[Wide-Open]

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''I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.'' With this, you're making God look very easy

I really don't see your point here. After 40 years, them damned joos got a little thirsty, and God provided. What's wrong with that?

You don't give much of a choice in life tho. Do everything the Bible and Church tell you, or its eternal suffering and damnation for you. Sounds like means for controlling masses, rather than how our Creator wants us to live life

Again, I as a mere mortal have little to "give". The Bible makes it perfectly clear how to be a good person, and how to be unsaved trash.

And of course God controlls the masses. How could he be God if He didn't? That would be a joke, right?

Anyway, you seemed to think the Bible is only about happy clappy folk'. It's not.

If I at least made that clear to you, then I may have accomplished something today.

Don't forget that it's never too late friend. Free will, you said it. The difference between sippin' a cold one with the Lord, and ending up in Hell (a really nasty place, BTW) is YOUR choice.

[Brian Ashmore]

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He loves all the children who love Him back.

And those that use the mind he has given them for a change and DARE to question the origins and intentions of what they were told is right and what to believe since the vulnerable ages of 4 years may be wrong, but still do believe in him and follow the teachings that don't promote violence and intolerance are sent straight to hell. Yep, makes perfect sense.

Children are too young to know where they stand on such issues,
just as they are too young to know where they stand on economics
or politics. It's not right for you to strip them of their freedom of choice and free will, which you yourself agree God has given us, and condemn them because their opinions and beliefs don't fit with yours

[James Hutchins]

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And those that use the mind he has given them for a change and DARE to question the origins and intentions of what they were told is right and what to believe since the vulnerable ages of 4 years may be wrong, but still do believe in him and follow the teachings that don't promote violence and intolerance are sent straight to hell. Yep, makes perfect sense.

Children are too young to know where they stand on such issues,
just as they are too young to know where they stand on economics
or politics. It's not right for you to strip them of their freedom of choice and free will, which you yourself agree God has given us, and condemn them because their opinions and beliefs don't fit with yours

Brian, we are not doing that. The Bible instructs us to. We simply follow what it say.

Once the child become old enough to understand, it has the opportunity to repent the sins it carries. But until that point in time, the child damned. Do not get mad at us. How does that saying go, something like "Do not shot the messinger".

[Wide-Open]

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And those that use the mind he has given them for a change and DARE to question the origins and intentions of what they were told is right and what to believe since the vulnerable ages of 4 years may be wrong, but still do believe in him and follow the teachings that don't promote violence and intolerance are sent straight to hell. Yep, makes perfect sense.

Brian, I'm sure you are a clever guy. But... what I'm saying is that we - at Landover Baptist Church - follow the whole Bible. Where would we be without it? Do you have any secundary sources for the teachings of Christ?

No, you - and we - don't. We only know about Jesus because we have the Bible.

Children are too young to know where they stand on such issues,
just as they are too young to know where they stand on economics
or politics.

Of course they are, and that's where parents are in charge of disciplining them.

It's not right for you to strip them of their freedom of choice and free will, which you yourself agree God has given us, and condemn them because their opinions and beliefs don't fit with yours

Can you tell my where I stripped anyone of their freedom of choice?

I don't condemn them, the Bible does (and tells me to condemn them). Can you please make the distinction between me - Wide-Open - and the Word of God?

Thank you.

[Brian Ashmore]

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Again, I as a mere mortal have little to "give". The Bible makes it perfectly clear how to be a good person, and how to be unsaved trash.

Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible. A holy book that supposedly contains the rules to life and only true word of God shouldn't be edited at all. It should be kept as it is, without people writing their own stuff in, and taking stuff they don't like out.

And of course God controlls the masses. How could he be God if He didn't? That would be a joke, right?

God obviously doesn't control the masses, else there would be no ''heathens''. If you stop and take a look around, you would notice that God doesn't control anything really.

Now, I want you to know something. This is sincere. When it comes to believing in God, I tried. I tried to believe that there is a God who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the
more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.Something is wrong here.

War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, etc... Now, I know what you're gonna say, that this is all what we brought upon us ourselves. But just now, you said that God controls the masses, so there. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being.

So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit(which would explain a lot of these results, by the way).

I decided to do the reasonable thing and believe in another higher power. It has no name, it doesn't judge cruelly, it doesn't tell me I'm a bad person that needs to be saved, it just is. Just like the universe just is. Just like life just is. There is no explanation, and probably never will be. It's up to you if you will listen, or keep believing in that nonsense.

I rest my case.

[Brian Ashmore]

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And James, every post you make reeks of hypocrisy, contradicts itself, and makes no sense. Please, just stop.

[Brian Ashmore]

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Brian, I'm sure you are a clever guy. But... what I'm saying is that we - at Landover Baptist Church - follow the whole Bible. Where would we be without it? Do you have any secundary sources for the teachings of Christ?

No, you - and we - don't. We only know about Jesus because we have the Bible.

You do, and of course you are free to do so. I won't tell or instruct you what to believe and I wont tell you whats right and wrong. It's up to you to decide that for yourself, but you have to know and live with the consequences of your actions and decisions.

I don't condemn them, the Bible does (and tells me to condemn them). Can you please make the distinction between me - Wide-Open - and the Word of God?

That one contradicts itself. First you say you don't condemn them, but the Bible does. Then you say you DO condemn them because the Bible does. So in the end, you do condemn them.

[GOD=life]

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Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible.

