Buddha, or you do not know the difference. (You actually confessed that you lied to "have fun", establishing that you are a liar.)

Either you know Buddha was born about 400-500 BC and lied saying 4,500 years ago (2,500 BC), or you do not know when Buddha was born.

You are either a liar or ignorant and bluffing in an attempt to confuse us.

I'm not going to bother asking yet again which it is, since you have promised not to respond.

[Loser_seed (Quarantined)]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I wouldn't be so rude to OYK, Lunar. He may be a nutty xtian but he is quite knowledgeable.
He isn't saying these things to get under your skin, he's telling you what the facts are.

I know my facts, too. I read about Buddha, and remeber most of it.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I do know what I'm talking about on Buddha, but you keep on pushing that I don't. Now I'll leave it at that. I won't say anything more, and back away. If you make another post on how I don't know my stuff, then I'll won't reply to you.

I wouldn't be so rude to OYK, Lunar. He may be a nutty xtian but he is quite knowledgeable.
He isn't saying these things to get under your skin, he's telling you what the facts are.

[Loser_seed (Quarantined)]

Re: Why can't we be friends?

I do know what I'm talking about on Buddha, but you keep on pushing that I don't. Now I'll leave it at that. I won't say anything more, and back away. If you make another post on how I don't know my stuff, then I'll won't reply to you.