Godly Big Pharma Standing Up to Obama Socialism

[TC Patriot]

The House Negro wants the pharmaceutical industry to lose exclusive rights to biologic medications. He wants to force his namby pamby socialist agenda onto the drug companies by only allowing them 7 years of patent rights. What that darkie foreign born socialist forgets is that the drug industry spends millions of research and billions on advertising and educating the public about their wonder drugs. Obama is just plain dumb and he hates free market capitalism more than most Negroes hate pepper spray.

The fastest growing sector of our economy is the medical industry. Today is is well over 17% of our GDP and by 2020 in left unfettered it will me 25% of our GDP.

This is another example of redistribution of wealth and mettling in our health care system. The US has the best health care in the world in spite of what the AMA, WHO, and our own CDC says and Obama wants to ruin that. Pretty soon people will be leaving the country and going to socialist Europe and Japan for health care. Already his scare tactics have forced millions of Americans overseas for health care. Obama, and Gore are behind the socialist medical tourism industry and this year alone they will funnel over 100 BILLION dollar to countries with socialist medicine.

They are even setting up websites Medical Holocaust that say our Godly health care system kills more people than all of our Godly wars combined. I voted in the poll on that site and out of 81 people only 2 others say that the US has the best health care in the world. Stop him from brain washing the American people. They are even spreading lies about Godly Senator DOCTOR Tom Coburn MD and Godly Congressman Tom Price MD on another site.

[Levi Jones]

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Amen!

This Socialist power grab makes my blood go cold. As we all know, governments can't do anything right, except electrification, interstate highways, the internet, the invention of gps, tinfoil for the lining of my ballcap, extracting aluminum from sand, the Great Wall of China, the Pyramids, space travel and nuclear energy.

Government involvement in health care will make America a second rate power like China.

[Meek and Humble]

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The liberals are just showing how selfish they are, trying to push health care.

Yes, alright, it might guarantee that a few poor people will have medical access they wouldn't have otherwise.

BUT

It also means that MY health care service could potentially become subpar (as I would have to wait in line behind sicker people).

Honestly, can't the liberals think about anyone but themselves?

[Levi Jones]

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The liberals are just showing how selfish they are, trying to push health care.

Yes, alright, it might guarantee that a few poor people will have medical access they wouldn't have otherwise.

BUT

It also means that MY health care service could potentially become subpar (as I would have to wait in line behind sicker people).

Honestly, can't the liberals think about anyone but themselves?

Praise the LORD! My godly grandpa is telling me that we don't want the same free medical care he gets because too few doctors take it.

He is constantly complaining about the copays based on the 2 million he has in the bank. I hate government welfare as much as he does.

We represented in Memphis together and teabagged.

[gm jack]

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The liberals are just showing how selfish they are, trying to push health care.

Yes, alright, it might guarantee that a few poor people will have medical access they wouldn't have otherwise.

BUT

It also means that MY health care service could potentially become subpar (as I would have to wait in line behind sicker people).

Honestly, can't the liberals think about anyone but themselves?

As someone living in a country with government run healthcare, you are aware that you can still pay your premiums and get exactly the same cover as you currently do?

Your system changes seem to be so that the government will run it's own cheap insurance (but obviously, won't be the best out there) and other companies cannot penalise people for being ill either with insanely high premiums or flat out refusing them.

I don't think your system can claim to be the best (indeed, those who can afford it get a very high standard of care) while others are left without due to cost.

[gm jack]

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First of all, America has the best health care system in the world! Rich people from all around pay to get service here!

I am not denying this. USA has some excellent services, so does attract many excellent doctors. My concern was for the people who have been ill and therefore struggle to get insurance again.

Second of all, government-run health care is EVIL. How can you support a system where people have to stand trial before a bureaucratic panel, pleading their case as to why they shouldn't be put to death?!

