[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

You are all racist idiots who know nothing of politics or morality and you hide behind small parts of the bible that you have SPUN to make it support your horrible ideas.

Really? Would you mind showing me even ONE Scripture we have used incorrectly or out or context?

If you wanna hide behind the bible why not actually OBEY the bible. Christians arent supposed to turn ANYBODY away. They are supposed to try and bring others to their side. Yet still the banner on these forums say "unsaved UNwelcome"..

Yes. What part of this don't you understand?

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 John 1:9-11).

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:14-17).

I laughed out loud when "Lord Warrior" used the word 'nigger' in a post... thats sooo UNchristian that it hurts.

Why? Show me the scripture.

I hate to break it to you... Jesus Christ has NO affiliation with any political party. As a matter of fact I dont think that you will find a description of "WHITE AMERICAN REPUBLICAN JESUS" anywhere. He would most likely have olive skin and be JEWISH.. you know.. like the book says.. the bible..

The Bible says that Jesus was God, given to Mary to bear from a VIRGIN birth. He didn't have olive skin. Mary did, but she was merely the vessel GOD used. If you want to argue scripture for this or any of your other ignorant nonsense, show me the Scripture. Except you can't because it isn't in the Bible.

You arent Christian at all your just a self righteous hate group!

You are an ignorant idiot who has never read the Bible. Come back after you know what you are talking about.

