[TheMistressLiar]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

You claim to be a Christian? You can't even spell the word!

Every goth I've ever known has either been some kind of demon worshipper, satanist, atheistic monkey worshipper satanist, or some other kind of minion of satan.

There ain't no such thing as a Christian goth. That term is an oxymor on!

Bullshit.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Now as a Christian I take serious offence to this.

My father used to be a pastor.

I consider myself to be a Victoriandustrial Gothic Lolita.

My father has no problem with this.

And I seriously hope that you indeed all come to your senses.

Call yourself whatever you like, slut. It is not possible to be a Christian and a goth at the same time. God hates you. Glory!!

[VictoryOS]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Now as a Christian I take serious offence to this.

Bulls**t.

Do you kiss Baby Jesus with that mouth?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

My father used to be a pastor.

Used to be. I'm sure he quit in shame, or was driven out by an outraged congregation. I know if one of our pastors had a child that rejected Christ and became a gothic, the tar and feathers would be ready pretty darned quick.

[Typical.in.Theory]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I am afraid that some (and by some, I mean...all) or your facts are purely fiction...

"1-Frequently wears black clothing."
My pastor wears a black suit almost everyday, is he a goth?
"2-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts."
I have friends at church that wear band shirts, but they are all Christian bands (Jars of Clay, Reliant K, Newsboys, etc)
"3-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nail polish [sic]."
I happen to know plenty of those within the 'Gothic subculture' that never wear make up. AND I know those silly preppy girls that wear plenty of that mud on the face
"4-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other
Satanic worshiping [sic] symbols."
Hmmm... Yeah... a 'Goth' is basically the same as a member of the 'Indie' subculture, where they essentially refuse to associate themselves with the typical person (typical people hate, have sex out of wed, and various other "heathen" activities)
"5-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos"
Just curious, any women, do you have your ears pierced?
"6-Listens to Gothic [sic] or any other anti-social genres of music."
Same goes along with #4, and do you know what anti-social is? Is it not technically true that Jesus was anti-social? Due to the fact that he behaved against the Roman government (passively, but the point still stands).
"7-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically." I like to wear a light brown morning coat with torn jeans and amusingly coloured shirts. Now, that seems rather eccentric, but that has nothing to do with "Goth" or Satanism.
"8-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the
Bible, prayer, church or sports."
The Bible is not an activity, reading it is an activity. And sports? Really? I strongly dislike sports, I find them to be a barbaric form of showing off. But I guess I am going to Hell by your logic... Blast... if only I was a narrow-minded stereotypical man...
"9-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult,
witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan."
See criticism of #4
"10-Takes drugs.
11-Drinks alcohol."
Hm... you clumped up SO many people it isn't even funny, but I guess that the simple minded have a tendency to look at everyone that is against them as one group of "fools".
"12-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
13-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation.
(This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God
and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local
mental health center.)"
While you have good advice for those that do partake in these activities, it just so happens that you clump up a lot of different people into one (incorrect) stereotype.
"14-Complains of boredom."
Come on... every teenager does that, you can't say that this means that they are under your definition of "goth".
"15-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
16-Is excessively awake during the night."
There happens to be a certain little mental issue that causes this (actually, several), not a subculture...
"17-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light."
I dislike light, it gives me a headache, my eyes are extremely sensitive. My optometrist requires me to wear sunglasses outside (though I tend not to...)
"18-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
19-Spends large amounts of time alone."
Typical teenager stuff, could also denote studying, or sleeping, or even using the restroom in any way shape or form.
"20-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child
may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)"
Shhhh! Mom! I am trying to pray to my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ!
"21-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an
adult."
This could also mean that your chils is embarrassed with you! You see, that is very typical between the ages of 13-21, but don't worry it will pass, your children will be begging to be with you after that.
"22-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders
are but a few examples of this.
23-Misbehaves at school.
24-Misbehaves at home."
T-E-E-N-A-G-E-R-S!
"25-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of
this."
It's called 'Count Chocula" and it is delicious, it is kind of like a cheap knock-off of Cocoa Puffs.
"26-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires
believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and
should be stopped immediately.)"
??? Really? If your kid is drinking blood, you should be worried about the diseases that your teenager may contract. (Assuming that you actually love them of course).
"27-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
(Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)"
zOMG! Rugrats is SO Goth!
"28-Plays videos games that contains violence or are of a role-playing
nature."
See #4
"29-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the
computer."
Programmers? Computer geeks? Graphic designers? Mathematicians? You know computers are our future right? And I am pretty sure that the person who made this website spent a long time developing the web page...
I am going to skip over the sexual parts, it is too ridiculous...


"35-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism,
Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism."
Philosophy is not a cult... it is way too broad and general for one, and secondly it is just a way to understand that which is not covered in religions. And you saying that other religions are "cults" (like Hinduism and Buddhism) I find very rude to followers of that particular faith.
"36-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various
phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
37-Claims to be a goth."
Typically, those who call themselves goth, are not goth. It is just like the indie counterculture and the hipster counterculture.


