[Johny Joe Hold]

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I believe that Tochou is trying to fool us into thinking she really believes what she is posting here.

To think that someone could believe women are equal to men, that a woman should not obey her man and so on is just something I have never encountered before. I think she had the idea it would be fun to play with us a while, and, then return to a normal relationship with her man where he is the boss.

[BelieverInGod]

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http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/daily...ertson_urg.php

I'll make a disclosure here: I think Pat Robertson is one of America's great national leaders.

In the above video, he gives advice to a newly converted Christian woman who loves an atheist man. He tells the woman she should end the relationship--there is no hope. The atheist man is a tool of Satan and nothing good can come of the relationship.

I've heard our own Pastors say the same thing on Sundays at Landover Baptist, but it can only help to hear the message reinforced on national television.

Well the article does say he's a fiancee (of 4 years? Yeah, he's really committed) so yes, she can go in peace as they're not yet married.

We don't have basements in this part of the country - the water table is too high for them, and they flood.
As for chaining women up as an act of love, I think you've watched "Black Snake Moan" a few too many times.
And don't ever make the mistake of thinkning that you can get wawy with hitting me. I hit back, and I hit hard.
It is most definitely NOT in my natue to submit to anyone just because he has dangly bits between his thighs.

Wow, just wow. Another femnazi bulldyke telling me what to believe. Oh you're so tough, you beat up men. Do you really think you'll get a husband that way? Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

[Higgins]

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While I do not think that it is possible to marry outside one's religion and still have a happy and successful marriage, I find it slightly disturbing that Mr. Robertson does not cite any scriptural sources for his belief. Of course this may be because of the time slot given to him, but still it would be good for a pastor to cite those.

[Jedediah]

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While I do not think that it is possible to marry outside one's religion and still have a happy and successful marriage, I find it slightly disturbing that Mr. Robertson does not cite any scriptural sources for his belief. Of course this may be because of the time slot given to him, but still it would be good for a pastor to cite those.

I agree that our assertions should always be backed up with Scripture. Otherwise, how would we know if they are True™? You have to understand that Rev. Pat is advancing in years and may be slipping a bit. I'm sure he meant to cite the following:

II Corinthians 6:14-17
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

[Disciple Luke]

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The first "date" my wife and I had was her taking me to her church. I absolutely adored her from the day I set eyes on her and she was not going to go out with a non believer. Praise Jesus she did not compromise her principles. OK. It technically wasn't a "date" but it makes for a good story. And I did drive her home after church and when I walked her to her front door I did meet her parents. They weren't church goers at that stage but did come back to the Lord a few years later. Thankfully before they went to meet him face to face.

[BelieverInGod]

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The first "date" my wife and I had was her taking me to her church. I absolutely adored her from the day I set eyes on her and she was not going to go out with a non believer. Praise Jesus she did not compromise her principles. OK. It technically wasn't a "date" but it makes for a good story. And I did drive her home after church and when I walked her to her front door I did meet her parents. They weren't church goers at that stage but did come back to the Lord a few years later. Thankfully before they went to meet him face to face.

So do you think the woman in the letter should leave? Or should she stay and try and convert her fiancee?

[Disciple Luke]

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So do you think the woman in the letter should leave? Or should she stay and try and convert her fiancee?

That's a hard one Sister BelieverInGod.

Undoubtedly she must not marry him the way it stands. I guess it says she has only recently become a Christian. So maybe she can give it some time to see whether he will find Jesus too. Maybe until Christmas. But any longer than that and I think she is wasting her time and should have some single time to consolidate her relationship with God and then ask Him to find her a good Christian husband.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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That's a hard one Sister BelieverInGod.

Undoubtedly she must not marry him the way it stands. I guess it says she has only recently become a Christian. So maybe she can give it some time to see whether he will find Jesus too. Maybe until Christmas. But any longer than that and I think she is wasting her time and should have some single time to consolidate her relationship with God and then ask Him to find her a good Christian husband.

As for advice, it's hard to beat that of Brother Jedehiah, II Corinthians 6:14-17.

"be ye separate, saith the Lord"

In today's language, that is "Show him the door."

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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People with differing religious beliefs marry and remain happily married all the time. As long as one spouse isn't constantly trying to convert the other, it's not a problem.

That'd explain the higher-than-average divorce rate among interfaith couples.

Inter-faith marriage divorce data and opinions:

Vera Lawlor, from The Bergen Record in Hakensack, NJ., wrote that inter-faith marriages have a failure rate that is 50% higher than same-faith marriages. She does not cite a source for this datum. Since the rate for all marriages is on the order of 50%, this would imply an almost 75% failure rate for inter-faith marriages - 3 chances out of 4. 5

Emmanual Clapsis writes: "Controversy abounds on the topic of survival rates, but the best studies show a higher survival rate for single faith marriages than interfaith marriages" This may be due to differences in marital satisfaction. He states that several unidentified studies agree that religiously mixed marriages are less satisfying than single-faith marriages. 6 One was a nationwide survey conducted in the 1970's. One factor may be that when spouses follow separate religious traditions, an opportunity for companionship is reduced.

Esther Perel, an inter- faith marital therapist, referring to Jewish - Christian marriages wrote in New York Magazine: "The difference isn't just between Moses and Christ. You're dealing with issues of money, sex, education, child-rearing practices, food, family relationships, styles of emotional expressiveness, issues of autonomy -- all of these are culturally embedded." 7

A 1993 study published in Demography showed that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) were the least likely of all faith groups to divorce: After five years of marriage, only 13% of LDS couples had divorced. But when a Mormon marries a non-Mormon, the divorce rate was found to have increased more than three-fold to 40%. Similar data for Jews were 27% and 42%. 8

Egon Mayer, a professor at Brooklyn College, published another study confirming that inter-faith couples experience higher divorce rates. Referring to the case where one spouse abandons their religion and adopts their spouse's faith, he said in USA Today: "When you bury something that is really important to you, all you're doing is building up a kind of pressure within the family relationship, which becomes a source of tension, which ultimately becomes a time bomb. If there's any reason why intermarriages break up, it's because of that time bomb." 7

It's possible the man could find Jesus, as Luke suggests. But that would require him to stop hating God long enough to see His unconditional Love in everything around us. In my experience, atheists simply cannot do this. Here's their mindset:

I say, "Look at the pretty flowers, and all the happy buzzing bees! God makes wonderful things!"

Atheist says, "I'm violently allergic to bee stings. They could kill me! And what about mosquitoes, they give you malaria and West Nile disease!"

I say, "Look at the lovely ocean, and all the beautiful creatures in it! God made an amazing underwater world!"

Atheist says, "Sharks, jellyfish, fire coral . . . What a horrible thing the ocean is!"

I say, "Look at the light of the Lord in the face of this child, saved from abortion! God created this beautiful, only slightly malformed and moderately learning disabled child through the vehicle of incestuous rape and drug abuse! Isn't His Plan glorious?"

Atheist says, "Who's going to feed that unwanted, ugly retard? Its own mother hates it as a reminder of what her father, grandfather, and three brothers did to her, and has cast it aside. It will grow up to suck welfare until old enough to rape and rob an old lady! Why was it even born? Is creating evil your god's 'plan'?"

See? I don't believe that the atheist is likely to find Jesus.