1. Matthew
2. While insulting the Pharisees and Sadducees, John the Baptist calls an entire generation a "generation of vipers." 3:7
3. Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
4. Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
5. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
6. "the children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
7. Jesus tells his disciples to keep away from the Gentiles and Samaritans, and go only to the Israelites. 10:5-6
8. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
9. Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
10. "Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." 10:33
11. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
12. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
13. "He that is not with me is against me." 12:30
14. "Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him." 12:31-32
15. Jesus often called people names. One of his favorites was to call his adversaries a "generation of vipers." 12:34
16. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
17. Jesus refuses to heal the Canaanite (Mk.7:26 says she was Greek) woman's possessed daughter, saying "it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." 15:22-26
18. The ever-so-kind Jesus calls the Pharisees "hypocrites, wicked, and adulterous." 15:2-3
19. In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13
20. Jesus condemns the Jews for being "the children of them which killed the prophets." 23:31
21. Jesus blames his the Jews (who were then living) for "all the righteous blood" from Abel to Zecharias, 23:35
22. The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
23. Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
24. "His blood be on us, and on our children." This verse blames the Jews for the death of Jesus and has been used to justify their persecution for twenty centuries. 27:25 Mark
25. Jesus becomes angry at those who said that he had "an unclean spirit," so he announces the unforgivable sin: "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost." 3:29
26. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
27. Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:27
28. If you're ashamed of Jesus, he'll be ashamed of you. (And you'll go straight to hell.) 8:38
29. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16 Luke
30. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
31. John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
32. Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
33. Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 11:23
34. Those who "blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" will never be forgiven. 12:10
35. God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
36. According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
37. Jesus also believes the story about Noah's flood and Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
38. In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27 John
39. People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
40. The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
41. John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him." 5:16, 18
42. John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." 7:1
43. No one could speak openly about Jesus "for fear of the Jews." 7:13
44. If you don't believe in Jesus, you will "die in your sins" (and then go to hell). 8:24
45. Jesus calls his opponents (the Jews) the sons of the devil. 8:44
46. Once again, "the Jews" are accused of trying to kill Jesus. 11:8
47. If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48
48. Jesus is the only way to heaven. All other religions lead to hell. 14:6
49. John blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 19:7, 12, 14-15
50. "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father."
    If you follow Jesus' teachings, God will love you -- otherwise... well, you know. 14:21
51. Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
52. Now that Jesus has come, non-believers have no excuse for not believing in him. 15:22
53. John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the disciples hid in locked room "for fear of the Jews." 20:19 Acts
54. Peter blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 3:14-15
55. Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
56. God will torture forever those who don't know the password to heaven. 4:12
57. Once again, Peter accuses the Jews of murdering Jesus. 5:30
58. Stephen blames the Jews for persecuting the prophets and murdering Jesus. 7:51-52
59. After Saul "increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews," the "Jews took counsel to kill him." 9:22-23
60. The Jews are again blamed for the death of Jesus. 10:39
61. Herod kills James the brother of John and imprisons Peter "because he saw it pleased the Jews." 12:1-3
62. The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
63. Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
64. The Jews of Antioch, after seeing Paul's success in preaching, were envious and blasphemed God. Paul then declares them to be "unworthy of everlasting life." 13:45-46
65. Once again "the Jews stirred up" trouble and "raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts." 13:50
66. "The unbelieving Jews" stir up trouble again for Paul and incite the people to try to stone him to death. 14:2-5
67. In Thessalonica, "the Jews which believed not, moved with envy" stir up trouble for Paul and his friends. 17:5, 13
68. "And when they [the Jews of Corinth] opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he [Paul] shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads." (Have a nice day?) 18:6
69. "The Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat." 18:12
70. The first Christian book burning occurs when Paul's converts at Ephesus burn 50,000 silver pieces worth of books. 19:19
71. Poor Paul complains, once again, of being mistreated by "the Jews." 20:19
72. The Jews, once again, incite the people to kill poor old Paul 21:27, 31
73. The Jews form a grand conspiracy to kill Paul. They vow not to eat until the job is done. 23:12-15
74. Claudius saves Paul from being killed by the Jews. 23:27
75. Those pesky Jews caught Paul and and tried to kill him. But he got away. Darn! 26:21 Romans
76. "The wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 1:18-20
77. The existence and nature of God are self-evident; thus, unbelievers are "without excuse." 1:20
78. Atheists have dark and foolish hearts. 1:21
79. God abandons those who don't know him to "uncleanness and vile affections." 1:24, 26, 28
80. With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
81. Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
82. Paul says that those who accuse him of lying deserve damnation. 3:8
83. "He that doubteth is damned ... Whosoever is not of faith is sin." 14:23
84. Shun those who disagree with your religious views. 16:17 1 Corinthians
85. Christians can judge everything and everybody, but no non-Christian can judge them. 2:15
86. "Put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
    Stay away from "fornicators", "idolaters", and "drunkards". Do not associate, speak to, or eat dinner with such "wicked" people. 5:9-13
87. "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?" 6:2
88. Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
89. Don't be an idolater. If you become one, God will make you sit down to eat and then rise up to play. 10:7
90. Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
91. Gentiles sacrifice to devils. If you have gentile friends, then you are friends with devils. 10:20
92. Those who don't love Jesus are to be "anathema" (damned). 16:22 2 Corinthians
93. All non-Christians are blind. They were blinded by God to prevent them from seeing the truth. 3:14-16
94. "The god of this world" has blinded the minds of nonbelievers. 4:3-4
95. Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. 6:14-17
96. Christians cannot be freethinkers, since all their thoughts and imaginings must be brought into captivity in obedience to Christ. 10:5
97. Paul says he "will not spare" when he comes back to punish those who have sinned. 13:2
98. Are you a reprobate? Here's the test: if you know for sure that Jesus is in you, you're not a reprobate. Otherwise you are. 13:5 Galatians
99. If anyone dares to disagree with Paul on religious matters, "let him be accursed." 1:8-9
100. Those who try to follow the law are cursed 3:10
101. "I would they were even cut off which trouble you." Gosh, that doesn't sound very nice. But I wonder what Paul meant by "cut off". The New Revised Standard Version translates this verse as: "I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves!" 5:12
102. Witches, idol worshippers, and heretics will not go to heaven. (Guess where they'll be going.) 5:20-21 Philippians
103. Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. 2:10-11
104. "Beware of dogs ... beware of the concision." I'm not sure who Paul is calling "dogs" here, but it's probably the Jews -- those of "the circumcision," as opposed to Christians, who are of the "true circumcision." 3:2 1 Thessalonians
105. God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
106. Paul accuses "the Jews" of killing Jesus, persecuting the prophets, displeasing God, and being "contrary to all men." He concludes that the wrath of God will "come upon them to the uttermost. 2:15-16 2 Thessalonians
107. Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
108. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
109. Shun those who disagree with your interpretation of this epistle. 3:6, 14 1 Timothy
110. "Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." Apparently (see 2 Tim.2:16-18 and 4:14-15) their "blasphemy" was disagreeing with Paul. 1:20
111. Stay away from those who discuss important matters -- especially if they disagree with Paul. 6:5
112. Paul instructs Timothy to avoid science, especially that which disagrees with him ("science falsely so called"). Other versions translate this phrase as "false knowledge", which may be more correct. However many fundamentalist Christians still use this verse ("science falsely so called") to justify their rejection of any idea, scientific or otherwise, they believe contradicts the bible. 6:20 2 Timothy
113. "If we deny him [Jesus], he will deny us." Fair is fair! 2:12
114. Shun non-believers and other profane babblers. 2:16
115. Hymenaeus and Philetus are condemned for disagreeing with Paul about the timing of the resurrection. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.4:14-15) 2:17-18
116. "The Lord knoweth them that are his." This verse was used by the Catholic Church during the inquisition to justify killing those suspected of heresy. (Kill them all, for `the Lord knows them that are His'." ) 2:19
117. God will "reward" Alexander for the "blasphemy" of disagreeing with Paul. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.2:16-18) 4:14 Titus
118. Jews are unruly liars "whose mouths must be stopped." 1:10-11
119. The people of Crete are "always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies." 1:12
120. Heretics are to be rejected since they are subverted, sinners, and condemned by God. 3:10-11 Hebrews
121. Every skeptic and nonbeliever has "an evil heart of unbelief." 3:12
122. It is impossible for fallen-away Christians to be saved. (Didn't the author know about confession or the finality of being saved?) 6:4-6
123. Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
124. If you're not a Christian, it's impossible to please God. 11:6
125. God saved Rahab because she believed. (He killed all the non-believers in Jericho.) 11:31 James
126. Whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. 4:4 1 Peter
127. Things may get rough for Christians, but it will really be hell for nonbelievers. 4:17-18 2 Peter
128. The basic message of Christianity is "believe or be damned" and from this flows intolerance toward all non-Christians. But, as these verses show, Christian intolerance is often directed toward believers as well. Each group of Christians accuses the others of being "false teachers" of "damnable heresies" who will soon be damned to hell. 2:1-3
129. God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
130. God knows how to punish those that "despise government." 2:9-10
131. God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7 1 John
132. "Love not the world." 2:15
133. Every non-Christian is liar and an antichrist. 2:22, 4:2-3
134. Christians are alive; non-Christians are dead. 5:12
135. Christians are "of God;" everyone else is wicked. 5:19 2 John
136. Non-Christians are deceivers and antichrists. 7
137. "Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." 9
138. Don't associate with non-Christians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 10 Jude
139. God destroys non-believers. 1:5 Revelation
140. False Jews are members of "the synagogue of Satan." 2:9
141. Those who obey God/Jesus until the end will rule everyone else with an iron rod. They'll even get to smash the others into smithereens. 2:26-27
142. God will make "the synagogue of Satan [that would be the Jews] ... come and worship before thy feet." (Whose feet? Well, the feet of Christians, of course!) 3:9
143. The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
144. 144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
145. The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6
146. Only 144,000 celibate men will be saved. (Those who were not "defiled with women.") 14:1-4
147. Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11
148. Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
149. All liars, as well as sorcerers, idolaters, and those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8
150. "Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city. 22:15

