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  • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

    Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
    I hadn't noticed anything beyond a Lake of Fire and lots of demons mentioned in the Bible. Perhaps I overlooked such things as you describe; could you point me to them?
    Once again honorable Mr. Rodimer I shall endeavor to do my best to find scriptual citation for those aspects of Hell. My origional descriptions were based in my own literary imagination for what I supposed the fiend Satan could prepare to torture damned souls, but let us see what the good word has to say about this.

    First off, we have Revelations 20:9-10

    "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

    On the onset here, we realize Hell is not only a place of fire and brimstone, but a place populated with all manner of vile things. Another thing to consider is the fact there is an active state of torment never-ceasing which will last an eternity. In my understanding of infinity, every possible combination of horrifying and torturous activities will occur an inumerable ammount of times. That's one of the unfortunate things about Hell, the knowledge of pain and suffering there is complete enough to ensure that an infinite selection of punishments are available to the great masses of the damned.

    Amos 5:18

    "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."

    Here we see at the final judgement those found lacking will find themselves entering a realm of darkness. So besides the fire, brimstnone, demons, devils, and torture, it will predominantly be hard to see it happening to boot. Something tells me occasions for seeing it coming and occasions for not will both be available throughout the course of eternity.

    Matthew 24:50-51

    "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

    Here was see an example of the effects of the torture where the psychological pain of damnation manifests itself in the tears of the judged as well as the physical pain associated with pain so hard, your teeth grate together through your screams. The point here is that not only will the body be continuously torn and marred, so will the mind. Considering Lucifer was once one of God's greatest angel's his intelligence and insight will prove completely devestating to the all to fragile human psyche.

    2 Thessalonians 1:9

    "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"

    Here we see one of the worst punishemnts of Hell, the knowledge of Heaven and Christ. Here we know the damned are fully aware of the implications of their sinful lives and must exist not only in torment, but in regret and shame as well.

    Finally, Revelations 20:1-3

    "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

    Another aspect of Hell is the fact it is infite in dimension, being a bottomless pit. Also note the vetical nature of what structuralization it might have. It is easy to assume from this that plenty of falling and catching might occur as one passes from one torture to the next in the ht, dark world of Hell.

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    • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

      Originally posted by Ebenezer Wright View Post
      Boy, I have the fire of Jesus Christ burning inside me, I think I know what I am doing! Maybe you should read your Bible a little more, at the very least it can help you learn to spell a little better.

      And that is called a miracle, Jesus doesn't do magic!
      Sounds like MAGIC to me, and I can spell just fine thank you very much. Why don't you get a life instead of waisting your time reading the bible

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      • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

        Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
        Sounds like MAGIC to me, and I can spell just fine thank you very much. Why don't you get a life instead of wasting your time reading the Bible
        Boy, just because you have fallen into the satanic world of magic, does not mean you have to try and pull Jesus down with you. He led a sinless and wonderful life! You sound as if you are 15, and you can not provide any proof to your claims!


        Deuteronomy 18-
        10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

        11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
        Gather around so that I can read to you from my book of TRUTH. Genesis thru Revelations....Pick one!

        Luke 12:5- But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

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        • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

          Originally posted by Ebenezer Wright View Post
          Boy, just because you have fallen into the satanic world of magic, does not mean you have to try and pull Jesus down with you. He led a sinless and wonderful life! You sound as if you are 15, and you can not provide any proof to your claims!


          Deuteronomy 18-
          10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

          11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
          If they are indeed abominations to the lord why doesn't he just strike them down with a lightning bolt or something?

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          • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

            Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
            I have completely given up on this who Christianity thing its you mammals have convinced me that it is not the religion for a free spirited person like myself, if you can find me a religion that makes a little more sense then yours i would love to hear about it
            Whe exactly would be the point of "picking" a religion?

            God isn't one of several outfits in your closet, BRK. You can't pick a different religion depending upon how you feel a particular day.

            God is either real, or He is not. If He is, then "picking" a false religion will anger Him, and you will go to Hell. If He is not real, then it seems fair to assume that none of those other "gods" are real, either, so "picking" a religion would really be choosing a way of worshipping your own imagination.

            Why not at least be honest about what you want to do? There's no difference in God's eyes between worshipping a false god like Allah or Dagon or Barack Obama and worshipping your own imagination.
            Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
            ive read the bible... besides your religion is based on some all powerful being . and some people 2000 years ago clamed to see him what if your religion is a hoax. and you dont belive in magic how else would jesus turn water into wine or feed 5000 people with like 8 fish and 10 loaves of bread with left overs
            If you don't believe in "magic", how would God create an entire universe out of nothing? How would He appear in a burning bush? (No, this is nothing like your herpes outbreak.) How would He part the Red Sea for Moses?
            Bible boring? Nonsense!
            Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
            You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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            • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

              Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
              Whe exactly would be the point of "picking" a religion?

              God isn't one of several outfits in your closet, BRK. You can't pick a different religion depending upon how you feel a particular day.

              God is either real, or He is not. If He is, then "picking" a false religion will anger Him, and you will go to Hell. If He is not real, then it seems fair to assume that none of those other "gods" are real, either, so "picking" a religion would really be choosing a way of worshipping your own imagination.