You obviously have researched at all, or got your information from biased internet sources.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

"1-Frequently wears black clothing."
My pastor wears a black suit almost everyday, is he a goth?


"5-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos"
Just curious, any women, do you have your ears pierced?

There's a lot of blah blah blah there, yes, all those people are goths as clearly stated by the list and your whining won't change any of it, but I managed to dig out two direct questions and will answer them.
Yes, your false "pastor" is obviously a goth.

No, we do not pierce our ears. There's a little thing called the Bible that you would have heard of if you had a real pastor who cared more about spreading God's Word than being "hip" and "groovy" with today's gothic youth.

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array

[Miss Maisie]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Now as a Christian I take serious offence to this.

You don't act like no Christian.

My father used to be a pastor.

No longer because his conduct and satanic daughter ain't welcome at church?

I consider myself to be a Victoriandustrial Gothic Lolita.

In other words, a colorblind badly dressing child-harlot with a father-figure fetish and bad taste in music?

My father has no problem with this.

I'll bet he don't.....

And I seriously hope that you indeed all come to your senses.

Since when is caring about people's souls outside the realm of common sense?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I consider myself to be a Victoriandustrial Gothic Lolita.

How many hours a day do you spend working in a factory?


Also, how many hours a night do you spend working the streets?

[BloodyBore]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I should tell you are much mistaken about gothic subculture.

This is a quote from wikipedia and you can check it yourself if you don't believe:

The gothic fascination with the macabre has raised public concerns regarding the well-being of goths. The mass media has made reports that have influenced the public view that goths or people associated with the subculture, are malicious; however this is disputed and the Goth subculture is often described as non-violent.[9]

Goths follow all kinds of religions. Some are satanists, paganists, etc and there's some who are christians. Yes, really christians.
And goths aren't evil. Gothic individuals promote tolerance and non-violence and the same is not applied to you, for what I've read.


Oh and ban me if you want but this is the truth.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I should tell you are much mistaken about gothic subculture.

This is a quote from wikipedia and you can check it yourself if you don't believe:

The gothic fascination with the macabre has raised public concerns regarding the well-being of goths. The mass media has made reports that have influenced the public view that goths or people associated with the subculture, are malicious; however this is disputed and the Goth subculture is often described as non-violent.[9]

Goths follow all kinds of religions. Some are satanists, paganists, etc and there's some who are christians. Yes, really christians.
And goths aren't evil. Gothic individuals promote tolerance and non-violence and the same is not applied to you, for what I've read.


Oh and ban me if you want but this is the truth.

There is no such thing as a Christian goth. The practise of gothism is repugnant to Jesus and all True Christians™. All goths are of satan, end of story. Links to the liberal website "wiccanpedia" does not impress us. Any fool can waltz in there and alter information. we go by the Holy Bible.

God gave us that.

You will not be banned if you speak with respect, demon scum.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Goths follow all kinds of religions. Some are satanists, paganists, etc and there's some who are [claiming to be] christians. Yes, really [claiming to be] christians.
And goths aren't evil.

You can't have it both ways. Either the first paragraph or the second is correct, but both can't be.

As for Wickedpedia, that's a notorious den of liberal lies. Either cite from Conservapedia or just admit it's your own misguided belief.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I should tell you are much mistaken about gothic subculture.

This is a quote from wikipedia and you can check it yourself if you don't believe:
The gothic fascination with the macabre has raised public concerns regarding the well-being of goths.

All that proves is that the goffs who edited that page are too dumb to know how to spell mascara.

And goths aren't evil. Gothic individuals promote tolerance and non-violence and the same is not applied to you, for what I've read.

For once, you're spot on. Goths do not apply the principles of tolerance and non-violence towards us.

[BloodyBore]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Goths won't be satanists just because you want them to be.
And wikipedia has sources. Anyone can write articles there but it will inform the reader in case of not being reliable.

@ Brother Temperance: First, the word "goff" doesn't exist.
Second, macabre has nothing to do with mascara.
And finally, goths are generally polite and tolerant with christians (and I still keep the claim that some are christians) but if you have an extremist prejudiced attitude towards this subculture you can't expect it to be happy about it.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Goths won't be satanists just because you want them to be.

We don't want them to be Satanists. Nothing would make us happier than if they converted to Christianity en masse. They are Satanists because they are followers of Satan. It's not complicated.

@ Brother Temperance: First, the word "goff" doesn't exist.

Yet more proof that all goff scum are liars.

And finally, goths are generally polite and tolerant with christians (and I still keep the claim that some are christians) but if you have an extremist prejudiced attitude towards this subculture you can't expect it to be happy about it.

They're goffs. No-one expects them to be happy about anything.

[BloodyBore]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Brother Temperance,
I'm going to reformulate my sentence: - Goths won't be all satanist just because you claim them to be.

And about the "goff". After all the bad remarks against wikipedia I wasn't expecting you to put a link to urban dictionary. Slang words are not official words. So "goff" continues inexistent.

And with "happy" I meant "satisfied". Because you think goths are not happy towards anything is thus excuse to be prejudious?