Another FALSE CHRISTIAN who has never read the Bible.

[raylu]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

It's impossible to refute any of your arguments

Allow me.

Christian missionaries in Africa just simply haven't been able to turn things around there despite passing out millions of Bibles and throwing out much of the black people's dangerous and degressive culture like public nudity in the 120 degrees heat, doing away with hunting and introducing capitalism in the form of having the villages make wallets and teaching the monkey-people the joys of using more water

This rant is ad hominem againist them and contains no real arguments, so I'm not sure what I'm refuting. Or perhaps its the inability to accept their culture - note that you do not mention their lack of Christian beliefs.

(the ocean is full of it, losers, stop rationing it).

Water in the ocean is saline and undrinkable. The cost of desalinzing it is insane.

In our cities the common black man is responsible for 100% of the crime and finding a black person that doesn't have a police record is near-impossible.

This may be true for where you live, and, if so, I can't blame you. It certainly isn't like that here, though. As far as refuting this goes, wouldn't I merely have to find an instance of crime commited by someone not black?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/pji02.htm

In 2002 blacks made up 40% of the jail inmate population; Hispanics, 19%; and whites, 36%.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/pji96.htm
White: 37.3%, black: 40.8%, hispanic: 18.5, other: 3.5%

as currently tons of American money is being dumped into their third-world hellholes just so they can eat and have places to live.

Actually, very little of it goes to allowing them to buy necessities; much of it is stolen by their nepotic governments.

Blacks all over the world would be given a chance to see what life as a True Christian™ is like and they would strive to better themselves.

What is the difference between "given a chance to" and "forced to?"

Under slavery in 1600's to the 1800's nearly 100% of the black people in America were employed, today that number is a mere 4% (just a wild guesstimate). How anyone can debate with those figures is shocking and I would venture so far as to say that anyone that doesn't support re-slaving hates black people.

Employment is voluntary. Those statistics were not comparable. Also note that they are wrong; it's called the north (the Union...that whole Civil War crap...).

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Yes. What part of this don't you understand?

(This refers to helping other non-believers.)
How do you justify missionaries, then? Or this post:

With an added bonus that they are taught the Word of Jesus Christ Our Saviour

Or the post I just responded to:

Blacks all over the world would be given a chance to see what life as a True Christian™ is like and they would strive to better themselves.

