How 'Christian' is it...

[John Johnson]

to deny 30 million Americans health care? I know ya'll think the republican party is the official spokesman for Christians, but, to use your logic, what Jesus would do would probably lean to the left on most issues. What is christian about having a reckless attitude towards the environment? Christians are just another demographic for the republicans to use like puppets. There is nothing exceptionally godly about being conservative lol how do you even label a political affiliation as being 'godly'?

Btw noone takes fundies seriously anymore

[Mr Holyfire]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

How old are you boy?

[John Johnson]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

How old are you boy?

I'm not your boy and I'm not telling my age to wacky fundamental perverts. Why don't you try to refute me instead of engaging in ad hominem?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

to deny 30 million Americans health care?

Yes, of course.

http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2007/08/02/star-parker-and-michael-moore-on-jesus-view-of-healthcare/

"
Recently on ABC’s The View, Star Parker and Michael Moore had an instructive exchange. To justify state-regulated universal healthcare, Moore sought to marshal support from Jesus: Jesus claimed that if you care for the poorest among us, you do this to Him. According to Moore, this proves that Jesus would be for universal healthcare. Star Parker’s response was stunningly accurate: Jesus never intended such action to be forced on people by the state. Such acts were to be voluntary and from a freely given heart of compassion.
Parker, not Moore, was right. Two central features of Jesus’ ethical views imply that Jesus urged compassionate care for the poor but not by the state. In short, he would never have supported universal healthcare.
(1) Jesus and his apostles taught that the state and church have separate spheres of authority, each with its own job to do. The state exists to guard negative rights, not provide positive ones. A negative right is a right to be protected from discrimination in trying to secure some good. It places a duty on others and the state to make sure one is not being unjustly hindered. A positive right is a right to be provided with some good. It places a duty on others and the state to give something to someone. A careful study of Jesus and New Testament teaching proves beyond reasonable doubt that he took the state to be the guardian of negative rights, not the provider of positive ones.
(2) Jesus was angered at moral teaching that emphasized outward conformity to rules without moral action flowing from a heart of compassion and virtue, even if such conformity produced good results. Now the state cannot show compassion in the arena of economic justice, because a necessary condition for compassion is that it is freely given and not coerced. The state forces people to conform to rules. It takes their money and gives it to others. But this is not the sort of compassion of which Jesus taught. Star Parker was right: To count as pleasing to God, an act of caring from the poor must be voluntary not coerced. The church can show compassion regarding the needy, but not the state. Moore’s Jesus looks more like Ted Kennedy than the Jesus who actually lived."

I know ya'll think the republican party is the official spokesman for Christians, but, to use your logic, what Jesus would do would probably lean to the left on most issues.

Do you any scripture to back up this ridiculous claim?

What is christian about having a reckless attitude towards the environment?

http://www.gotquestions.org/environmentalism-Christian.html

Christians are just another demographic for the republicans to use like puppets.

Yes, of course. Republicans are just desperate for any demographics they can get, that must be why they are SO accepting of everyone.

There is nothing exceptionally godly about being conservative lol how do you even label a political affiliation as being 'godly'?

Well, it helps the the Conservative platform is 100% supported by the Holy Bible.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

Btw noone takes fundies seriously anymore

Tell that to the 76% of Americans who are Christian

[John Johnson]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

Yes, of course.

http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2007/08/02/star-parker-and-michael-moore-on-jesus-view-of-healthcare/

