Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists
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Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists
1. The universe has such a flawless design that it necessitates a creator, and the Christian God is the only one who could have done that.
Uh, no. In an infinite universe of infinite possibilities, it had to happen somewhere. Regardless, even if it WAS created, any other god could have done it. Horus, Shiva, et cetera. Your god is no better than any other of the fictitious fabrications of man's superstition.
2. Every story in the Bible is backed up 100% by archeology, so the Bible was obviously inspired by the creator of the universe.
Not true. Humans have existed for millions of years. Oral histories and exaggerated myths made by MAN are what the bible is. Sure, it may be "inspired," but I can write a novel "inspired" by aliens made of fruit, and that doesn't make it true.
3. Every single prophecy in the Bible has come true. David accurately predicted Jesus would have his flesh torn by dogs, Micah accurately predicted the name of the place Jesus would be born when he stated the name of the clan he would come out of. Isaiah accurately predicted that Jesus would be born of the Virgin Mary when He said Immanuel would be born of a young woman. Jesus fulfills every prophecy in the Old Testament, because the New Testament says so, even parts of the Old Testament that don't sound to be prophecies at all.
Were you THERE to see them come true? Using the bible as proof of ANYTHING is a logical fallacy, called an Appeal to Authority. Justbecause so-and-so says something happened doesn't make it a fact. Aside from that, the bible was written AFTER any of those prophecies happened. It could have been falsified.
4. The Bible has so many manuscripts, and all of them exactly the same, that you cannot doubt the reliability of the Scripture and must accept every word of it as true.
The world has so many religions, and all of them are exactly the same.
So they had copies of the bible. Big fucking deal.
5. Belief in God is the only logical worldview.
Not if you have a brainstem and an IQ over 103. We actually have the evidence to support evolution.
Also, "Belief in God is the only logical worldview" is an opinion, not a fact, and is therefore not proof of anything. Prove me wrong.
6. It's better to play on the safe side and pretend God exists even if you don't really believe in Him, in case He does exist and will send you to hell for not believing.
At the same time you'd be wasting your life at church doing things you don't even understand all because you have blind faith in a sacred text you haven't even read cover to cover. Why not remove yourself from your inhibitions, and actually live life the way YOU want to, and not how some fictional deity tells you to?
7. Jesus was either lying, crazy, or really God. As the Bible says Jesus was not lying or crazy, He must have really been God.
The bible also says that you should kill people who have premarital sex, don't follow christianity, or who happen to be homosexuals. That's 95% of the world.
8. The Bible says the Bible is true, therefore it is.
If you think a statement like THAT is true, then I say I'm a magical wizard who had a canteloupe for a feet. It MUST be true. I just said it was.
Retards.
9. The Bible is UNIVERSALLY regarded as the "Good Book" (if you only count decent people).
I'm sure the Iraqis will tell you the same thing about the Koran.
10. Without God, people turn into immoral, cruel, sadistic monsters.
Not true. Atheists do good things daily not because they feel like they'll be punished, but because they feel it's right. Your Holocausts and Spanish Inquisitions and Crusades moot this entire point. As far as the world in its entirety is concerned, YOU are the immoral fuckers.
11. All morality comes from the Christian God as described in the Bible. Non-Christians are immoral.
No, morality comes from a sense of what is right and wrong. God has nothing to do with it.
12. Our personalities prove that God is real.
How? Our personalities are based on psychology. We are shaped from birth and become the people we are through our upbringing. Our personalities don't show us god. Therefore they are not proof.
13. Jesus' resurrection is real because ancient legend tells us that the 12 Apostles were martyred for their faith. There is no other explanation for the story in the Bible except 1) it's completely true, or 2) it was an intentional hoax.
It was an intentional hoax.
Look up the stories of the Egyptian god Horus and the Hindu god Mithra. They were born on December 25th, were executed and were resurrected.
Those stories predate Christianity. Me: 13 You: 0
14. Jesus radically changed the world.
Well no shit, but that's doesn't make god real.
15. All intelligent people believe in the Christian God.
You might need to look up the word "intelligent."