The Bible says that Jesus was God, given to Mary to bear from a VIRGIN birth. He didn't have olive skin. Mary did, but she was merely the vessel GOD used. If you want to argue scripture for this or any of your other ignorant nonsense, show me the Scripture. Except you can't because it isn't in the Bible.

I can't argue scripture with you here, but historians and looser interpretations of the Bible say that Jesus was, indeed, Jewish. You trust your source; I trust mine.

Another FALSE CHRISTIAN who has never read the Bible.

Actually, he never claimed to be Christian.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

He never claimed to be Christian for a very good reason. He isn't. But he most certainly wanted to tell us what the Bible says, yet he has no clue.

If you want to debate the Bible (KJV1611 (Authorized) and TRUE CHRISTIANITY(TM), you have come to the right place. I am at your service. I suppose I should begin by refuting your drivel.

This rant is ad hominem againist them and contains no real arguments, so I'm not sure what I'm refuting. Or perhaps its the inability to accept their culture - note that you do not mention their lack of Christian beliefs.

You aren't refuting anything. You are talking when you should be listening.

Water in the ocean is saline and undrinkable. The cost of desalinzing it is insane.

Desalination cost about AU$0.80 per thousand liters in 2002. Now it's a tenth that. Next year it will be a hundredth that.

At this point I had to stop. You aren't refuting anything, you are simply babbling. If I want to post statistics which disprove yours, we can go back and forth until JESUS kills you, but to what purpose? You are wrong all the way down. Was Jesus Jewish? He was as white as GOD. We have two sources. The Bible, and the writings of Flavius Josephus. Since there are no other contemporary witnesses, you don't have any 'sources'.

Please go away. You are never going to successfully argue against GOD.

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

This may be true for where you live, and, if so, I can't blame you. It certainly isn't like that here, though. As far as refuting this goes, wouldn't I merely have to find an instance of crime commited by someone not black?

No, you would have to find a black person who has no police record. Since it is impossible to prove a negative, you've argued yourself into a corner. You're finished!

[raylu]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

He never claimed to be Christian for a very good reason. He isn't. But he most certainly wanted to tell us what the Bible says, yet he has no clue.

I thought you were making the implication that not being Christian means not having read the Bible.
Instead, it seems you were merely mentioning that he is not Christian, just like I was merely mentioning that he never claimed to be Christian.
In either case, it seems you are wrong.

This rant is ad hominem againist them and contains no real arguments, so I'm not sure what I'm refuting. Or perhaps its the inability to accept their culture - note that you do not mention their lack of Christian beliefs.

You aren't refuting anything. You are talking when you should be listening.

Actually, you aren't refuting anything. You make the claim that I am not refuting anything and then proceed to make an irrelevant statement (which could also be interpreted as ad hom). You do attempt to refute my points below, which means that you must agree that I am refuting something.

Water in the ocean is saline and undrinkable. The cost of desalinzing it is insane.

Desalination cost about AU$0.80 per thousand liters in 2002. Now it's a tenth that. Next year it will be a hundredth that.

Yes. It is, in fact, very cheap to desalinize a very small amount of water. Keep in mind, though, that this is water.
This is from 2004 (date given on page 1, slide 1; and is Austrailian, as a bonus) and estimates $1.00/kL for a 20ML/day plant and $0.90/kL for a 100ML/day plant (page 4, slide 3), and this excludes capital costs. Their actual costs for production and service are higher, but that's OK. Let's use your 0.80 AUD/kL and this statistic that places water at $1.50/kGal:
Deslanized: 0.80 AUD/kL * 0.8403 USD/AUD = 0.672 USD/kL
The U.S. Statistic: 1.50 USD/kgal * 0.264 kgal/kL = 0.396 USD/kL

Or, we could use this Australian source which places it at "50 cents per kilolitre (kL) for the first 125 kL used in the year."

Was Jesus Jewish? He was as white as GOD.

So white implies non-jewish?

We have two sources. The Bible, and the writings of Flavius Josephus. Since there are no other contemporary witnesses, you don't have any 'sources'.

Neither the Bible nor the writings of Flavius Josephus are "contemporary witnesses."

You are never going to successfully argue against GOD.

You can never claim that you are God. Making that claim implies that if I win an argument against you, I have beaten God. Don't reduce God to your level.

No, you would have to find a black person who has no police record. Since it is impossible to prove a negative, you've argued yourself into a corner. You're finished!

Actually, his original statement was:

In our cities the common black man is responsible for 100% of the crime and finding a black person that doesn't have a police record is near-impossible.

which means that I would either need to:
1. find one crime not committed by a black person, as I have done, or
2. find a counter-example to disprove the positive of "no black person has a police record."