"
Recently on ABC’s The View, Star Parker and Michael Moore had an instructive exchange. To justify state-regulated universal healthcare, Moore sought to marshal support from Jesus: Jesus claimed that if you care for the poorest among us, you do this to Him. According to Moore, this proves that Jesus would be for universal healthcare. Star Parker’s response was stunningly accurate: Jesus never intended such action to be forced on people by the state. Such acts were to be voluntary and from a freely given heart of compassion.
Parker, not Moore, was right. Two central features of Jesus’ ethical views imply that Jesus urged compassionate care for the poor but not by the state. In short, he would never have supported universal healthcare.
(1) Jesus and his apostles taught that the state and church have separate spheres of authority, each with its own job to do. The state exists to guard negative rights, not provide positive ones. A negative right is a right to be protected from discrimination in trying to secure some good. It places a duty on others and the state to make sure one is not being unjustly hindered. A positive right is a right to be provided with some good. It places a duty on others and the state to give something to someone. A careful study of Jesus and New Testament teaching proves beyond reasonable doubt that he took the state to be the guardian of negative rights, not the provider of positive ones.
(2) Jesus was angered at moral teaching that emphasized outward conformity to rules without moral action flowing from a heart of compassion and virtue, even if such conformity produced good results. Now the state cannot show compassion in the arena of economic justice, because a necessary condition for compassion is that it is freely given and not coerced. The state forces people to conform to rules. It takes their money and gives it to others. But this is not the sort of compassion of which Jesus taught. Star Parker was right: To count as pleasing to God, an act of caring from the poor must be voluntary not coerced. The church can show compassion regarding the needy, but not the state. Moore’s Jesus looks more like Ted Kennedy than the Jesus who actually lived."




Do you any scripture to back up this ridiculous claim?

http://www.gotquestions.org/environmentalism-Christian.html

Yes, of course. Republicans are just desperate for any demographics they can get, that must be why they are SO accepting of everyone.





Well, it helps the the Conservative platform is 100% supported by the Holy Bible.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project



Tell that to the 76% of Americans who are Christian

If you are a proponent for universal healthcare then you are volunteering to help people. If you are so twisted as to believe that Jesus would turn a blind eye to 30 million Americans then you are hopeless. And conservapedia? seriously? are you stupid
Do you know how moronic it sounds to claim that a political party is totally and infallibly devoted to your religion? lol it's not like some biased link can prove that it is anyway. And out of 76% of christians I'll bet only .01% are fundie nutjobs like you.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

If you are a proponent for universal healthcare then you are volunteering to help people.

State involvement takes away a person's ability to volunteer of their own volition.

If you are so twisted as to believe that Jesus would turn a blind eye to 30 million Americans then you are hopeless.

Millions of millions of people have died from diseases throughout time and Jesus did nothing about it. What do you say about that?

And conservapedia? seriously? are you stupid

What an intelligent argument you put forth. I am in awe of your mental capacities.

Do you know how mormonic it sounds to claim that a political party is totally and infallibly devoted to your religion?

What do you have against Mormons?

lol it's not like some biased link can prove that it is anyway.

It's not like a link showing what the Bible says can prove whether someone is doing what the Bible says.

And out of 76% of christians I'll bet only .01% are fundie nutjobs like you.

(none of these are conservative websites)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/...oll/index.html
Poll: Majority favor abortion funding ban


Six in 10 Americans favor a ban on the use of federal funds for abortion, according to a new poll.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends

Partisan Trends

Number of Democrats Falls to Four-Year Low

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http://airamerica.com/politics/12-10-2009/poll-44-percent-americans-want-bush-back/

A new Gallup poll released today found that President Obama’s approval rating continues to dip. But the poll also uncovered a much more disturbing fact: 44 percent of Americans would be happier with George W. Bush back in the White House.

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http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/articles/fee/average.html

Average Americans vs. Environmentalists

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Environmentalists not only differ from scientists but are markedly different from the general public as well. Environmental activists are a narrow elite: 76 percent are male, 97 percent are white and a third have incomes over $100,000. They are unrepresentative of America politically as well. Sixty-three percent describe themselves as liberals compared to 18 percent of the general public. Only six percent are Republicans; ten times as many are Democrats. To the question, "I'd fight for my country, right or wrong," 57 percent of all Americans answered yes while only 9 percent of environmentalists said yes.


Environmentalists support causes like race quotas, abortion-on-demand and homosexual rights at rates of 70 to 80 percent, versus 34 to 40 percent of the general public. Rothman and Licther summarized, "Although most Americans are willing to describe themselves as environmentalists, from these data it seems clear that environmental activists do not speak for the public. . . . The perspective and background of this movement's leadership are considerably removed from those of the majority.""



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http://www.gallup.com/poll/16519/us-evangelicals-how-many-walk-walk.aspx

U.S. Evangelicals: How Many Walk the Walk?




"Looking only at the basic Gallup Poll self-identification question, "Do you consider yourself to be born-again or evangelical?", it would appear evangelical Christians make up a sizable portion of Americans -- 42% according to an April 18-21 poll*"

[John Johnson]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

State involvement takes away a person's ability to volunteer of their own volition.