It doesn't happen like this. For example, I recently had pneumonia. Went to the doctors, in the middle of the night, got a diagnosis, some painkillers and some antibiotics. There is no board approving or denying treatment, as in the insurance companies in the states. If you need the care, it is given before questions are asked.

Surely the argument can be reversed and it argued that you have to convince the insurance companies to pay for your treatment. I'm not sure how representative it is, but I hear a lot of stories of people being denies their cover due to loopholes in their contracts.

How can you support a system that kills everyone over 50 so they don't become a burden to society?

Our prime minister is currently 59, so I think deciding to kill all older people would be a bad choice.

My grandma had cancer when she was 74, and got over a years worth of treatment ending in a full recovery.

Another example would be professor Stephen Hawking. He is only alive because of our national health service treatment (contrary to popular belief, he is in fact English, rather than American).

How can you support a system that aborts babies out of every pregnant woman they can find whether they want to or not?

If that was the case, I would not be in existence. Killing all the old people and all the young people is not a strong long term policy.

I will die before I let America become the hellhole Britain is!

In practicalities, the healthcare systems are not that different. The only issue is how it is paid for. Yours is slightly better, but that may be because it is better funded as the USA is a larger, richer country. We pay for it in tax, whilst you pay in your premiums, or in a "as required" manner.

[gm jack]

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Don't lie to me, boy. I have heard plenty enough talk radio to know the truth!

And I live in the country. While radio hosts tend to be fairly knowledgeable (as a rule of thumb), I would suspect that I know a bit more than the hosts on this field, as I use the system on a moderately regular basis.

It's called capitalism. Why do you support communism? I bet you'd love to live under Stalin, wouldn't you? You sick freak!

That would be horrible. He was a brutal dictator who twisted and destroyed the little positive bits that communism has (such as equality, but he managed to ruin that) and killed millions. Admittedly, his country more or less won WW2, but for anyone living under him, it would be horrible.

No country nowadays is pure capitalist. Taxation to pay for anything at all are element of left wing beliefs. To a degree, it is a very good idea. It's quite hard to force people to privately pay for things like military, police, road etc, so it's best to make it a Egalitarian (socialist, communist, whatever you call it) system. Healthcare seems to be able to work well under either system, so it is a debate as to where a nationalised healthcare option (option being a key word) is worth it.

I agree. It's sick how the politicians hog all the good health care while the regular people have to suffer

Replace politicians with rich and actually, you're pretty right. The issue being raised in the states is how much the people at the other end of the spectrum deserve. On one hand you can take the approach that they don't work so much, so should suffer the consequences. On the other hand, their kids have done nothing wrong, so why should they be penalised?

It's a complex matter, and if there was a clear right and wrong with everyone wanting a certain thing, then obviously, there would be no need for debate.

However, the USA currently stands alone as the only remaining developed country with purely private healthcare. Additionally, both of your major parties feel that there is a need for reform of some kind, but, the extent of the reforms and how it is going to be funded are the major areas of conflict.

If that happened, it is thanks to God healing her, not some Brit quacks.

Is there any reason" are any worse than American ones? Part of my studies is around cancer and it's treatment, and most of the world uses pretty much the same process. We all use the same drugs (most of which are american simply as that's where the money and the biggest companies are) and the same machinery.

Hawking is alive because SATAN is supporting him. Learn the truth here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...hlight=hawking

That thread seemed to contain nothing but hating him for having a disease and being an atheist. Surprisingly, more of it was because he has a disease, than what he believes.

Whether you agree with his beliefs or not, the man is incredibly smart and has made massive leaps forward in physics. For example, his work is the reason the large hadron collider isn't going to destroy the world.

I know, that's why Britain is a hellhole.

And would also mean we would not actually exist, as nobody would be born and nobody would live for long. In fact, our population is actually slowly growing, and life expectancy is still slowly rising. It's a hellhole for other reasons, but the fact is, we don't force abortions and we don't kill the elderly, and I have no idea how you ever got the idea we did.

Precisely. The British are against freedom and choice. America is in support of it.