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

I thought you were making the implication that not being Christian means not having read the Bible.
Instead, it seems you were merely mentioning that he is not Christian, just like I was merely mentioning that he never claimed to be Christian.
In either case, it seems you are wrong.


Actually, you aren't refuting anything. You make the claim that I am not refuting anything and then proceed to make an irrelevant statement (which could also be interpreted as ad hom). You do attempt to refute my points below, which means that you must agree that I am refuting something.


Yes. It is, in fact, very cheap to desalinize a very small amount of water. Keep in mind, though, that this is water.
This is from 2004 (date given on page 1, slide 1; and is Austrailian, as a bonus) and estimates $1.00/kL for a 20ML/day plant and $0.90/kL for a 100ML/day plant (page 4, slide 3), and this excludes capital costs. Their actual costs for production and service are higher, but that's OK. Let's use your 0.80 AUD/kL and this statistic that places water at $1.50/kGal:
Deslanized: 0.80 AUD/kL * 0.8403 USD/AUD = 0.672 USD/kL
The U.S. Statistic: 1.50 USD/kgal * 0.264 kgal/kL = 0.396 USD/kL

Or, we could use this Australian source which places it at "50 cents per kilolitre (kL) for the first 125 kL used in the year."

So white implies non-jewish?

Neither the Bible nor the writings of Flavius Josephus are "contemporary witnesses."

You can never claim that you are God. Making that claim implies that if I win an argument against you, I have beaten God. Don't reduce God to your level.


Actually, his original statement was:
which means that I would either need to:
1. find one crime not committed by a black person, as I have done, or
2. find a counter-example to disprove the positive of "no black person has a police record."

You are too uppity by half! Do you even have your husband's permission to be in here discussing Jesus' love? Shouldn't you be baking biscuits or something?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

I thought you were making the implication that not being Christian means not having read the Bible.
Instead, it seems you were merely mentioning that he is not Christian, just like I was merely mentioning that he never claimed to be Christian.
In either case, it seems you are wrong.

No. I said he wasn't Christian because he isn't Christian but he was attempting to tell us TRUE CHRISTIANS(TM) what Christianity is about; something of which he has no clue. You are attempting to make the same point, but you are merely yappity-yap-yap-yapping, and not making any sense whatsoever.

Actually, you aren't refuting anything. You make the claim that I am not refuting anything and then proceed to make an irrelevant statement (which could also be interpreted as ad hom). You do attempt to refute my points below, which means that you must agree that I am refuting something.

I agree that you are refuting any hypothesis that you know anything whatsoever.

Yes. It is, in fact, very cheap to desalinize a very small amount of water. Keep in mind, though, that this is water.
This is from 2004 (date given on page 1, slide 1; and is Austrailian, as a bonus) and estimates $1.00/kL for a 20ML/day plant and $0.90/kL for a 100ML/day plant (page 4, slide 3), and this excludes capital costs. Their actual costs for production and service are higher, but that's OK. Let's use your 0.80 AUD/kL and this statistic that places water at $1.50/kGal:
Deslanized: 0.80 AUD/kL * 0.8403 USD/AUD = 0.672 USD/kL
The U.S. Statistic: 1.50 USD/kgal * 0.264 kgal/kL = 0.396 USD/kL

Or, we could use this Australian source which places it at "50 cents per kilolitre (kL) for the first 125 kL used in the year."

Or we could simply agree that the JOOS are living on a sand dune surrounded by howling diaperheads, while we TRUE CHRISTIANS(TM) are living in paradise on earth and will live in paradise in the next life. Where I live gets 250 inches of pure, sweet rain a year. I care less about olive/dark.brown/yellow/red heathens. Let them eat cake.

So white implies non-jewish?

I suppose that idea must have popped into your skull on a passing gust of wind.

Neither the Bible nor the writings of Flavius Josephus are "contemporary witnesses."

Sorry, they are, for the most part, first person accounts. I suppose your sources include FOX news?

You can never claim that you are God. Making that claim implies that if I win an argument against you, I have beaten God. Don't reduce God to your level.

I have never made such a claim, but it hardly matters. If you ever won an argument against ANYONE with your estrogenous thought processes, it would mean the Second Coming of Christ.


Actually, his original statement was:
which means that I would either need to:
1. find one crime not committed by a black person, as I have done, or
2. find a counter-example to disprove the positive of "no black person has a police record."

Do you wish to play semantics, or make a point? If you HAD a point could you make it?