No it doesn't. How would I be able to help out the people without health care? And even if I could that is just one aspect of helping people out.




Millions of millions of people have died from diseases throughout time and Jesus did nothing about it. What do you say about that?

There was no health care back then tard



What an intelligent argument you put forth. I am in awe of your mental capacities.


Well it wasn't really an arguement as much as it was me in disbelief that you actually used that site as a source.


What do you have against Mormons?
I guess you could ignore the point and pick on typos idk


It's not like a link showing what the Bible says can prove whether someone is doing what the Bible says.

One biased web site isn't definitive proof of that. There's nothing christian about the capitalist system where the poor get poorer and the rich get richer



(none of these are conservative websites)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/...oll/index.html
Poll: Majority favor abortion funding ban


Six in 10 Americans favor a ban on the use of federal funds for abortion, according to a new poll.

--

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends

Partisan Trends

Number of Democrats Falls to Four-Year Low

--

http://airamerica.com/politics/12-10-2009/poll-44-percent-americans-want-bush-back/

A new Gallup poll released today found that President Obama’s approval rating continues to dip. But the poll also uncovered a much more disturbing fact: 44 percent of Americans would be happier with George W. Bush back in the White House.

--

http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/articles/fee/average.html

Average Americans vs. Environmentalists

"
Environmentalists not only differ from scientists but are markedly different from the general public as well. Environmental activists are a narrow elite: 76 percent are male, 97 percent are white and a third have incomes over $100,000. They are unrepresentative of America politically as well. Sixty-three percent describe themselves as liberals compared to 18 percent of the general public. Only six percent are Republicans; ten times as many are Democrats. To the question, "I'd fight for my country, right or wrong," 57 percent of all Americans answered yes while only 9 percent of environmentalists said yes.


Environmentalists support causes like race quotas, abortion-on-demand and homosexual rights at rates of 70 to 80 percent, versus 34 to 40 percent of the general public. Rothman and Licther summarized, "Although most Americans are willing to describe themselves as environmentalists, from these data it seems clear that environmental activists do not speak for the public. . . . The perspective and background of this movement's leadership are considerably removed from those of the majority.""



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http://www.gallup.com/poll/16519/us-evangelicals-how-many-walk-walk.aspx

U.S. Evangelicals: How Many Walk the Walk?




"Looking only at the basic Gallup Poll self-identification question, "Do you consider yourself to be born-again or evangelical?", it would appear evangelical Christians make up a sizable portion of Americans -- 42% according to an April 18-21 poll*"

This site isn't evangelical it's a bunch of radical fundies, as radical as muslim terrorists.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

This site isn't evangelical it's a bunch of radical fundies, as radical as muslim terrorists.

Because we follow the entire KJV Bible, word for word as God commands, you spew hatred at us?

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

to deny 30 million Americans health care?

We don't want to deny anyone healthcare. Everyone is perfectly welcome to join us in using faith-based healthcare, which is free.

I know ya'll think the republican party is the official spokesman for Christians, but, to use your logic, what Jesus would do would probably lean to the left on most issues.

Care to back that up with anything?

What is christian about having a reckless attitude towards the environment?

What is Christian about trying to conserve a world that Jesus could destroy at any moment?

Btw noone takes fundies seriously anymore

God does, and that's all that matters.

If you are so twisted as to believe that Jesus would turn a blind eye to 30 million Americans then you are hopeless.

We don't believe that. I'm sure that if those 30 million Americans wish to repent of their sins and turn their lives over to Him, He'd be happy to help them. If they don't want to do that, why should He listen to them?

Do you know how mormonic it sounds to claim that a political party is totally and infallibly devoted to your religion?

Well, the Demoncrats are totally and infallibly devoted to Islamo-Marxism, so us Christians need a party too.

[Jebediah Smith]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

We don't want to deny anyone healthcare. Everyone is perfectly welcome to join us in using faith-based healthcare, which is free.

Idk maybe people want a better plan than praying disease away it's not the middle ages.

Care to back that up with anything?


The rich and poor meet together: the Lord [is] the maker of them all.

Proverbs 22:2 A good man sheweth favour, and lendeth: he will guide his affairs with discretion.

