Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

[Johny Joe Hold]

We at Landover Baptist need to help those who do not understand legal complexities. A case in point is the stabbing of Solomon Rushdie. You may remember he wrote a book making light of some false god. He was put under a fatwa. That is an order he be killed. Rushdie was recently stabbed but survived.

It was wrong to stab Rushdie for making fun of a false god. But, it should be remembered making light of the Real God is actual blaspheme. Atheists who make light of God think they are just practicing free speech. But it is blaspheme, a different thing entirely.

Mark 3:28-30 defines clearly blaspheme. A dictionary definition tells us, "...is an insult that shows contempt, disrespect or lack of reverence concerning a deity."

We live in a Christian country. That means we need strong laws endorsing Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit. Just as important are laws against blasphemy. While we await the return of President Trump and positive changes, like a law against blaspheme, we need to begin now to understand this law is coming and avoid violating it right now.

Rushdie's right to blasphemy, not free speech, was attacked at Chautauqua (religionnews.com)

[Dennis Lukes]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

Exactly. I appreciate Salmon Rushdie for making fun of those stupid goat-raping Islams and their retarded Muslimic faith, and it's also hilarious he got stabbed in the face because he's an Atheist. Where in the Bible does God give us a right to free speech? Nowhere. Yes, we have free will to say whatever we want, but you mock God and you burn in Hell.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

This whole episode has left me asking a lot of questions. I would like to see the Landover Baptist Church being able to issue fatwas, and then what do we do about Romans 13 when an election is stolen?

I certainly long for the days when Godly George W. Bush was president and we were killing mooselimbs in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan so we wouldn't have to put up with them here.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

Hollywood is committing blasphemy as we speak. There is unending publicity for a new movie that is billed as a "dark satirical comedy." Right in the name, Honk for Jesus, Save Your Soul, we can see something like what Rushdie did to Mohamed. Now atheists are turning on Jesus.

"Dark satirical comedy" about Jesus is the last thing this country needs. This is not covered under free speech. We need a nation-wide boycott of this blasphemy.

Adamme and Adanne Ebo With Daniel Kaluuya Discuss The Inspiration For ‘Honk For Jesus. Save Your Soul’ – Scene 2 Seen Podcast (yahoo.com)

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

https://news.yahoo.com/courteney-cox-responds-kanye-wests-151922217.html

In one of your reports (thank you) there was criticism for West's opinion that "Friends" wasn't funny. Apparently it's SLANDER to do so. I have no idea who Courteney Cox is but did visit someone who watched "Friends" at mealtimes. Not that much attention was given but one day a report that the show was nominated for a comedy award surprised me.

“It's a comedy?” I thought.

Or it could have been "Cheers" which is another show featuring the sort of people I've spent my entire life avoiding doing exactly the things that made me avoid them in the first place. In my foolishness Ecclesiastes 7:25 I'd thought they were soap operas. Of course the actors are entitled to accept any scripts sent to them, generally work hard and do a decent job – after all there's something for everyone and if there isn't you don't have to subscribe to the platform: zero: zip: nada. None of it is entertaining as far as I'm concerned, neither drama nor comedy, quiz nor what passes for reality, so-called News bulletins nor those ridiculous cooking things which anyone could read from a recipe book in a fraction of the time. Although I must say the bird watching show on radio (sometimes it comes on when I'm driving) is fascinating.

“Shhhh!”
[long pause]
whispers “The Long Wattled Umbrella Bird..”
[long pause]
different person whispers “It's quite far out of range; a real treat.”
“Shhhh!”

I think it lasts an hour but I've never listened to the end. Very dull. Other than in the sense of imagining why they thought bird watching on radio was a good idea. But is expressing that opinion SLANDER?

Shhhh!

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

Here's another example of what must stop. The local paper here in Des Moines, the Des Moines Register, had a long story today about abortion. You would think a story about abortion, exercising freedom of speech, would point out it is sin and that Jesus hates it.

Instead, the story was about our neighboring state, Minnesota, and how it will keep abortion available to harlot women in Iowa. This even if Iowa outlaws abortion. Women in Iowa should not be informed abortions are available in Minnesota. This is merely blasphemy disguised as "information" or free speech.