[raylu]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

No. I said he wasn't Christian because he isn't Christian but he was attempting to tell us TRUE CHRISTIANS™ what Christianity is about; something of which he has no clue. You are attempting to make the same point, but you are merely yappity-yap-yap-yapping, and not making any sense whatsoever.

And you are attempting to tell him what Christianity is about - the only difference is that you have labeled yourself a True Christian.
I never made any points that were similar to his; I only pointed out that your argument about him as a Christian was wrong.

I agree that you are refuting any hypothesis that you know anything whatsoever.

Hypothesis are tested, not refuted. That was ad hom.

Or we could simply agree that the JOOS are living on a sand dune surrounded by howling diaperheads, while we TRUE CHRISTIANS™ are living in paradise on earth and will live in paradise in the next life. Where I live gets 250 inches of pure, sweet rain a year. I care less about olive/dark.brown/yellow/red heathens. Let them eat cake.

I do agree that our location is better off than theirs. But this has nothing to do with any of the issues.

So white implies non-jewish?

I suppose that idea must have popped into your skull on a passing gust of wind.

If you agree that white does not imply non-Jewish, then explain this:

Was Jesus Jewish? He was as white as GOD.

What does him being white have anything to do with him not being a Jew?

Sorry, they are, for the most part, first person accounts. I suppose your sources include FOX news?

I never gave my sources on this matter. The sources listed for me were "contemporary witnesses."
I do not turn to a news channel for a history lesson.

You can never claim that you are God. Making that claim implies that if I win an argument against you, I have beaten God. Don't reduce God to your level.

I have never made such a claim, but it hardly matters. If you ever won an argument against ANYONE with your estrogenous thought processes, it would mean the Second Coming of Christ.

While debating me, you claimed that I could not win against God. Since the only person I was debating was you, I see no other way to make that claim.
The rest of that is further ad hom.

Do you wish to play semantics, or make a point? If you HAD a point could you make it?

I think a better question may be: if I had a point, would you be able to recognize it and respond to it instead of ad hom-ing me?

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

Pastor Pistle is not an "ad homo," you sick confused freak. Stop making coded advances on him or you will be banned without further notice.

Do you atheists ever think about anything but sex?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

And you are attempting to tell him what Christianity is about - the only difference is that you have labeled yourself a True Christian.

I don't like labels...except for qweers and such....but I am a TRUE CHRISTIAN(TM) since I follow what the KJV1611 (Authorized) Bible ACTUALLY says instead of what I might wish it would say.

I never made any points that were similar to his; I only pointed out that your argument about him as a Christian was wrong.

Sorry, you are wrong.

Hypothesis are tested, not refuted. That was ad hom.

Where did you study science? Hypotheses are tested and, if they fail, refuted. Evolution is a good example of a disproven hypothesis. The Democratic party is another.

I do agree that our location is better off than theirs. But this has nothing to do with any of the issues.

My dear Miss. Even if you chose to believe that we evolved from the big bang by extrapolating the expansion of the universe backwards in time with some arcane Jewish formula, you derive an infinitely small singularity of infinite density which expands at an infinitely hot temperature. That means the universe began as a sterile edifice and must have remained sterile unless GOD created life.

But if you somehow manage to ignore that simple fact, another remains. The Jews DO live on a sand dune surrounded by howling diaperheads. They could just as easily have had France, since the French were ready to surrender again in Algeria and Viet-Nam....but no! GOD stuck them in the desert for nailing up JESUS. There is nothing ad-hominem about it, you dunce!

If you agree that white does not imply non-Jewish, then explain this:

What does him being white have anything to do with him not being a Jew?

The moon is smaller than the earth, although it is further away. Do you actually read what you write?

I never gave my sources on this matter. The sources listed for me were "contemporary witnesses."
I do not turn to a news channel for a history lesson.

Then you have two choices. The most contemporary evidence there is, or none at all.

While debating me, you claimed that I could not win against God. Since the only person I was debating was you, I see no other way to make that claim.
The rest of that is further ad hom.

I claimed, and I still do, that you cannot argue with JESUS who sometimes speaks through one or more Landover Pastor. That isn't ad-hom, it's a fact. The trouble all started right there in Genesis 3:17 when Adam listened to Eve instead of slapping her good for not listening. "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

I think a better question may be: if I had a point, would you be able to recognize it and respond to it instead of ad hom-ing me?

Yes child, for I am a lamb of God. If you ever do have one, I will be happy to explain why you are wrong.

[raylu]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

And you are attempting to tell him what Christianity is about - the only difference is that you have labeled yourself a True Christian.