THE UK IS A TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP!

Because having to vote for your leaders, and people openly saying the leader is an idiot in fairly large numbers are classic signs of a totalitarian dictatorship.

I'm not sure if you are just trying to get a "USA>everyone else" argument going here, but just because the USA was founded on those values of freedom and choice does not mean they are not shared by the majority of the world.


Back on topic, while the drug companies would take a hit in profits which could slow down development of new drugs, it would allow existing ones to become cheaper much faster, allowing them to become widely available for less. Losing the patent sooner will open up the markets for their production sooner, which should encourage competition and leave the consumers and the winners.

[Free Market Fred]

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And I live in the country. While radio hosts tend to be fairly knowledgeable (as a rule of thumb), I would suspect that I know a bit more than the hosts on this field, as I use the system on a moderately regular basis.

There's at least some truth to what you're saying, now that our subsidiary Clear Channel has started taking over the UK radio market (after having monopolized the USA's). Of course, we take our broadcasting responsibilities seriously, employing such notable truth-tellers as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage (just love that surname), all of whom work very hard to persuade Americans to vote against their interests. Hopefully, our investments in the UK will soon work its magic, destroying socialized medicine and maximizing corporate profits in your country too.


Socialized medicine

No country nowadays is pure capitalist. Taxation to pay for anything at all are element of left wing beliefs.

Well Jack, I actually agree with you. I praise The Lord that the USA is not pure capitalist. It's vitally important that we privatize profits and socialize the risks. That's what government is for - to bailout banks and Wall Street speculators. I just want to let you know that we CEOs appreciate that you lefties don't mind high taxes, because you (and the next 12 generations) are going to be paying for our bonuses. But don't let that bother you, because some of that money will trickle down to poor children (employed at our factories in Bangladesh - they get 3 bowls of rice a day, FREE!).



Jack, I hope that you have found God. You may not be able to afford health care, but The Lord will bring you peace, and freedom from illness and pain (in the next world). He's not nicknamed "the opiate of the people" for nothing.

[gm jack]

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There's at least some truth to what you're saying, now that our subsidiary Clear Channel has started taking over the UK radio market (after having monopolized the USA's). Of course, we take our broadcasting responsibilities seriously, employing such notable truth-tellers as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage (just love that surname), all of whom work very hard to persuade Americans to vote against their interests. Hopefully, our investments in the UK will soon work its magic, destroying socialized medicine and maximizing corporate profits in your country too.

There is no reason that pharmaceuticals can not thrive as a separate industry. The NHS (national health service) does not do that research itself, so actually just provides a major buyer, supporting the pharmaceuticals industry.

Well Jack, I actually agree with you. I praise The Lord that the USA is not pure capitalist. It's vitally important that we privatize profits and socialize the risks. That's what government is for - to bailout banks and Wall Street speculators. I just want to let you know that we CEOs appreciate that you lefties don't mind high taxes, because you (and the next 12 generations) are going to be paying for our bonuses. But don't let that bother you, because some of that money will trickle down to poor children (employed at our factories in Bangladesh - they get 3 bowls of rice a day, FREE!).

McCain supported the bailouts as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26918643/

Even if the companies had collapsed, the CEOs would have walked out with the millions they already had. The bailouts kept the jobs of everyone else in the companies and stopped your economy collapsing. Banks closing means everyone and every business with money invested there looses everything. Therefore, people can't buy stuff, other businesses close so more people can't buy stuff etc.

Mistakes were make, and the recession that hit the world was not nice, but as history as shown, it could have been far, far worse.

Jack, I hope that you have found God. You may not be able to afford health care, but The Lord will bring you peace, and freedom from illness and pain (in the next world). He's not nicknamed "the opiate of the people" for nothing.

I am honestly not sure if I have. I could say I have and go to church, but that wouldn't cure the doubts I have.