              Why not at least be honest about what you want to do? There's no difference in God's eyes between worshipping a false god like Allah or Dagon or Barack Obama and worshipping your own imagination.
              If you don't believe in "magic", how would God create an entire universe out of nothing? How would He appear in a burning bush? (No, this is nothing like your herpes outbreak.) How would He part the Red Sea for Moses?[/quote]
              I have found my new religion im going to be buddhist

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              • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
                If you don't believe in "magic", how would God create an entire universe out of nothing? How would He appear in a burning bush? (No, this is nothing like your herpes outbreak.) How would He part the Red Sea for Moses?
                Are you saying that a miracle is magick? A miracle is of God, something supernatural that He can perform since He is outside of the Laws of our Reality, whereas magick is a satanic ritual performed by the Prince of Darkness to try to trick people into believing that God isn't powerful.

                Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
                I have found my new religion im going to be buddhist
                Great, at least you picked an inspiring religion
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                • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                  Originally posted by Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S. View Post
                  Are you saying that a miracle is magick? A miracle is of God, something supernatural that He can perform since He is outside of the Laws of our Reality, whereas magick is a satanic ritual performed by the Prince of Darkness to try to trick people into believing that God isn't powerful.


                  Great, at least you picked an inspiring religion
                  Buddhism isn't corrupted like your religion

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                  • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                    Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
                    I have found my new religion im going to be buddhist
                    Great. A religion that exhorts you to be completely apathetic. A religion full of followers so emasculated that they're not supposed to kill spiders in their bathtubs. Do you think Buddhists stop wearing leather? No, they just ostracize the leatherworkers.

                    I can see how you might be tempted-- eternity must seem like a mighty long time to you; you must be eager to escape it. I'm sure you'd rather believe that the pain in your life isn't your fault, that some far-removed, barely-you soul is to blame for the ways you've screwed up your life.

                    If there's one thing that drives me crazy, it's a self-denying sinner. You've got the rest of eternity to suffer-- shouldn't you make the most of this drop in the ocean? If you're not going to accept Christ, you should at least snort some slope and diddle yourself into ecstatic oblivion.
                    Acts 13:8 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

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                    • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                      Originally posted by Mister Brasil View Post
                      Great. A religion that exhorts you to be completely apathetic. A religion full of followers so emasculated that they're not supposed to kill spiders in their bathtubs. Do you think Buddhists stop wearing leather? No, they just ostracize the leatherworkers.

                      I can see how you might be tempted-- eternity must seem like a mighty long time to you; you must be eager to escape it. I'm sure you'd rather believe that the pain in your life isn't your fault, that some far-removed, barely-you soul is to blame for the ways you've screwed up your life.

                      If there's one thing that drives me crazy, it's a self-denying sinner. You've got the rest of eternity to suffer-- shouldn't you make the most of this drop in the ocean? If you're not going to accept Christ, you should at least snort some slope and diddle yourself into ecstatic oblivion.
                      Buddhism is better then being a "true Christian"

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                      • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                        Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
                        Buddhism is better then being a "true Christian"
                        Let's ignore True Christianity for right now; I know how you feel about it.

                        What about Buddhism appeals to you?

                        I think it's mystical hogwash that appeals to people who aren't strong enough to be Christians but are too weak to face the righteous scorn that atheists deserve. It's like the Apple of religions-- "Think different!", drive a VW bug, read some Kerouac. Heck, you don't even have to read the book, just make sure that people in the coffee shop can see the cover. It's all just a vain and shallow facade.

                        What does Buddhism even mean to you? Have you studied it at all? Do you just think it would make an appealing addition to your wardrobe? "I love this scarf, it goes beautifully with my Buddhism."
                        Acts 13:8 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

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                        • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                          Originally posted by Mister Brasil View Post
                          Let's ignore True Christianity for right now; I know how you feel about it.

                          What about Buddhism appeals to you?

                          I think it's mystical hogwash that appeals to people who aren't strong enough to be Christians but are too weak to face the righteous scorn that atheists deserve. It's like the Apple of religions-- "Think different!", drive a VW bug, read some Kerouac. Heck, you don't even have to read the book, just make sure that people in the coffee shop can see the cover. It's all just a vain and shallow facade.

                          What does Buddhism even mean to you? Have you studied it at all? Do you just think it would make an appealing addition to your wardrobe? "I love this scarf, it goes beautifully with my Buddhism."
                          Its based on a smiler set of beliefs at my own. Yes I have studied at a little bit. Plus unlike Christianity it accepts any one who wants to be one, homosexuals, atheists, goths what name you

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                          • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                            Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
                            Its based on a smiler set of beliefs at my own.
                            Which beliefs are those? That it's admirable to be as apathetic as possible? You care about things for a reason. Suffering may be an inevitable consequence, but life is about more than just avoiding suffering.

                            What if True Buddhists™ led the Allies during WWII? Would they say to the victims of the holocaust, "Sorry, life is suffering. Try not to care so much and it'll be easier"?
                            Acts 13:8 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

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                            • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                              Originally posted by Mister Brasil View Post
                              Which beliefs are those? That it's admirable to be as apathetic as possible? You care about things for a reason. Suffering may be an inevitable consequence, but life is about more than just avoiding suffering.

                              What if True Buddhists™ led the Allies during WWII? Would they say to the victims of the holocaust, "Sorry, life is suffering. Try not to care so much and it'll be easier."
                              you know what PHUCK LIFE I AM JUST GOING TO GO KILL MYSELF THIS WORLD MAKES NO PHUCKING SENCE ANY MORE GOOD BY TO THOSE I LOVE AND HATE

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                              • Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

                                Originally posted by bloodredkisses View Post
                                you know what PHUCK LIFE I AM JUST GOING TO GO KILL MYSELF THIS WORLD MAKES NO PHUCKING SENCE ANY MORE GOOD BY TO THOSE I LOVE AND HATE
                                Don't kill yourself. Bad karma. Those people that jumped from the WTC were probably reborn as Clostridium difficile.
                                Acts 13:8 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

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