I don't like labels...except for qweers and such....but I am a TRUE CHRISTIAN™ since I follow what the KJV1611 (Authorized) Bible ACTUALLY says instead of what I might wish it would say.

Your statement merely says that you do, in fact, label yourself a True Christian.
Therefore, I restate my argument that what you say and what "Logical Thinking" said are exactly same - except for your label.

I never made any points that were similar to his; I only pointed out that your argument about him as a Christian was wrong.
Sorry, you are wrong.

Then show me where he claimed to be Christian.

Hypotheses are tested and, if they fail, refuted. Evolution is a good example of a disproven hypothesis.

Hypotheses are tested and, if they fail, rejected or disproved. Arguments are refuted.
The theory of evolution is...a theory.

the universe began as a sterile edifice and must have remained sterile unless GOD created life.

The universe began as a sterile edifice - agreed.
I see no reason why that means that the only way life could have arisen was through God's creation.

But I'd rather not get into this issue until I see the relevance.

But if you somehow manage to ignore that simple fact, another remains. The Jews DO live on a sand dune surrounded by howling diaperheads. They could just as easily have had France, since the French were ready to surrender again in Algeria and Viet-Nam....but no! GOD stuck them in the desert for nailing up JESUS.

Then how in the world is converting Africa - or any other part of the world - to Christianity justified? By your claim, only Americans are in the geographic location possible to be Christian.

There is nothing ad-hominem about it, you dunce!

You claim that you did not make an ad hom argument and proceed to make another one at me.

What does him being white have anything to do with him not being a Jew?

The moon is smaller than the earth, although it is further away. Do you actually read what you write?

Sorry, I don't see what you mean. Please explain your analogy about the moon.
To backtrack, you posted:

Was Jesus Jewish? He was as white as GOD.

I posted:

So white implies non-jewish?

You posted:

I suppose that idea must have popped into your skull on a passing gust of wind.

Then you have two choices. The most contemporary evidence there is, or none at all.

I will only accept a solution that solves the problem and does so fully. Just because a possible solution is presented and there exist none better does not mean that I should take it.
Likewise, the "most contemporary evidence" is the best available - but not proof of truth. Therefore, I take the third choice: I withhold my judgment.

I claimed, and I still do, that you cannot argue with JESUS who sometimes speaks through one or more Landover Pastor. That isn't ad-hom, it's a fact.

Your argument is circular:
If one believes that Jesus is speaking through you, one must also believe what you say. You say that Jesus is speaking through you.

Since you accept only the scriptures as proof, show me the reference.

By the way, I never claimed it was ad-hom.

The trouble all started right there in Genesis 3:17 when Adam listened to Eve instead of slapping her good for not listening. "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

What does this have to do with arguing with God, you being God, or Jesus speaking through you?

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times: slavery is the greatest thing to ever happen to the Negro race. Allow us to take a look at a few facts:

- Under slavery 100% of blacks were employed.
- Without slavery most blacks would never have heard the good news of Jesus Christ.
- Without slavery America would not have it's best football players and our Olympic basketball teams would repeatedly lose to Israel.
- Without African Americans who would the government test crack on so that the rest of us would know how bad it is?

I should also clarify that while slavery did bring hundreds of thousands of Africans to America, and that the vast, vast majority of living African Americans descended from those slaves, Barack Obama is not one of them. Please support the Birth Certificate campaign so that we can prove once and for all that Obama is a secret Muslim that was born in Kenya (or have a Geraldo-in-Al-Capone's-Vault-esque-clusterfuck).

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

[Nurse Clampett]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times: slavery is the greatest thing to ever happen to the Negro race. Allow us to take a look at a few facts:

- Under slavery 100% of blacks were employed.
- Without slavery most blacks would never have heard the good news of Jesus Christ.
- Without slavery America would not have it's best football players and our Olympic basketball teams would repeatedly lose to Israel.
- Without African Americans who would the government test crack on so that the rest of us would know how bad it is?

Amen, Brother. Black music has also suffered due to the abolishment of slavery. Look at how the negro lifted his voice to sing 150 years ago;

WOKE UP DIS MORNIN'
Oh, I woke up dis mornin' wid mah min' / An' it was stayed / Stayed on Jesus / Woke up dis
mornin' wid mah min' / An' it was stayed / Stayed on Jesus / Hallelujah Can't hate your neighbor in your min' / If you keep it stayed / Stayed on Jesus / Can't hate
your neighbor in your min' / An' it was stayed / Stayed on Jesus / Hallelujah
Makes you love everybody with your min' / When you keep it stayed / Stayed on Jesus /
Makes you love everybody with your min' / When you keep it stayed / Stayed on Jesus /
Hallelujah
De devil can't catch you in your min' / If you keep it stayed / Stayed on Jesus / De devil can't
catch you in your min' / If you keep it stayed / Stayed on Jesus / Hallelujah
Jesus is de captain in your min' / When you keep it stayed / Stayed on Jesus / Jesus is de
captain in your min' / When you keep it stayed / Stayed on Jesus / Hallelujah

Now, lets look at the words of a contemporary wild buck named 50 Cent and see how the negros have suffered socially after so called freedom;

Man Down (Censored) Lyrics

[50 Cent]
AOWWWW~! It hurts...
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah - YEAH!!