How new Planned Parenthood leader views future of abortion in Midwest (desmoinesregister.com)

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

Additionally it's blasphemy against The Holy Spirit. Essentially there are two types of relationship. Those who rule over others and those who are beneath. This is facilitated by desire. Common or garden variety blaspheming was covered in your original post as was showing contempt or disrespect; media maniacs intent on twisting words even regard expressing an opinion as slander, such as whether a joke is funny. Most jokes are NOT funny so ⅘ of the population are slandering the other ⅕ every time a stupid joke is recited and they don't laugh. In the beginning, after Jesus created the universe, God's presence was as The Holy Spirit.

Genesis 1:2
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Everything ran smoothly for a while until some unpleasant legal wrangling blasted Creation with some very specific consequences. There was disobedience, fruit consumption, ogling of nudity, shame and murder. Two instances are described in Genesis.

Genesis 4:5b, 6, 7
Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

What is God talking about here? What is the precedent establishing such a rulership dynamic with respect to sin? Notice how desire is flowing from the sin entity and in return that entity is diminished, ruled over, a wretched thing. Unless it likes being ruled over I suppose but it's still not what God intended. Here is the precedent.

Genesis 3:13, 16
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Here again, desire is flowing from the sin entity and in return that entity is diminished, ruled over, becoming a wretched thing. It is that desire producing the need for abortions, very clearly set out there by God; obviously if the sin entity was happy for the situation to continue the question does not arise. Planned Parenthood is dealing with the other cases and to generate some other dynamic, some other "paradigm" as they say, is to propose a rulership dynamic contradicting God. We've already seen that the way God determined this was as The Holy Spirit, moving upon the face of the waters and discerning the need for land, stars, trees and so on. Any "new paradigm" such as reported in the Des Moines Register, contradicts this discernment and the outcomes of desire energy flowing from sin.

That is how we know blaspheming in this way is to blaspheme against The Holy Spirit, confirmed by Mark in the reference you provided. There are people who reject The Bible as rubbish cooked up in social systems of the very worst type by the least ethical elements within them. None of the history is real, they say, and values we treasure today resulted from developing new ideas for ourselves. In order to keep them, we need to discuss alternatives and make sure unethical proposals are identified and repudiated wherever they are found. They are free to do that and to hold those opinions but I hope that understanding God's message to Eve and to Cain show how far away that thinking removes us from God's Perfect Love, the kindest love of all.

[Dennis Lukes]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

This whole episode has left me asking a lot of questions. I would like to see the Landover Baptist Church being able to issue fatwas, and then what do we do about Romans 13 when an election is stolen?

Amen. If some Iranian sh*tbag can issue death warrants for people he doesn't like, Pastor Ezekiel should be able to do the same for the people Jesus hates. Of course, inciting violence and death threats are crimes, so our GOP lawmakers better get on with replacing the Constitution with the Bible (their piecemeal approach is frustratingly slow so far).

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Free Speech Does Not Permit Blasphemy

Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan

questions . . . Baptist Church . . . fatwas . . . Romans 13¹

Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes

Iranian . . . Pastor Ezekiel . . . inciting violence and death threats are crimes . . . Constitution . . . Bible

Thank you for an encouraging post. We know all about Persians, Arabs, Turks and others like that.

Originally Posted by Percy Bysshe Shelley

I met a Traveller from an antique land,
Who said, “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them,..on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings.
Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that Colossal Wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

They hold that I am the vilest of creatures. More disgusting than a paralysis tick, lower down than eyeball worms, whatever you can think of that's revolting, I am worse than that. Koran 8:55² if you want to look it up. Sounds pretty sneering to me: Percy expresses it better than I could in the section I've highlighted so I'll let him do that and rely on your noticing photographs of these foreign potentates to complete the picture. Their belief system is as repulsive in its application as it's abhorrent in its texts and I will never embrace it.

There are examples of God's Perfect Love in this respect and its implementation where discipline is called for. I might walk off with some of love offerings for example, maybe to get that new pair of shoes I've got my eye on. And there's a nice jacket for the cooler months currently just out of my price range. How would such carrying-on be addressed?

Acts 5
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price . . . Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land . . . ? Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

It was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

Same cause. Same outcome. And Peter didn't need to stab anyone. Now that's what I call A Living God!


1. I added the link to Acts
2. https://archive.org/details/englishtranslationoftheholyquranbymarmadukepicktha ll/page/n209/mode/2up