I'll even give you solid evidence as to why you're a bunch of idiots.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ve-in-God.html
16. So many people believe in God, it is arrogant to suggest otherwise. (note: this does not apply to the God's of other religions)
Just because there are more people believing something doesn't make it more true. It just means more people shouldn't be breeding and adding their stupidity to the gene pool.
17. Life must have an origin, and so that origin must be God, as described in the Bible.
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we've CREATED the building blocks of life in LABORATORIES.
18. The Second Law of Thermodynamics proves evolution is not so.
"Heat generally cannot flow spontaneously from a material at lower temperature to a material at higher temperature."
This doesn't disprove evolution. It COULD disprove the Big Bang, but science has already ruled that out.
19. The Bible alone, of all the world's "holy" books (note: only the Bible is really Holy, the rest is inspired by Satan) contain such detailed prophecies of future events.
No, all the sacred texts do.
From the Koran on 9/11:
For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a
fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands
of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more
rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there
was peace.
I think that's pretty damn accurate.
20. The Bible (interpreted as per historic Christian orthodoxy) cannot be challenged on any basis as the sole, final truth-standard (Galatians 1:8)
Yes it can. Here I am, challenging it. Pix or it didn't happen.
21. Is it absolutely true that "truth is not absolute" or only relatively true that "all things are relative?"
What the fuck does that have to do with god?
22. Unbelief in God is actually unwillingness to submit to Him.
I tried. I really did. But my intelligence, logic, and reasoning skills got the better of me.
23. Without God, people have no adequate sense of meaning and purpose, therefore God is real.
I will decide my purpose. Not god.
24. People who convert to Christianity have radically changed lives (but people who convert out of Christianity do not)
Sure they do. I was a godfearing man once. So uptight and unwilling to stretch my comfort zones. But then I realized that christianity is a cult. And I'm now free of it. Regardless, the phrase "People who convert to Christianity have radically changed lives" is not proof of anything. It is yet another opinion.
25. The Bible has no contradictions, and even the stuff that looks like contradictions can be explained if you look hard enough for a way to reconcile them.
No, they can be explained if you decide on the conclusion FIRST, then look for scraps of evidence to support only your conclusion, and throw out the rest of the evidence.
26. Hundreds of scholarly books carefully document the veracity and reliability of the Bible. There is no scholarly evidence against the Bible.
Name one.
27. The Bible has survived and even flourished in spite of centuries of worldwide attempts to destroy and ban its message. Obviously, the Bible is indestructible because God wrote it.
No, it's indestructible because idiots like you cling to it and throw a bitchfit whenever anyone disagrees with you. Hitler was a Christian.
28. Ut is absurd to try to speak or even conceive of a non-existent 'God' when an existing God would, by definition, be greater.
that "existing" god would have to exist and you would have to prove it. your god is non-existent, therefore he is inferior to the truth.
29. Christianity is the ONLY religion whose leader is said to have risen from the dead (counting only current, popular religions)
oh, counting only "current, polular religions," hm? Because the Egyptians and the Hindus predate Christianity by hundreds of years.The most "current" religion is Scientology, and before that, the Latter Day Saints. Being current has nothing to do with it, and neither does being popular, you pretentious fuck.
30. How do you explain the empty tomb of Jesus in light of all the evidencethat has now proven essentially irrefutable for twenty centuries?
I say someone either stole his bleeding corpse and buried it elsewhere, or it never happened and your bible lied again.
31. Because the Bible says Jesus was real, that He was crucified and that there were guards posted at His tomb, it is certainly impossible that Jesus survived the crucifixion and escaped the tomb, and therefore the Resurrection is necessarily true.
You're a dumbass. You're using that Appeal to Authority again.
32. The authorities would not have stolen Jesus' body, therefore the Resurrection is true.
Who said the "authorities" would have done it? Any bloke could have fucking done it.
33. If Jesus did not actually die and rise from the dead, how could He (in His condition) have circumvented all of the security measures in place at His tomb?
He didn't. He died and is still dead.
34. One verse in a letter of Paul says that 500 people saw Jesus. Obviously, they did, so God is real.
Oh, so I suppose you were THERE? And you SAW this happen? Somehow I doubt that.
35. If all of Jesus' claims to be God were the result of His own self-delusion, why doesn't the Bible evidence lunacy in any other areas of His life?