D's tryin to plant a murder on me
In the precinct they sayin I done murdered homey
I told my lawyer I ain't heard of homey
And e'rybody know my niggaz buried him fo' me
You see I'm on your crib it ain't a burglary homey
They fin' to have me stuck in purgatory
I'm down to do the stickin when it come to the orgy
Conventional methods of sex, totally bore me
Wait~! I'm gettin sidetracked, back to the story
These c*cksuckin {*censored*} got it in fo' me
{*censored*} they wanna {*censored*} me up
{*censored*} me find my burner and {*censored*} me up
But history repeats itself, they never learn
The Unit's the new people who gon' {*censored*}
Huh, we'll find out when niggaz let off the rounds
And this {*censored*} screamin {*censored*} down

[Chorus]
Get in the way, I'll murder dem
I'll murder dem
A nigga already got three strikes, I'll murder dem
I said I'll murder dem
Any motherf*cker touch me, I'll murder dem
I'll murder dem
You don't believe me wait and see, I'll murder dem
You see I told you I'd murder dem

[50 Cent]
They sayin I'm an accident waitin to happen
I got one in the head, I'm just waitin to clap it
A pimp told me I was made for this mack sh*t
So just get you a white girl, don't piffle with no black bitch
I got two felonies, from sellin that crack sh*t
And the third one, came from showin niggaz my mac spit
See I'm down for that daytime action
Have niggaz crawlin under cars when I start to cappin
So they don't know what to say to the {*censored*}
But they know if word get back, somethin gon' happen
I've been shot, I've been stabbed, but I ain't been snitched on
When you snitchin where I'm from you gon' get your shit blown
Southside - I make the best of the worst
We gotta share the same bitch, okay I go first
Cause your, baby's momma is my, baby's momma
I come through to see my little nigga with the llama

[Dan Waldmire]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

Here are my thoughts on the subject:

Many people would look at slavery as something negative toward colored people, but I do not think this is the case.

Look at the situations in which they are allowed to run free:

In Africa, they are breeding like rabbits and are unable to feed their own children and even themselves. They spread AIDS even faster than the homosexual population and life in filth and degradation. They do not know how to help themselves and clearly demonstrate this again and again.

Now, I hear some of you Liberals crying, oh, but it's because of the bad conditions in Africa, but no, have a look at the colored people here in the USA. Violence, starvation, drug use, muggings. They fight and kill white people and they fight and kill each other. Most of them do not have the money to feed themselves and their children, just like in Africa.

I would like to suggest that enslaving them would help them. It would put them under the care of intelligent, money making people. Those in Africa could be use to produce crops there, and would live a better life with good food under the rule of white people and become valuable members of society rather than a burden. Same goes for the blacks in the United States. They could be used as a work force and in exchange given rooms to live in and food to eat, more than many of the free ones have today! And instead of being burdens on America, they would be important work tools and would overall have a better quality of life. We could also breed the more docile of them together to get rid of the violent gene that seems to be so prevalent in colored people. It's a win win situation and people let their emotions get in the way of good solid logic.

[Tertius The Scribe]

Re: Let's bring back Slavery!

If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times: slavery is the greatest thing to ever happen to the Negro race. Allow us to take a look at a few facts:

- Under slavery 100% of blacks were employed.
- Without slavery most blacks would never have heard the good news of Jesus Christ.
- Without slavery America would not have it's best football players and our Olympic basketball teams would repeatedly lose to Israel.
- Without African Americans who would the government test crack on so that the rest of us would know how bad it is?

I should also clarify that while slavery did bring hundreds of thousands of Africans to America, and that the vast, vast majority of living African Americans descended from those slaves, Barack Obama is not one of them. Please support the Birth Certificate campaign so that we can prove once and for all that Obama is a secret Muslim that was born in Kenya (or have a Geraldo-in-Al-Capone's-Vault-esque-clusterpiffle).

This man is the best thing to happen to the Negro race since Strom Thurmond! You'd deserve some sort of award from the NAACP, were they not a bunch of racist, radical, liberal, anarchist, communist Jews!