Psalms 112:5
A false balance [is] abomination to the Lord: but a just weight [is] his delight.

Proverbs 11:1
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Mark 12:17



What is Christian about trying to conserve a world that Jesus could destroy at any moment?

what
There's nothing unchristian about showing reverence for his creation i.e. not polluting the air.

God does, and that's all that matters.

Actually no. Because your souls are filled with nothing but hate this verse seems applicable:
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 John 2:11
To have hate for god's creation is an insult to god himself.

We don't believe that. I'm sure that if those 30 million Americans wish to repent of their sins and turn their lives over to Him, He'd be happy to help them. If they don't want to do that, why should He listen to them?
Well, the Demoncrats are totally and infallibly devoted to Islamo-Marxism, so us Christians need a party too.

So if you don't have healthcare, then you're a sinner?
Jesus didn't come to Earth to teach the pharisees he came here to teach sinners. So even if you could somehow be able to show that everyone who couldn't afford healthcare was a sinner, then it wouldn't matter because the sinners are who Jesus is trying to save.

[Marshall]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

If those 30 million people want insurance they can go get jobs and get it like everyone else does. This BS plan that Obama came up with is obviously designed to give more taxpayer funded freebies to beaners and spooks. As if we don't know that half that 30 million is made up of FOREIGN NATIONALS that don't belong here.

[Jebediah Smith]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

If those 30 million people want insurance they can go get jobs and get it like everyone else does.

Don't be ignorant, most people without health insurance have jobs. That was a very close minded thing to say. You've probably never met a homeless person. Think next time you judge.

This BS plan that Obama came up with is obviously designed to give more taxpayer funded freebies to beaners and spooks.

alright. Well, idk that was extremely racist. Know what else is paid with by tax? Social security and medicare. Why don't we stop those 'taxpayer funded freebies' too?


As if we don't know that half that 30 million is made up of FOREIGN NATIONALS that don't belong here.

Give me some proof. Hint: you can't back up that stereotype

Try growing up instead of rehashing the same old tired stereotypical racism.

[Marshall]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

Perhaps if you'd pay attention instead of gloss over the facts you'd agree with my side. Obviously getting something you don't deserve that is being paid for by someone else is wrong. You have no Jesus so you have no reason to live so you argue and play devils advocate on basic moral issues like coddling and rewarding lazy worthless people. Yet you tell me to get a life and to grow up.
I have a job and pay my taxes and I do NOT want them going to fund abortions and foreigners. How can you not understand that?

[Jebediah Smith]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

Perhaps if you'd pay attention instead of gloss over the facts you'd agree with my side. Obviously getting something you don't deserve that is being paid for by someone else is wrong. You have no Jesus so you have no reason to live so you argue and play devils advocate on basic moral issues like coddling and rewarding lazy worthless people. Yet you tell me to get a life and to grow up.
I have a job and pay my taxes and I do NOT want them going to fund abortions and foreigners. How can you not understand that?

hahaha I'd rather go with facts than rely on your racist anecdotal 'evidence'. So people don't deserve health care? really? I guess you don't deserve social security or medicare considering that's paid for by other people. I mean if you don't want to pay any taxes you could go live in the woods, idk. According to Christians you don't deserve salvation either, right? You can't earn it. If you think everyone that can't afford healthcare is lazy then you haven't meant anyone that can't afford healthcare. It's not a 'reward' it's a basic fundamental human right. Haha I think it's funny you believe Jesus=reason for living. If that were true half the people on the planet would be jumping off building.

[Marshall]

Re: How 'Christian' is it...

You have a basic human right for free healthcare? That is a basic human right to you? You must be a colored fella or a Democrat, maybe both. You have NO right to a doctor providing you with a service he went to school for a decade to learn for nothing. What sort of imbecile are you?

I pay my taxes because thats the law. I pay my fair share as seen fit by the government and since I can easily afford it I have no problem with it either. I'm a GOOD American citizen in that respect. The worthless scum who drift along homeless and addicted to drugs should get NOTHING as a reward and it IS a reward to fix them when they break. Maybe if they got off their asses and got a job they wouldn't be so worthless and they could pay their doctor bills. Work cures a lazy bum. I shouldn't have to pay for a whores abortion either.

And if all the non Christians killed themselves the world would be far better off. Roomier too.