You mean like in that one portion of the Apographa where Jesus killed a little boy by pushing him off a roof? Oh, hell, no. He's not insane AT ALL.
36. If God is unchanging, wouldn't it be true that one who changes by suddenly “realizing” that he/she is “God” therefore isn't God?
No. Nothing changes because god doesn't exist. Again, cite your sources and give me some evidence.
37. People don't believe in God only because of their own personal problems.
Not proof of god's existence.
People only believe in god because they can't change their comforting worldview and need a mental crutch to remain sane. They can't handle the fact that there is no afterlife and there is no higher power.
38. The 35-40 men who wrote the Bible over a span of 1500 managed to write a unified message (as I said, the Bible never contradicts itself), therefore God inspired them.
Are you kidding me? THe bible contradicts itself SO MANY TIMES, it's hilariously retarded.
"EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen."
"JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
I just gave you two. There are SO MANY more, though. Give it a look.
39. The Declaration of Independence says, "all men are endowed by their Creator..." therefore God is real.
Or by their parents, who had consensual sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation and reproduction.
40. Science is just another (false) religion.
If it's false, then why is it all proven to be true? Riddle me THAT. YOu're on your Computer, aren't you? Yeah, science gave you that. You drive your car, you talk on your cell phone, you help your twelve-year-old make a volcano out of baking soda and vinegar for school... all of that is because of science. And it is actually here.
41. What do you make of all the anthropological studies indicating that even the most remote tribes show some sort of theological awareness?
They didn't. They didn't understand the world they lived in, so they made shit up. That's how religions start.
42. Why subscribe to the incredible odds that the tilt and position of our planet relative to the sun are merely coincidental, considering how small the universe is? Isn't it much more likely the Bible is correct in saying the sun revolves around a flat earth?
The Hubble Telescope. You've heard of that, right? and all those countless other telescopes we've put into space? We can SEE the earth for what it is. A sphere. We've been on the moon. we've visited mars. you're a retard if you think the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth.
Also, how can the sun revolve AROUND the earth if the earth is FLAT, you arrogant piece of shit?
43. If every effect has a cause, and if God Himself is the universe (i.e. is one with the universe, as some non-Christians suggest), what or who then caused the universe? Don't you realize that God must have created it?
Who cares?
44. It's impossible to argue against atheists because no matter how much logical evidence you show them, they will continue in their delusion of disbelieve.
I have seen no logic in this whole thing. You base your facts on a bible, which insists upon itself. Logical fallacies and raped altar boys everywhere.
45. All prayers (of good people) are answered, therefore God exists.
Name one. And give evidence.
46. More people believe in Christianity than any other religion, so it must be true.
I've already disproved this point.
Mass =/= truth.
47. All (good) people are healed from diseases.
No they're not. Give me proof.
48. The Bible is 100% scientifically accurate.
No, it's not. Give me your evidence.
I'll give you some of mine.
Lightning, diseases, floods, earthquakes, spots on a leopard, the shape of the earth...
we know what all of this is. Back when the bible was written, they did not understand any of this. So they attributed it to god.
49. As we see, all good Christians are prosperous, healthy, and happy (and vice versa). All bad heathens are poor, sick, and miserable (and vice versa). Clearly, God exists.
Not true. My father is a Christian, and he cheated on three wives and almost committed suicide.
50. There has never been any claims of people from other religions having their prayers answered, so Christianity is the only right religion.
None of your prayers have been answered, either. GO ahead, pray for god to smite me. It won't happen. Also, banning doesn't count as smiting.
I just proved all o you wrong. Good day.
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Jack its time to take a stand DO YOU LOVE JESUS? If not move on.Originally posted by gm jack View PostLeave a comment:
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Well, the predicted properties of the Higgs boson (the particle responsible for gravity, in theory) may be uncovered by the LHC, as it is resuming work.Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
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It seems so clear. God must exist. You know, we are now talking each other - proof that God exist. If God doesn't exist, we probably never exist. unfortunately there are so much ignorant dumbs in this thread who probably don't want to see God exist. Blindness. The cure is however God, Bible and Jesus legacy.