That is only true technically because God dictated it to them.

without people writing their own stuff in, and taking stuff they don't like out.

Exactemundo! Welcome to True Christianity!

So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit(which would explain a lot of these results, by the way).

You are basing that statement on your assumption that God should do everything for us like a slave. It doesn't work that way. God gave us everything we need, including life, souls and this earth. If you build your house on sand, don't blame God for your choices.

Don't you find it reasonable that we as humans at least try to do something constructive with the gigantic gift that God gave us?

[Wide-Open]

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Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible.

Brian, it may not be a surprise to you: we heard that argument before.

But.

If God is all powerful, why would He allow to have His Manual corrupted like that. That doesn't make sense, does it?

Either you accept the idea of an omnipotent Being (as I do) or you just reject it right off the bat. Right?

Now, I want you to know something. This is sincere. When it comes to believing in God, I tried. I tried to believe that there is a God who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the
more you look around, the more you realize, something is piffleed up.Something is wrong here.

Friend, I don't blame you. You are searching, and you see the ugliness around you. May you come to the right conclusion.

But just now, you said that God controls the masses, so there. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being.

Well, it helps that He never has to apply for a job.

(sorry! just joking Lord!)

I decided to do the reasonable thing and believe in another higher power. It has no name, it doesn't judge cruelly, it doesn't tell me I'm a bad person that needs to be saved, it just is. Just like the universe just is. Just like life just is. There is no explanation, and probably never will be. It's up to you if you will listen, or keep believing in that nonsense.

I don't think you are a bad person Brian, just a little bit confused. Let's face it: what evidence do you have for this "universal" God? None, right?

Heck, you might as well become an atheist!

I rest my case.

That's a shame, as I thought we were having a real conversation here.

I will pray for you though.

[James Hutchins]

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And James, every post you make reeks of hypocrisy, contradicts itself, and makes no sense. Please, just stop.

Well, aren't you Mr. Negativity. Who put the bees under your bonnet.

It is obvous that my short but sweet, direct to the point comments are too much for your gentile ears.

I was unaware you were the internet police.

[Nobar King]

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Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible. A holy book that supposedly contains the rules to life and only true word of God shouldn't be edited at all. It should be kept as it is, without people writing their own stuff in, and taking stuff they don't like out.

God wrote the Bible, but you're right, many false Bibles have been printed by men over the years and we are as much against them as you are.

We use the original KJV 1611 Bible which is NOT edited by man. It is the pure word of God.

[Brian Ashmore]

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God wrote the Bible, but you're right, many false Bibles have been printed by men over the years and we are as much against them as you are.

We use the original KJV 1611 Bible which is NOT edited by man. It is the pure word of God.

And how would you know that? Every other version of the Bible claims is the true one, and yours does too. You have no definite proof it is true, besides your belief it is. Just like every other religion only has their belief in their holy book.

[Brian Ashmore]

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Well, aren't you Mr. Negativity. Who put the bees under your bonnet.

It is obvous that my short but sweet, direct to the point comments are too much for your gentile ears.

I was unaware you were the internet police.

First off, learn to spell. Second off, your ''short, but sweet and direct to the point comments'' are pure nonsense. Your sentences contradict themselves and you have yet to make a point or argument in this discussion. If you don't have anything to contribute to it, keep out and watch. You may learn something.

I won't answer to your posts because they simply don't deserve an answer.

[Brian Ashmore]

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Friend, I don't blame you. You are searching, and you see the ugliness around you. May you come to the right conclusion.

I don't think you are a bad person Brian, just a little bit confused. Let's face it: what evidence do you have for this "universal" God? None, right?

Heck, you might as well become an atheist!

I'm not searching, and I am not the least bit confused. I researched most Religions there are today, and read their Holy books, and I came to the right conclusion that my heart and mind tell me it is.

I have as much evidence for the existence of my higher power as you have for the existence of your God. Only difference is, I didn't write a book and claimed it's the word of that higher power.

There is nothing wrong with atheism. Everyone, just like you, has the freedom to believe in what they think is right. You believe the Bible and Jesus are the truth. The people in India believe the same thing about Lord Krishnu and Lord Shiva. The people in the middle east believe the same thing about Allah.

Calling me an Atheist would be just like calling everyone else that follows a different religion than your own an Atheist. I respect other peoples beliefs, and will not call it false, because there is no evidence for any of it.

My personal quote: We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know.

And I want to rest my case, because on here, we can't have a decent conversation. I think its a good one, and so far I'm enjoying it, put there are all the others who comment, and I can't reply to all of them. Am not omnipotent

[GOD=life]

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First off all, learn to spell. Secondly off, your ''short, but sweet and direct to the point comments'' are pure nonsense. Your sentences contradict themselves and you have yet to make a point or argument in this discussion. If you don't have anything to contribute to it, keep out and watch. You may learn something.
I won't answer to your posts because they simply don't deserve an answer.

You use a lot of words to convey a message that has nothing constructive or intelligent in it, Brian.

You don't have to be hateful, you know. We have nothing to prove to you. If you refuse God, then you will pay the price, Brian.

We can merely say "but Brian, please come to Heaven with us". We don't say that we WANT you to go to Hell, Brian. We are really praying and hoping that you will reconsider and let go of your sinful lifestyle and open yourself up to God, Brian. Then your life on earth will be great and your life when you die.

Doesn't that sound like a grand idea, Brian?