[TC Patriot]

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There's at least some truth to what you're saying, now that our subsidiary Clear Channel has started taking over the UK radio market (after having monopolized the USA's). Of course, we take our broadcasting responsibilities seriously, employing such notable truth-tellers as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage (just love that surname), all of whom work very hard to persuade Americans to vote against their interests. Hopefully, our investments in the UK will soon work its magic, destroying socialized medicine and maximizing corporate profits in your country too.


Socialized medicine



Well Jack, I actually agree with you. I praise The Lord that the USA is not pure capitalist. It's vitally important that we privatize profits and socialize the risks. That's what government is for - to bailout banks and Wall Street speculators. I just want to let you know that we CEOs appreciate that you lefties don't mind high taxes, because you (and the next 12 generations) are going to be paying for our bonuses. But don't let that bother you, because some of that money will trickle down to poor children (employed at our factories in Bangladesh - they get 3 bowls of rice a day, FREE!).



Jack, I hope that you have found God. You may not be able to afford health care, but The Lord will bring you peace, and freedom from illness and pain (in the next world). He's not nicknamed "the opiate of the people" for nothing.

I am glad you mentioned Clear Channel. They are the radio version of Fox News fair and balanced policy by keeping Liebrul thugs like the Joo Alan Colmes off the air. I think they got sick of his sneaky Liebrul Joo debate tactics he used on Shawn.

Briton is indeed a hell hole of socialist medicine as is all of Europe and Japan now that Clear Channel is doing its Godly version of Radio Free Europe the Brits may stand a chance of having good health care and a thriving health care industry like we do currently in the US.

When you get the government out of business you see tremendous growth. Let the Godly market work its magic and stand back and be awed!

[gm jack]

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TC Patriot, have you ever been in a country with socialised healthcare and had to use it?

In fact, how many of you have had to use socialised healthcare?

Back on topic, what Obama is doing really is not making your system anywhere close to ours. From what I gather, it's mostly new regulations on the insurance sector so that people cannot be refused insurance because of a medical history?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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TC Patriot, have you ever been in a country with socialised healthcare and had to use it?

In fact, how many of you have had to use socialised healthcare?

Back on topic, what Obama is doing really is not making your system anywhere close to ours. From what I gather, it's mostly new regulations on the insurance sector so that people cannot be refused insurance because of a medical history?

What makes you think that we are interested in your unsaved teenaged opinions?

This is a Christian forum. Shoo demon.

[gm jack]

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Amen, Brother Heathen. I'd just like to add that Hitler contributed so much to modern health care, with all those medical experiments he authorized his doctor's to do on those Joos. Hitler saved so many lives, but you never hear the liberals talk about that, do you?

I am well aware of the work of the "Angel of Death". Interesting fact. Japan did similar stuff to the Chinese. The Americans bought all the data off them after the war in return for not persecuting the people that ran the unit for war crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Getting other people to do the work then bribing them for the data is such an improvement.

Here in China, we've continued Hitler's fine work, building a commercially successful organ transplant business using volunteers who are willing to donate a kidney, liver or heart whenever a paying customer in need contacts us.


Organ donors volunteering to help customers in need

It brings a tear to my eye when I see the Chinks doing this fine work, while in my native land, the USA, liberals have made it virtually impossible to harvest organs from prisoners, either before or after execution. Indeed, the ACLU won't let you harvest organs from a lifeless prisoner unless he or she gave written consent before execution. Here in China, we've streamlined the bureaucracy, so that friends, relatives or prison guards can sign the consent authorization, either before or after the transplant has been completed.

Liberals have just ruined America with their whining about "human rights." It truly saddens me.

While here in the UK, we have an opt in system for organ donation, and otherwise, it is not permitted (i.e. you can register to be an organ donor, and if you are not, they are not allowed to take organs). Additionally, we abolished the death penalty a long time ago, so we tend not to execute people for organs. Additionally, the NHS does not accept payments for organs, so there is no situation of organ harvesting. If you want to pay for quicker service, they can go privately instead.