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Really? So since your "scienticians" are still trying to figure out what gravity is and how it works, they are all uneducated?Originally posted by GodlyPurse View PostLeave a comment:
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This is the exact response of an uneducated person.Originally posted by Heathen_Basher View PostLeave a comment:
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As opposed to the Bible said so? All distinguished scientists do so by writing papers, detailing the experiments they have done and why they make the conclusions they have.Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
Actually, time can be considered a dimension. As we are 3 dimensional beings, be can only see one 3 dimensional reality at a time, but over time, that 3 dimensional reality changes as it moves through the 4th dimension (time). It's a bit of an abstract concept, but it's implications can be proven and measured. If you want, I can start explaining the theory, but I suspect it would be a lot of effort for minimal return.First off, there is no such thing as a "4th dimension" except as a concept used in science fiction films. When the Star Wars people flew to lightspeed they entered the 4th dimension. Quit looking to George Lucas for scientific information.
There are only 3 dimensions. One dimension is a straight line. Two dimensions is a square. Three dimensions is a cube. Can you draw anything more dimensional than a cube? It's impossible. All you make is a bigger cube.
Furthermore, "space-time" is a ridiculous concept. How can space = time? Space is space...the distance between objects. Time is time...how long something lasts. They are two seperate ways of measuring things. You can measure how far apart something is (space) or you can measure how long it lasts (time)? It makes as much sense as coming up with something called space-weight, or temperature-time.However, the idea explains things which a separate time and space model could not. Einstein's work on relativity showed how time and space are irrevocably linked. For example, it explains why gravity is able to slow down light, despite light not having any mass.The math looks complicated but its actually very simple. You have 1 part Carbon Dioxide (CO²) and 2 parts Water (H²O). You also show your lack of chemistry knowledge by writing Carbon Dioxide as CO2 when it should be CO². Since you can't write proper formulas, how can we trust the rest of your chemical theories?
I can. I did part of the experiments in my final year of school. None of it is actually that hard conceptually, but was just hideously tricky to refine in the first place.All this scientific mumbo-jumbo looks impressive, but can you prove it?
No. That is not forcing and chemical change between the two. As he described above, initially, the formation of glucose form water and carbon is unfavourable energetically, so requires an input of energy. However, due to a lovely little thing called the sun, photons are able to provide this energy. However, it can only occur via the the very specialist pathway provided for by the enzymes in the chloroplasts, which drastically require the energy needed for the reaction.What I am understanding is that if you take Carbon Dioxide and mix with Water you get Glucose? No. Glucose is a sugar. What you get instead is carbonated water, and certainly plants don't produce Dr. Pepper so once again your logic fails.
Someone else asked how fast a photon moves, so he gave the correct answer.I have no idea how light speed came up in this discussion.Leave a comment:
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No response?
Checkmate, atheist scum.
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There is a lot of misleading "science" in this, and most of it is really just vague assumptions, ignorance of common sense, and believing things just because a "distinguished scientist said so" (appeal to authority).
First off, there is no such thing as a "4th dimension" except as a concept used in science fiction films. When the Star Wars people flew to lightspeed they entered the 4th dimension. Quit looking to George Lucas for scientific information.Originally posted by steinarey View Post
There are only 3 dimensions. One dimension is a straight line. Two dimensions is a square. Three dimensions is a cube. Can you draw anything more dimensional than a cube? It's impossible. All you make is a bigger cube.
Furthermore, "space-time" is a ridiculous concept. How can space = time? Space is space...the distance between objects. Time is time...how long something lasts. They are two seperate ways of measuring things. You can measure how far apart something is (space) or you can measure how long it lasts (time)? It makes as much sense as coming up with something called space-weight, or temperature-time.
The math looks complicated but its actually very simple. You have 1 part Carbon Dioxide (CO²) and 2 parts Water (H²O). You also show your lack of chemistry knowledge by writing Carbon Dioxide as CO2 when it should be CO². Since you can't write proper formulas, how can we trust the rest of your chemical theories?Listing all reactants and products, photosynthesis can be described as:
6 CO2 + 12 H2O → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O
All this scientific mumbo-jumbo looks impressive, but can you prove it?Photosynthesis is a lot more complicated than the simplified diagram above. Actually, photosynthesis doesn't actually produce glucose; rather, it produces a 3-carbon compound which is a precursor to glucose. In addition, there are a couple different chemical pathways that plants utilize in different situations (see C3, C4, and CAM plants). In autotrophs, there are organelles within each plant cell called chloroplasts. Chlorophyll is a protein associated with a metal (magnesium). Chlorophyll absorbs energy (photons) from the sun and combines ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) with a phosphate group to form ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) in a process called phosphorylation. ADP + Phosphate + energy → ATP
What I am understanding is that if you take Carbon Dioxide and mix with Water you get Glucose? No. Glucose is a sugar. What you get instead is carbonated water, and certainly plants don't produce Dr. Pepper so once again your logic fails.This ATP has more energy than ADP. This extra energy is used by a number of other enzymes which build glucose molecules (C6H12O6 above) via the Calvin cycle of photosynthesis.
I have no idea how light speed came up in this discussion.And photons go at the speed of light, which is relative to where it is. But in a vacuum Its value is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second, often approximated as 300,000 kilometres per second or 186,000 miles per second.
There you go...
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How does the Bible explain these things then?Originally posted by Heathen_Basher View Post
Look kid, I think you've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek. We aren't here to talk about your ridiculous lies, we are here to discuss only solid, hard truth (the Bible).Leave a comment:
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No problem: Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."Originally posted by steinarey View PostLeave a comment:
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Originally posted by steinarey View Post
Look kid, I think you've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek. We aren't here to talk about your ridiculous lies, we are here to discuss only solid, hard truth (the Bible).Leave a comment:
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If you took about 3 science classes, you would know.Originally posted by Heathen_Basher View Post
Gravity is caused by what is called "space-time", a term coined by Einstein.
That is: Time is the 4th dimension and when heavy objects, with a great mass that is, are in existence they bend that space-time which makes things that are lighter go in the curves which are formed by the dent the heavy objects make in the space, that is time.
Listing all reactants and products, photosynthesis can be described as:
6 CO2 + 12 H2O → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O
Photosynthesis is a lot more complicated than the simplified diagram above. Actually, photosynthesis doesn't actually produce glucose; rather, it produces a 3-carbon compound which is a precursor to glucose. In addition, there are a couple different chemical pathways that plants utilize in different situations (see C3, C4, and CAM plants). In autotrophs, there are organelles within each plant cell called chloroplasts. Chlorophyll is a protein associated with a metal (magnesium). Chlorophyll absorbs energy (photons) from the sun and combines ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) with a phosphate group to form ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) in a process called phosphorylation. ADP + Phosphate + energy → ATP
This ATP has more energy than ADP. This extra energy is used by a number of other enzymes which build glucose molecules (C6H12O6 above) via the Calvin cycle of photosynthesis.
And photons go at the speed of light, which is relative to where it is. But in a vacuum Its value is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second, often approximated as 300,000 kilometres per second or 186,000 miles per second.
There you go...
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"40. Science is just another (false) religion."
You previously said:
"18. The Second Law of Thermodynamics proves evolution is not so."
(this statement is wrong) but why should it matter if science is false?
"48. The Bible is 100% scientifically accurate."
Again... why should it matter? And again, a false statement.
Those (and in fact all) of your "proofs" don't prove anything, your just stating things that the Bible says, without ever establishing that the Bible is true.
At least not in any good reasonable way.
So that means...
"15. All intelligent people believe in the Christian God."
goes for people that are not that intellectual.
Here's one proof that God does not exist, and by the standards of reasoning, it is more powerful then all your statements together...
"Omnipotence is impossible due to paradoxes
Another way to disprove the almighty god is that omnipotence leads to paradoxes. Can god make a rock that is too heavy for him to carry? Can god build a wall that even he can't tear down?
Also, if god knows everything, he knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. Thus god's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. If god has no free will god is not omnipotent. Another way to put it is that to be able to make plans and decisions one must act over time. If god stands above time he can not do that and has no free will. Indeed, if god stands above all dimensions god is dimensionless - a singularity, nothing, void!
Besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a free will, god wouldn't know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn't be omnipotent." - http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/nogod/no_god.htmLeave a comment:
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